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Post Your the Lions GM: Make the moves
Post what you would do with the Lions from head coaching to free agency and the draft.

Head Coach Start off with my head coach, Jim Harbaugh. I've just always liked him. He hasn't shown much success at Stanford but it's only his second year but I think once he gets all his recruits in Stanford will be a real good team. Anyways, I hope he never gets that chance. :lol:

Cutting dead weight
QB Daunte Culpepper
G Edwin Mulitalo
S Dwight Smith
TE Dan Campbel
QB Drew Henson
RB Brian Calhoun
CB Dexter Wynn
CB Chris Roberson
S Stuart Schweigert
S LaMarcus Hicks

RB Aveion Cason (He was okay as returner, not explosive or anything but nice to have depth there even if we draft a returner)
K Jason Hanson (Obviously needed resigned, he is our best player)
FB Moran Norris (I liked what he showed at the end of the season, I know we have Felton but never hurts having depth)
QB Dan Orlovsky (He's not the answer, but he's also not the problem)

Trade for Browns QB Derek Anderson. I know he had an off year, but bring him in to make it a Orlovsky-Stanton-Anderson QB battle for next year.

Free Agents
Karlos Dansby (I saw it on another site, and like it)
Mike Goff OG
Devery Henderson WR
Allen Rossum CB (Return specialist)
Other obvious ones like Asomugha and Hayneworth if avaliable.

1. Andre Smith OT Alabama
20. BJ Raji DT Boston College
33. Brandon Spikes ILB Florida
65. Michal Hamlin SS Clemson
85. Louis Delmas FS Western Michigan
129. Joe Burnett CB Central Florida
161. Vance Walker DT Georgia Tech
182. Brandon Tate WR North Carolina
193. A.Q Shipley C Penn State

QB Head into pre season with a 'no spots set' attitude. Have the 3 QB's battle each other, whoever shows the most in pre season and before then gets the job. Give each a start in the first 3 pre season games and evaluate from there.
HB Kevin Smith should have this pretty much locked up, I didn't add in a back in free agency but I will update it when I think of one I like.
FB Norris and Felton battle for starting job
WR Calvin Johnson, Brandon Tate, Devery Henderson, John Standeford, etc.
OL Hopefully Smith can start right away, with Goz at the other tackle. See if Shipley can be a starting center, insert Goff in a gaurd spot. See who fits best in the other gaurd.
DL Assuming we stay in a 4-3, DE Avril and White. DT Raji and Cory Redding.
Linebackers Sims and Dansby start on the outside, with Spikes on the inside.
Defensive Backs Leigh Bodden, Joe Burnett at CB. Hamlin and Delmas at safetys.
Special Teams Jason Hanson, Nick Harris as K and P. Rossum takes over KR and PR duties.

I know most won't agree with my ideas, but I just thought this would be a fun thread to do in the off season. It will give everyone a complete idea of what people think and see other sides of peoples plans.

BTW, I went based off this one mock draft. For the picks I went all players within 5 ahead or everyone behind. I know Spikes is a reach at 33, but he was there on this one so thats the reasoning behind that.

January 8th, 2009, 7:02 pm
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Alright I got bored and decided to try this out so here's my take.

Head Coach- Jim Schwartz, he seems to be the ideal fit for the team.

Cutting dead weight
QB Daunte Culpepper
G Edwin Mulitalo
S Dwight Smith
TE Dan Campbell
TE Casey Fitzsimmons
DT Chuck Darby
C Dominic Raiola (only if we sign Jason Brown)

K Jason Hanson (Obviously needed resigning)
FB Moran Norris (I liked what he showed at the end of the season, I know we have Felton but never hurts having depth)
WR- Shaun McDonald (He’s a solid guy who won’t break our bank.)
DT- Shaun Cody (isn’t a starter but a good rotation guy and he’s young)


