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When do they award comp picks and do the lions have any coming this year?

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February 28th, 2008, 4:58 pm
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The comp picks are normally announced at the end of March. As for the Lions, I think they were fairly even in terms of free agents lost and gained, so they probably won't get any. If they do, it would more than likely be a 6th or 7th rounder.

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February 28th, 2008, 7:02 pm
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So what are the conditions for decding what you get and what you lost? Can you point me in direction for the nfl rules on this Sly? Like us losing three 1st round draft busts over past few years doesn't seem to mean squat. Is it conditional on them leaving in FA compared to us just dumping them for busting?

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February 29th, 2008, 10:51 am
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Bclion, unfortunately nobody completely understands how the system works. However, it only applies to free agents and not players that have been released. The NFL then values the players lost and/or gained by their contracts, playing time, etc.

If I have time, I'll try to figure out exactly where the Lions stand on this later.

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BC, I'm not completely sure about this since I might be forgetting about someone, but it looks even to me. The Lions' gains were Dewayne White, Shaun McDonald, T.J. Duckett, Travis Fisher, and Troy Walters. Their losses were Terrence Holt, Jon McGraw, Cory Schlesinger, Rick DeMulling, and Jamar Fletcher. To top it off, Sledge and DeMulling were cut before the season, so I don't know if they count.

On the bright side, it appears that several current Lion FAs are going to get signed by other teams this year. JT O'Sullivan already has, while Duckett, Bailey, Bell, Corey Smith, and Woody seem to have visits lined up. In addition, I could see players like Fisher, Lehman, and Foster signing elsewhere. If that's the case, then the Lions could get multiple late comp picks next season. Not that they will do any good with Millen drafting, but just saying.

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It still looks like the Lions won't be getting any comp picks this year, but 2009 is looking promising. The only FA that they've signed who counts is Gaines. Since Dwight Smith was released, he doesn't factor into the calculation.

On the other hand, the Lions have lost O'Sullivan, Woody, Duckett, and Lehman up to this point. That would result in three comp picks next year, with Woody being worth a 4th or a 5th. I'll keep an eye on this over the next few months.

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Darby counts against the Lions' 2009 comp picks, but he is offset by the loss of Bailey. Unfortunately, Kelly should count despite buying out his contract, so the Lions should be down to two comp picks now.

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I was bored this morning, so I did some research regarding whether the Lions will receive any comp picks next year. What I found is that it all depends upon whether J.T. O'Sullivan qualifies or not. Based upon his $645K salary, he does not, but that's where his playing time could come into play. Usually, if a player makes less than $750K, then he wouldn't count, but being a starting QB could bump him up to the 7th round range. If that happens, the Lions could be looking good.

Remember that players that have been released, restricted free agents, and traded players do not count toward this formula. Also, they have to be signed prior to the start of training camp to be considered. This eliminates guys like Kalimba Edwards, Kevin Jones, Dwight Smith, Kalvin Pearson, and Leigh Bodden. This leaves four players lost (Woody, Bailey, Duckett, and O'Sullivan) and four players gained (Kelly, Gaines, Darby, and Gardner). Fortunately, Gardner doesn't qualify, so he's out. Therefore, the key is O'Sullivan who would make it 4 lost vs. 3 gained.

Next, you have to determine what round compensation each player is worth. This is mostly based upon average yearly salary, but playing time and post seasons honors are also considered. Luckily for the Lions, a signed player can only cancel out an equal or lesser player lost (if the team has signed fewer players than it has lost). In this case, Kelly would equal Bailey (6th rd), Gaines would equal Duckett (6th rd), and Darby would equal O'Sullivan (7th rd)(if he qualifies). That leaves Damien Woody.

Woody signed a 5 year contract that averages $5M per season. That puts him at the 4th round level of compensation. So basically, if O'Sullivan qualifies based upon playing time, then the Lions should get a 4th round comp pick in the 2009 draft. If he does not, then they could get nothing. However, the NFL is required to give out 32 compensatory or supplemental picks each year, so the chance remains that they could pick up one at the end of the 7th round anyways.

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Good info Sly. Now, when will the NFL start to hand out "Mercy" picks for teams as bad as the Lions??

I think a comp pick at the end of the third, and another at the end of the fourth could be good.

Now that Matt "Moron" Millen is gone, we could get some decent value out of those rounds.


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I thought they did away with Comp picks??? :confused:

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TheRealWags wrote:
I thought they did away with Comp picks??? :confused:


You need to stop reading football websites after you've secured your Beer Goggles to your head. Comp picks weren't done away with in the last CBA.


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slybri19 wrote:

Next, you have to determine what round compensation each player is worth. This is mostly based upon average yearly salary, but playing time and post seasons honors are also considered. Luckily for the Lions, a signed player can only cancel out an equal or lesser player lost (if the team has signed fewer players than it has lost). In this case, Kelly would equal Bailey (6th rd), Gaines would equal Duckett (6th rd), and Darby would equal O'Sullivan (7th rd)(if he qualifies). That leaves Damien Woody.


After reading this paragraph, my brain exploded. I'm glad you understand this stuff--I'm lost! :o


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That would be great to get a comp. 4th round pick considering we already traded our original 4th away. Man I can't wait to see who the new GM is so I can either be happy or really pissed about all these extra picks. A 4th rounder (even though it will be late and basically a 5th) could be a backup lineman or corner that could grow into a starter.


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inheritedlionsfan wrote:
That would be great to get a comp. 4th round pick considering we already traded our original 4th away. Man I can't wait to see who the new GM is so I can either be happy or really pissed about all these extra picks. A 4th rounder (even though it will be late and basically a 5th) could be a backup lineman or corner that could grow into a starter.


Or another shot at a Returner/5th WR.


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DJ-B wrote:
inheritedlionsfan wrote:
That would be great to get a comp. 4th round pick considering we already traded our original 4th away. Man I can't wait to see who the new GM is so I can either be happy or really pissed about all these extra picks. A 4th rounder (even though it will be late and basically a 5th) could be a backup lineman or corner that could grow into a starter.


Or another shot at a Returner/5th WR.


Oh yes! Let's pick another one whose 40 times were done with an hourglass.


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