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 Speaking of prima donna coaches."GOIN' BROWN THE DRAIN& 
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Post Speaking of prima donna coaches."GOIN' BROWN THE DRAIN&
Since the messy Martz engagment breakoff I thought we could look at another messy Detroit divorce...and how we benefited...

Many people thought losing Larry Brown would kill the Pistons. They fell off the radar for basically any preseason championship predictions and barely a mention of even making it to the finals. Well...let's see how it is going thus far...

DET 38 6 - Flip Saunders
MIN 21 23 - Dwane Casey
N.Y. 14 30 - LB(pound for pound)

Thus HOF coaches do not quite equate to success...it all depends on the situation.
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Don't be sad Larry...youre not the only one who has had trouble commiting to Detroit...and you will not be the only one to regret it.
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GOIN' BROWN THE DRAIN - Peter Vecsey

New York Post wrote:
February 3, 2006 -- LARRY Brown's solution to every problem is change. We're talking marriage (switched wives three times), head coaching jobs (nine in the pros and two in college, excluding a two-week off-season shift at Davidson), players he has run off rosters (you do the math, I don't have that much time left), and whatever else might apply.
"I don't know if Larry's the guy you want in the trench with you," snipes a team executive. "When the goin' gets tough his M.O is to get goin' and you're usually the last to know. You look around and he's liable to have switched trenches and uniforms."

That's why it wasn't remotely surprising that Brown quit the Knicks midway through the third quarter of yet another butt kicking, this time by the exceptionally ordinary Lakers.

This is what the Knicks of James Dolan and Steve Mills and Isiah Thomas and Larry Brown are about these days: They quit when they're behind.

The Knicks have flushed their pride so far down the sinkhole they're not even faking energy or effort anymore. They care so little about content and consequences they've stopped trying to please their coach. When you've lost the last three games by a total of 67 points (not nearly as close as that combined degradation indicates) and nine out of ten you've not only quit on Brown, but the fans and each other.

It's almost impossible to claim the Knicks have quit playing defense during their stagger because there's no way of telling whether they were ever playing any to begin with.

On the other hand, it's easy to accuse Antonio Davis of quitting on the team in the last minute of OT in Chicago when he went walked into the stands to settle an argument, not a fight, between his woofing wife and a seated, seemingly sedated (at least in comparison to Kendra) fan. To compound that fracture Davis again quit on the team by staying with his wife and family during his five-game suspension instead than support the Knicks during that time when he was allowed to practice with the team.



And that's New York's co-captain (along with Stephon Marbury) and principal leader. Is it any wonder Jerome James quit on a team that gave him $29 million more than any other team was offering over five years by stuffing his face over the off season and not being in any kind of shape to play come training camp?

Two losses ago, after the Knicks got completely wasted by the Hawks in Atlanta, Brown charged his players with quitting. This past Wednesday Channing Frye, David Lee and Nate Robinson stiffed NBA Entertainment. The three rookies were committed to doing an interview in Secaucus, New Jersey but bailed.

Meanwhile, Knick fans are quitting on their team in gaggles. New York's sophisticated media, naturally, was the first to quit, both before and after the Knicks' six-game winning streak that incorporated some impressive triumphs over the Suns, Mavericks (ten straight victories since) and Cavaliers in Cleveland.

Aside from the fans and the fourth estate, now that I think about it, anyone associated with the Knicks who hasn't quit was either unceremoniously or covertly fired, or is about to be fired.

Considering all of the above, I'm shocked Brown (fined 20G for not leaving the floor in a timely fashion) didn't provoke referee Steve Javie into ejecting him much earlier Tuesday evening.

A sorry assortment of stragglers, it seems.

We do agree on one thing; the Knicks are a flawed franchise. Thirty losses in 44 games and a barnacle berth in the Atlantic Division sort of precludes any pretense of prosperity. Still, even as Brown's Quitters go north of the border tonight, taking on the Raptors in a battle of bottom-feeders, I submit their objectives are closer than they appear in the side-view mirror despite what Larry and the standings have to say about them.

Home Town Brown can talk all he wants about his team surrendering, but at 65 years, five months (Valentine's Day), his intolerance the team's inexperience (his best player are young and dumb) surely has something to do with that.

You don't have to be an NBA Insider to sense Brown's desperation to figure things out and get the Knicks turned around in a hurry. You don't have to be a student of the game to recognize the resulting pressure that puts on the players.

Brown, I'm sure feels he doesn't have time for the losing the wrong way, doesn't have time to put up with their repeated mistakes or lack of attention to instructions. Simple stuff like moving the ball four or five passes before shooting in order to make opponents work on defense more than 15 seconds of the shot clock and play help defense.

Clearly, Brown wants an established playmaker. He needs a veteran to sell his system to the youngbloods, the way Eric Snow did in Philly. That way Marbury can become solely a shooting guard.

I say do whatever's necessary to acquire one. The Jazz seem to find two or three new ones every season. How hard can it be? Recall Kenny Anderson from Europe, if need be.

Brown also craves Theo Ratliff. He needs a deterrent to clog the middle, someone to prosecute trespassers who get around Marbury, Jamal Crawford and Robinson. He needs his defense, blocked shots and leadership.

If Camp Cablevision is willing to absorb paying an excessive luxury tax for two more years after this one, I say, by all means, give Brown what he wants. The investment already is outlandish so why not try to get into the playoffs while you're at it?

Who knows, maybe snatch Ruben Patterson's perimeter defense, scoring and toughness while they're at it, even at the cost of Lee? Do at least the first half of that and Brown is guaranteed to coach his assets off if, for no other reason, than to make his input and imports look good.

Sources say the Blazers would do Ratliff for Lee and Penny or Davis. Or they'd do Ratliff and Ruben for Penny or Davis so they can get under the salary cap and have room to re-sign Joel Przybilla.

As currently constituted the rebuilding-on-the-run Knicks, it says here, are far better than their record. If ever a team called for stand-up, steadfast stewardship, it is the '05-'06 Knicks. Is Brown man enough for the job, or will he pull his usual get-up-and-go stunt?

Peter Vecsey


Anyways...maybe he is not a HOF...but I will welcome our next OC with open arms...

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He certainly could take Martz or LB...

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February 3rd, 2006, 4:25 pm
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hah didn't see this when i posted under the thomas fiasco, see that post for my feelings on the situation :D :D


February 3rd, 2006, 6:02 pm
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Brown had his work cut out for him in NY. The salary cap situation there makes improvment there a slow process.

Still, I cannot help but fear that this offense edge will hurt the pistons in the playoffs. They are not as tough defensively. Playoff basketball is a little bit different. Flip's teams often did well in the regular season. There is no way to criticize the team now, but you have to wonder if they will be as good in the playoffs.

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February 3rd, 2006, 7:16 pm
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His team makes less and less sense.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=A ... &type=lgns

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February 8th, 2006, 1:37 pm
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Yorick wrote:


Rose's salary cap is probably too high for us to have grabbed him, but I would have loved to have seen him here backing up Chauncy. Chauncy is banged up right now, and Rose would have been a great addition IMO. I know Lindsey is coming back, but IMO Rose has better ball handling ability, better vision, better offense, a better shot, and he's a better passer... I'd take all that for a slight drop off in defense...

That makes Nate Robinson sort of intersting, but I think we need someone a bit older and more established coming off of the bench...


February 8th, 2006, 3:36 pm
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