Free Agents
Karlos Dansby (Not a huge name guy that we are going to have to break the bank on)
Jason Brown (C/G) (Our replacement to Raiola, he has played Guard for Balt for the past 2 seasons but is list as a center. At 6’3 320 he will be a huge size improvement over Raiola.
Bertrand Berry (Vet who can still get after the QB and is solid against the run)
OT- Marvel Smith- (He’s a big name guy from Pitt but back injures has cost him a lot of playing time, which could discount his price. If healthy he’s an elite tackle and could take the place of Backus.)
RB- Maurice Morris- (veteran back with good vision and speed, could help out the young guys)

1.Taylor Mays- There are a few guys I would take at 1 (Oher, Orakpo) but I like Mays the most out of them all. He’s built like a house (6’3 230) and hits like a freight train, with safeties becoming such a huge position on defense I feel we really need a difference maker.

20. Brandon Spikes LB Florida 6-3 245
We desperately need a play maker at MLB, Paris Lennon has shown good numbers tackle wise but he isn’t a true middle linebacker plus this move allows him to slide back to the strong side where he should be. Spikes is a solid tackler with 131 in 07 and 87 in 08, his pass coverage has vastly improved this season with 4 ints returning 2 of those for td’s.

33. Alphonso Smith CB Wake Forest 5-9 190
I have a gut feeling that we are not going to keep Booden around after the disappointing year he had last year especially for the 8 mil he is supposed to make. This leaves Travis Fisher and Keith Smith as our starting CB’s and I’m sure I’m not the only one who is terrified at that thought. Has decent size and great athletic ability, runs a 4.4 40. Tied with Dre Bly’s record for most career INT’s in the ACC with 20. Won’t be the strongest in run support, but is a premier pass defender.

65. Herman Johnson OG LSU 6-7 350
This may be a name that not a ton of people know,
Johnson is the first LSU offensive lineman to be named first team all-American since Alan Faneca in 1997. Started all 12 games this season and help a streak of 36 straight starts. I know it might be a stretch to think he will last to the third round, but he has had a little trouble with his weight which might scare some teams off, but I think our need at LG and his skills outweigh the risk. He has been compared to Dallas’ Leonard Davis, and would seem to be perfect for Mayhew who has stated he wants to get bigger and stronger.

85. Terrance Taylor DT Michigan 6-0 317
Being dead last in the league against the run giving up 172 YPG, it’s obvious we need a big run stopping DT with some quickness that could soften the blow of losing Shaun Rogers last season. Taylor is just the man for the job, throw out any stats for this season from any Michigan player it jus wouldn’t be fair to hold it against them. In 2007 however he started all 13 games, had 55 total tackles 28 solo, 8.5 TFL, 3.5 sacks a forced fumble
and 2 blocked kicks. Add him with the young players like Flu Cohen and Cody (if he stays) and we have a very good corps of young talent at DT.

129. Joe Burnett CB UCF 5-10 185
As I stated earlier CB is a huge need for us, and being from Orlando and a huge UCF fan I have seen a ton of this guy. Lacks size and top end speed to be an elite corner (4.5 40), super athletic though and a superb return man which we desperately need. He was named first team All Conference USA as a Corner and Punt Returner, he ranked 6th in nation in punt return. Would make a great return man and good nickel corner.

161. Aaron Kelly WR Clemson 6-5 190
Now that Roy has been traded away and we have been looking for a solid number 2 guy to complement CJ since, this guy would be perfect. A huge target that lacks blazing speed 4.54 40 he would be a nice possession guy opposite CJ. His stats were down this year 67 catches 722 yards and just 4 tds compared to 2007 with 88 catches 1081 yards and 11 tds, but that was his only productive year which is why he slips this far with far more consistent WR’s out there. Erratic QB play at Clemson could be a part of his stats going up and down also. 182.

6th 182 Keegan Herring RB Arizona State 5-10 195
We need a change of pace back to compliment Kevin Smith and his bruising big back style. Herring’s lacks the size to be an every down back and has had some injury concerns in college, but the guy runs a 4.43 40. He had 5 rushing TD’s in 07 with 3 of them being 70 yards or longer and could prove to be the true home run threat we need when Smith needs a rest.

