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 OSU, Tressel & Pryor - NCAA Violations: Fact or Fiction? 
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and that's not including the top notch coaching and training received during those 4 years.




This is the most annoying part of Steens argument to me. OSU is paying a weight trainer, medical staff, doctors, coaches, assistant coaches, position coaches, etc. Not to mention publicists, P.R. representatives, and providing a media outlet... and the school enters all of their students (figuratively) in a lottery to be a millionaire... And this all comes into play in spite of the fact that these kids would likely do it for their own egos for FREE, just to play the competitive sport that they love. Remember, the soccer team, swimming team, track team, etc. all make the same sacrifices, if not more, and have little to nothing to gain out of the end-game of it all...

These kids are far from being taken advantage of. Ask Matt Stafford or Sam Bradford, or even James Laurenitus for that matter, if they were taken advantage of. They're all millionaires at this point. The school made $20-30 million per year and created millionaires out of 20-30% of the graduating (or leaving cast). Seems fair to me...


Again, they earned more during their time there than they got paid. For every Matthew Stafford there is a Troy Smith who earned the university millions of dollars and got drafted in the 5th round.

Yes, the university invest a lot of money and they deserve their more than fair share. But we are only talking about 20-30k a year! I got more of an opportunity to make money than many football players and I brought zero dollars to the university.

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January 3rd, 2011, 4:12 pm
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It's not about how good they have it, I would have loved the same as well. It is about what they have earned...

Well, IF they follow all the rules, then they have EARNED a free college education :wink:

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January 3rd, 2011, 4:51 pm
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And 50 or more years ago when the NCAA wasn't a development league that made lots of sense as payment.

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January 3rd, 2011, 5:07 pm
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Again, they earned more during their time there than they got paid. For every Matthew Stafford there is a Troy Smith who earned the university millions of dollars and got drafted in the 5th round.

Yes, the university invest a lot of money and they deserve their more than fair share. But we are only talking about 20-30k a year! I got more of an opportunity to make money than many football players and I brought zero dollars to the university.


Steen, you must not know many football players, or ex-football players. The fraternity is deep, and these guys, even the 2nd and 3rd string players, get jobs that aren't open to everyone. On top of that, Troy Smith, that guy that earned the U millions and (only) got drafted in the 5th round, IS A MILLIONAIRE, or has at least earned more than a million dollars based upon the training that he received at OSU.


I think we need to start another thread that is titled "OSU and free used cars..."... I called it when that putz was being paraded around and having his picture taken in Corvettes that he was going to be a problem child... I can't even say "I told you so" because it was painfully obvious... He is exactly what I thought he was...


January 3rd, 2011, 6:14 pm
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Smith wasn't much of a problem child at OSU, though he had a bit of a big head for sure. But he earned MORE than what he has received so far. He has made others way more money than his fair share. Has he made a lot of money? Sure, but while he was making others tens of millions a year he was eating at the school cafeteria. Again, millions of college students live the life every day, I did it as well. But these players are bigger contributers to the schools than the professors for goodness sakes... again... people should get something representative of what they have earned. BIG times rookies bringing in millions in revenue to a team because of new jersey sales and peaked interest should get paid as such. Even if they haven't played a snap, their name recognition alone banks the teams lots of extra income. The players should be able to earn a small amount of money while in college... why shouldn't they?

WJB, you are starting to sound very socialistic... it's weirding me out.

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January 3rd, 2011, 6:26 pm
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How about that game last night Steen? Talk about a nail-biter. GO BUCKS!


January 5th, 2011, 8:45 am
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See the bowl game thread... I was sweating...

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January 5th, 2011, 10:19 am
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Seems as if Tressel makes a huge impact in these young kids minds:

http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/ ... p_per.html

"I don't think I'm really ready for the NFL," Pryor said. "I think I've got a lot of learning and better decision-making I have to make on and off the field.
"And I think even off the field, I think I need to grow up a little bit more and mature as well in that standpoint. So I just have a lot of growing up to do. And we'll take steps. I talked to Coach Tressel and we have a plan going down and I have to follow it exactly how he put it."

What coach works with kids on that level so well? I know some here think the only honorable thing to do for such a minor infraction is to sit them for the bowl game, but that is silly.

Tressel is a class act and shows it with how he acts with the players. There was question to whether or not Pryor was going to come back and it seems pretty sure that he will, all because of Tressel's influence. He made all of them come back if they wanted to play the bowl game and that is an awesome and fair compromise to make sure all get their fair punishment. he's teaching them to be men... not just football players.

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January 5th, 2011, 9:02 pm
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steensn wrote:
Seems as if Tressel makes a huge impact in these young kids minds:

http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/ ... p_per.html

"I don't think I'm really ready for the NFL," Pryor said. "I think I've got a lot of learning and better decision-making I have to make on and off the field.
"And I think even off the field, I think I need to grow up a little bit more and mature as well in that standpoint. So I just have a lot of growing up to do. And we'll take steps. I talked to Coach Tressel and we have a plan going down and I have to follow it exactly how he put it."

What coach works with kids on that level so well? I know some here think the only honorable thing to do for such a minor infraction is to sit them for the bowl game, but that is silly.

Tressel is a class act and shows it with how he acts with the players. There was question to whether or not Pryor was going to come back and it seems pretty sure that he will, all because of Tressel's influence. He made all of them come back if they wanted to play the bowl game and that is an awesome and fair compromise to make sure all get their fair punishment. he's teaching them to be men... not just football players.



What thats total BS...they should be getting PAID to learn that lesson right Steens?? :wink:

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January 6th, 2011, 9:49 am
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oh cummon you know I had to poke a lil fun! :wink:

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January 6th, 2011, 6:10 pm
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You? Never!!!

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January 6th, 2011, 6:11 pm
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Note that all of the suspended OSU players ARE coming back for next season to face their suspension. Seems that JT has a pretty good handle on these kids learning to be men.

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January 16th, 2011, 5:37 pm
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Latest poll on student athletes time spent on a sport compared to what is allowed:

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NCAA rules say coaches can take only 20 hours a week of their players' time, regardless of the sport, and recent sanctions against Michigan's football program underscore that. The Wolverines self-imposed reductions in practice time and the NCAA placed them on probation through November 2013 for practice and training violations.

In its survey, conducted last year and released during the NCAA's annual convention here, the association asked players to count both required and voluntary activities.

• Football players said they spent an average of 43.3 hours on their sport — playing games, practicing, training and in the training room — compared with 38 hours on academics.

• Division I baseball players said they spent a little more than 42 hours on their sport and a little less than 32 on academics. In men's basketball, it was slightly more than 39 hours on their sport vs. 37-plus on academics.

• Women's basketball was only a little less time-intensive, its players saying they spent more than 37½ hours a week on their game and not quite 39 on academics.

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Sounds like everybody should be on probation.

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