7th193 Brandon Swain DE West Texas A&M 6-4 256
Level of competition obviously has to be an issue, but Brandon Swain put up amazing numbers in 2007, including 14 sacks, 24.5 tackles for loss and five forced fumbles. A very intriguing prospect to say the least.

QB Head into pre season with Kitna as you starter, see what we really have in Stanton and pray like hell we get McCoy in next years draft.
HB Kevin Smith should have this pretty much locked up, Keegan Herring is an excellent home run threat and hope Maurice Morris shares some tips with the young guys.
FB Norris and Felton battle for starting job
WR Calvin Johnson’s the centerpiece of the team, Mac will probably be the number 2 guy and let Furrey and Kelly battle for the slot.
OL Hopefully Smith proves he’s healthy and takes over for Backus at some point, with Goz at the other tackle. Brown takes over at center; insert Johnson at the LG spot. See who fits best in the other guard.
DL Terrence Taylor starts at DT alongside a healthy Redding and shores up our horrid run D Avril continues to progress and White stays healthy IAF either makes of breaks this season and Devries and Berry are solid rotation guys.
Linebackers Sims and Dansby start on the outside, with Spikes on the inside.
Defensive Backs Chris Gamble and Alphonso Smith start at CB, while Smith Burnett and Fisher battling for the nickel corner. Mays and Alexander start at safety while Bullocks and Schweigert become good back ups and great special teams players.
Special Teams Jason Hanson, Nick Harris as K and P. Burnett takes over KR and PR duties.

QB- Jon Kitna, Drew Stanton, Drew Henson
RB- Kevin Smith, Brian Calhoun, Keegan Herring (Rookie), Maurice Morris
FB- Jerome Felton, Moran Norris
WR- Calvin Johnson, Shaun McDonald, Mike Furrey, John Standeford, Aaron Kelly (rookie)
TE- Owen Daniels (FA) Michael Gaines, John Owens
OT- Jeff Backus, Gosder Cherilus, Marvel Smith
G- Herman Johnson (Rookie), Stephan Petterman, Manny Ramirez
C Jason Brown (FA)

DE- Cliff Avril, Dewayne White, IAF, Jared Devries, Bertrand Berry
DT- Corey Redding, Andre Fluellen, Landon Cohen, Terrence Taylor, Shaun Cody
LB- Ernie Sims, Karlos Dansby (FA), Brandon Spikes (Rookie), Jordon Dizon, Alex Lewis, Chris Graham (Called up from practice squad)
CB- Alphonso Smith (Rookie), Chris Gamble (FA) Keith Smith, Travis Fisher, Joe Burnett (Rookie), Dexter Wynn
S- Taylor Mays (Rookie), Daniel Bullocks, Gerald Alexander, Stuart Schweigert

K- Jason Hanson
P- Nick Harris
LS- Don Muhlbach

January 9th, 2009, 2:06 pm
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My first move would be to find a new team...

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January 9th, 2009, 6:49 pm
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Regarding the #1 pick- Begin discussions with the agents for the following players: (they don't have the luxury of picking a QB #1-sorry)

A. Curry
R. Maualuga
M. Jenkins
E. Monroe
B. Orakpo
T. Mays

The pick should be the player willing to accept the contract being offered for the #1 slot. (MUST be signed before the draft- no hold out) If they can't get a player signed before the draft they should simply not pick when it's their turn, send up the card and get the 5th or 6th player available and save some $$$. The Lions could shock teams behind them by not picking and make the early moments of the draft very interesting.

With the second first round pick target the following players if available in this order:

B.J. Raji- DT
Everette Brown- DE/OLB
James Laurinaitis- ILB
Max Unger- OT/G/C
Duke Robinson- G
Jermaine Gresham- TE If he's still there in the 2nd round it would be a steal and a no brainer.

To be continued

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January 10th, 2009, 11:57 am
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Coach: I hire Marty Schottenheimer or Brian Billick for their experience and past success. The initial goal is to build a strong OL to power a running game and of course to complement CJ. On defense we will address every position group but try to develop some of the existing young players by adding vets in FA.

Cuts/not re signed: Backus, Mulitalo, Dan Campbell, Kitna, R Johnson, Culpepper, Lennon, T Fisher, D Smith, Darby, Bodden (roster bonus better spent in FA), Devries (more valuable to someone elses team), ALex Lewis, Stanley Wilson, Paris Lennon


QB Byron Leftwich and Patrick Ramsey, both are fairly young w big arms. Leftwich with more potential but prob will get hurt.

RB: Lamont Jordan - need a vet behind K Smith. Consider Kevin Jones as well. Not looking to spend much here...

WR: Consider Bryant Johnson and Brandon Jones, probably end up with Jones.

OL: Richie Incognito to play guard. Try to get Pete Kendall as well. End up with only 1.

Defense is where we really hit up free agency

DE: Throw money at Peppers but knowing that it wont happen settle for Bertrand Berry, ARI

DT: Again shoot for the stars with Haynesworth but settle for Rocky Bernard SEA and investigate Tank Johnson and Marcus TUbbs (injuries) but neither sign

LB: Try hard for Channing Crowder to play the middle but end up with a solid addition of Leroy Hill for OLB and sign local John Digiorgio BUF if his knee is okay to add some blue collar toughness to the defense.

DB: They need help here badly, Kelvin Hayden IND to start and Corey Ivy BAL as a nickel guy. Could also go for Bryant McFadden from PIT.

#1 - really try to trade out of it here. I say I could pull it off stay in the top 6-7 picks and add a 2nd rounder...Somebody will believe in Stafford as I do but not for the Lions. (we know have 2 picks in each round)
#1 Malcolm Jenkins CB Ohio St (best at his position and take advantage of depth at OT and LB and luxury of multiple 1st day picks)
#1a Jason Smith OT Baylor
#2 Tyson Jackson DE LSU, should be a solid NFL starter
#2a Brandon Spilkes ILB Florida
#3 Shonn Greene RB Iowa (with other underclass runners coming out, we get a steal who could beat out Kevin Smith)
#3a Rashad Johnson S Alabama (we need a coverage S in the worst way)
#4 Anthony Parker OT Tennessee (becomes a starter at guard for us eventually)
#5 We add another LB
#7 KR/PR

Going into 2009 our team looks like this:
QB: Leftwich, Ramsey, Stanton - stanton gets a shot at some point w leftwich injuries and young OL better suited to run block.
RB: K Smith, S Greene, L Jordan - Greene becomes the workhorse ideally but Smith very valuable.
FB: Norris beats out Felton
WR: CJohnson, Brandon Jones, Shaun McDonald, Mike Furrey, Brandon Middleton beats out John Standeford
TE: Michael Gaines starts, John Owens blocks, and Fitzimmons is a decent receiving option
LT: Jason Smith wins the spot (Backus gone)
LG: Richie Incognito
C: Raiola
RG: Peterman (parker by the end of the season)
RT: Cherilus

DE: Dwayne White and Tyson Jackson eventually start.
IAF and Berry in the mix.
DT: Redding and Bernard start. Cody and Fluellen in the rotation.
Cliff Avril as a pass rush DE/OLB on pass downs but not a full time DE
OLB: Ernie Sims and Leroy Hill with Dizon and Ryan Nece in the mix
MLB: Brandon Spikes and Digiorgio
CB: Kelvin Hayden and Malcolm Jenkins start. Corey Ivy and Keith Smith in the nickel.
FS: Rashad Johnson beats out Alexander
SS: Bullocks over Pearson

End result we dont make the playoffs but our running game is much improved behind the OL and should be for years as we eventually replace Raiola too. Leftwich can get the ball to CJ until we take a QB in 2010 draft or go after someone like Charlie Whitehurst SD. Shonn Greene and Kevin Smith are a combo that should last 3-4 years as well. On defense there is still work to be done but its too early to give up on some of the youngsters Marinelli brought in on the DLINE. In the meantime the secondary is much improved with Hayden and Jenkins and Rashad Johnson is the ballhawking safety we need. Hopefully one of Bullocks and Alexander not only stay healthy but show some value. The linebacking corps has its starters for the next few seasons as well.

2010: Green Bay wins the division oer MIN with the improved Lions (7-9) taking 3rd place and dropping the Bears into the cellar after going 3-3 in the division.

January 10th, 2009, 7:42 pm
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Here's my ideal draft I posted in the Ideal Draft Thread. I wanted to add to it the other offseason moves for us to make so I can show my outlook on the total 2009 team, not just the rookies.

1(1) Michael Oher OT Some have him gone in the top 5 others have him available at our second pick. If we rate him as that low in the round then he would be a huge steal at 20. I think after the combine his stock is going to go back up to where it was last season.

1(20) Vontae Davis CB With the release of Bodden we need a ton of help in the secondary.

2(33) Duke Robinson G Big Ed is on the way out and Peterman is a FA who I don't want us to bring back, so we need to find a starting guard somewhere. Duke is the best in this class.

3(65) Victor "Macho" Harris CB According to Todd McShay Macho had a less than stellar Senior Bowl performance and has slipped into the late second/third round range. If he is here at the top of the third we need to add him to our depleted secondary. He can also be a factor in the return game. I've seen him play in several games and he is a ball hawk.

3(82) Ron Brace DT Fills a huge need along our D line. Hopefully will improve the play of the guys next to him.

As for picks 5(129), 6(161) and 6(179) I don't have specific prospects that I'm targeting yet. Probably throw in 3 players from this group: a change of pace RB, WR/KR, a safety and line depth.

Obviously, if the draft went like this we would need help at MLB and SSLB so we would have to target those positions in free agency. If this current regime is intent on keeping Backus, then we can start Oher off as LG before having him take over for Backus the following season. Once the staff has had to play with Backus at LT for a whole year, they will realize they need to move on without him.

With the drafting of two corners and a guard we can look at some of the role players/depth guys at those positions, as opposed to the starting caliber players I listed below.

This is also another post I made previously but combining my FA aspirations with my draft allows me to get a look at our team for 2009.

Here's who I would look at position by position:

QB: I want to re-sign Dan O first. I would take a look at Kyle Boller because I think he has a chance to have a decent NFL career with the right team.

RB: No big name that I think we realistically have a shot at. I would look at JJ Arrington as a change of pace RB/ return man. Also, Marcus Mason who had two excellent pre-season's with the Skins is just sitting on the Jets practice squad. He fights for extra yards and is pretty quick. Also a good returner and would come cheap.

FB: We should be set there with Felton.

WR: I'd re-sign McDonald and probably take a long look at Michael Clayton. He fell off after his rookie year but I think he could be a decent #2 WR. If we don't re-sign McD I'd also look at Nate Washington, Devery Henderson and Brandon Jones as slot guys.

TE: If Daniels was a UFA I would try to get him but as a RFA he will get a high tender and I wouldn't want to give up a first for a TE. Other than that nobody I'd look at.

OT: Apparently Backus is going to keep his LT spot and we have Gos at right tackle. Still we need some depth along the o-line. If we were replacing Backus, Barnes and Gross (if he isn't franchised) would have been worth a look. There aren't many young guys entering FA so for depth I'd look to the draft.

OG: Chris Kemoeatu is the only UFA I would look at.

C: Jason Brown, who can play OG and C is going to be a hot commodity this offseason. If we could bring him in, he can start here at guard and move to C when Dom's contract is up.

DE: I might re-sign our own Corey Smith. Peppers is going to want a huge contract and I doubt he'd come here. Plus he's 29 so I don't think he will produce at a high level for the life of his next contract. No thanks.
Suggs would be my target here because he would bring versatility to our defense. It looks like the Ravens will do what it takes to keep him but if he hits the market we have to push hard to get him.

DT: No to the head stomper. We could get Tank Johnson cheaper and still get all the problems. Honestly though if Tank can behave I'd look at him for a reasonable contract.

OLB: If Crowell was able to stay healthy he'd be a huge upgrade at SSLB. Boley would also be a upgrade and he doesn't have injury concerns that I'm aware of. Also, Karlos Dansby (if he doesn't get franchised) should be at the top of the list for OLB.

MLB: Too bad Vilma doesn't want to come here. Channing Crowder should be considered as he looks to be a young up and coming player. Bart Scott also needs to be given a look.

CB: Obviously Asmugha would be HUGE but I can't see Oakland letting him get away. Foxworth was a guy I wanted to trade for last year and I think would be a solid #2 corner for us. Bryant McFadden and Dunta Robinson would also be good here. Justin Miller as a dime corner/ return specialist was another guy I wanted us to get last year.

S: Dwan Landry was a low level pick who has been a steal for the Ravens. Unfortunately he is a RFA and will probably get a high tender. Sean Jones could lock down the SS spot. I also wouldn't be opposed to getting Josh Bullocks for a decent contract. Maybe having the brother back there will inspire them to play up to their potential.

Our Free Agents:
Cuts: (Bold are guys who have already been cut)Culpepper, Dwight Smith, Dan Campbell, maybe Kitna, Darby, Fisher, Henson, Chris Hannon, Adam Jennings, Chris Roberson, Travis Taylor, Dexter Wynn

Our FA: Re-sign: Hanson, McDonald, Orlovsky,

Let leave: Cason, Cody, Colbert, Cook, Foster, McCollum, Nece, Owens, Peterman

On the fence: Rudi Johnson, Paris Lennon, Moore, Norris, Corey Smith, Stanley Wilson

This would leave us with a roster looking something like this:

QB: Dan O, Stanton and either Kitna or a FA like Boller

RB: Kevin Smith, late pick rookie change of pace back and a FA or two (JJ Arrington?)

FB: Felton

WR: CJ, Standeford, McD, FA(Clayton) late round pick

TE: Gaines, Fitz (this position needs to be addressed somewhere I just don’t see a FA that we should target and if the draft falls as I have it we won’t be landing a rookie either)

LT: Backus, Oher
LG: Oher, backup level free agent

If we do dump Backus, Oher will start at LT and we will need to sign a starting caliber guard. My top choice would be Jason Brown of the Ravens. We can play him at guard a season or two until we are ready to dump Raiola and then Brown can move to center.

C: Raiola
RG: Duke Robinson, Manny Ramirez
RT: Gos

LDE: Dewayne White, Jared DeVries
DT: Cory Redding, Andre Fluellen
DT: Ron Brace, Landon Cohen
RDE: Cliff Avril, White, maybe Corey Smith if we re-sign him

WLB: Sims, Cannon
MLB: (Scott or Crowder) we will need a backup so maybe re-sign Lennon (ugh)
SSLB: (Michael Boley or Angelo Crowell), Dizon, Alex Lewis

CB: Vontae Davis, Keith Smith, Ramzee Robinson
CB: (Dominique Foxworth), Victor Harris
FS: Daniel Bullocks, maybe late round pick
SS: (Sean Jones), Gerald Alexander

Obviously this is a best case scenario where the draft falls our way and we can land a handful of quality starting free agents. I would put most of our free agent energy into the LB spot, specifically MLB because right now we don’t have anyone who can start there on the roster. CB is the next area of need and even if we sign one, we should draft two, to fill the other starting spot and provide depth.

February 9th, 2009, 7:28 pm
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Trade for Browns QB Derek Anderson

I'm just curious what you traded TO the Browns, since I see you still have all of the Lions day 1 draft picks. :wink:

February 9th, 2009, 10:43 pm
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phunnypharm wrote:
Trade for Browns QB Derek Anderson

I'm just curious what you traded TO the Browns, since I see you still have all of the Lions day 1 draft picks. :wink:

And I thought DA is a free agent this year. Is Cleveland gonna tag him?
I don't think they can afford to.

February 10th, 2009, 10:03 am
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BillySims wrote:
phunnypharm wrote:
Trade for Browns QB Derek Anderson

I'm just curious what you traded TO the Browns, since I see you still have all of the Lions day 1 draft picks. :wink:

And I thought DA is a free agent this year. Is Cleveland gonna tag him?
I don't think they can afford to.

He signed a 3 year contract last offseason.

February 10th, 2009, 1:16 pm
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