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I'm not going to be overly upset with any of the players being mentioned as the top pick. If it's Stafford, then that means the front office believes he's a franchise QB, and that's fine with me. I'm no expert, and they will have spent much more time studying him than I can.

Same goes for Curry, or Smith, or Monroe. People who get so upset and claim the KNOW (insert name here) is going to be a star/bust are full of crap. Nobody knows for sure. Just like Eagles fans went nuts when McNabb was drafted, they now look like idiots. Getting all pissed off about it on draft day is dumb. In 2-3 years, we'll know. Until then, especially in a year like this when there is no clear cut #1 player, I think all the outrage is misguided.

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Ideal draft IMO... I would like to get JL at 33, but I would love Michael Johnson or Alex Mack there...


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Murtyle wrote:
Ideal draft IMO... I would like to get JL at 33, but I could settle for Michael Johnson...

I don't get all the love for JL. Granted I haven't watched a ton of OSU games, but I've seen 5 or 6, and in all of them JL looked average. He didn't do anything that stood out to me. I know he had a lot of hype going into this year, but in my opinion it's not deserved. I wouldn't take him in the first. There are several better LBs available.

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Touchdown Jesus wrote:
Murtyle wrote:
Ideal draft IMO... I would like to get JL at 33, but I could settle for Michael Johnson...

I don't get all the love for JL. Granted I haven't watched a ton of OSU games, but I've seen 5 or 6, and in all of them JL looked average. He didn't do anything that stood out to me. I know he had a lot of hype going into this year, but in my opinion it's not deserved. I wouldn't take him in the first. There are several better LBs available.


I don't think he's great but he's better than anything we currently have at MLB... Actually, I would like to wait til next year and get Spikes... Kind of how others want to wait for Bradford, except there is a good chance we'll actually get Spikes next year...

BTW... I think you mis-read my post... I said at #33 (2nd Round)...


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JL is going to be a solid LB. He is def more of a get in the middle of the trenches throwback LB than Curry.

Watch his film and you can see a guy who makes his assignments, fills the gaps, does what he is supposed to. Curry certainly is a better physical specimen but JL knows football and is a smart player. That is what makes him promising is his nose for the ball. He is still physically gifted, but he is certainly overshadowed by a man beast with the last name Curry. The kid is worth a first rounder and will be a solid LB for the right team.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QDnHYzCazQ&feature=channel

I would rather though see us take Marcus Freeman in the third. I think he is going to be a REALLY solid LB in the NFL. He can cover great, one of the better coverage LB's in the draft and has an eye for the ball. For a value pick I think he is better than JL


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Either way you look at it, we need to get an ILB somewhere in this draft so it should probably be one of the first 3 picks seeing as we currently have nothing there.

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JL is going to be a solid LB. He is def more of a get in the middle of the trenches throwback LB than Curry.

Watch his film and you can see a guy who makes his assignments, fills the gaps, does what he is supposed to. Curry certainly is a better physical specimen but JL knows football and is a smart player. That is what makes him promising is his nose for the ball. He is still physically gifted, but he is certainly overshadowed by a man beast with the last name Curry. The kid is worth a first rounder and will be a solid LB for the right team.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QDnHYzCazQ&feature=channel

I would rather though see us take Marcus Freeman in the third. I think he is going to be a REALLY solid LB in the NFL. He can cover great, one of the better coverage LB's in the draft and has an eye for the ball. For a value pick I think he is better than JL


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBMabHxe7kc&NR=1

It's not that I don't think JL will be a solid player. I think he will be. He'll probably be solid, but unspectacular. Not an elite player. And to take a LB in the first round, he better be elite. There is a part of me that thinks he could be another Spielman, but I tend to think that's more wishful thinking than it is based in reality. We shall see. I wouldn't be upset by the pick. It would all depend who else was there.

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James Laurinaitis is simply overrated. That's doesn't mean he's a bad player. He's just touted too high based on his laurels as a junior. Anyone who watched games, know, he may be quick to diagnose plays, but he's just not fast enough to get there. The combine and pro day reflected that. He's just not athletically gifted enough to be a star linebacker in the NFL.

For that I have him as a third round linebacker who would be perfect at our 65th pick as he is the 65th player on my big board for now. If teams believe the hype like all the scouts would have you believe then he's going to be long gone before that.

The anti-Laurinaitis is Gerald McRath. I can't figure out for the life of me why this guy isn't flying up draft boards. He's a workout phenom, with spectacular production to boot. He did play in the CUSA, but with such an amazing resume, you'd think he'd be a bubble first rounder.

Take a look at these measureables and production and tell me it's not impressive.

nfldraftscout wrote:
Combine Invite: Yes
Height: 6017
Weight: 231
40 Yrd Dash: 4.49
20 Yrd Dash: 2.62
10 Yrd Dash: 1.48
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 19 (21 at pro day)
Vertical Jump: 34
Broad Jump: 10'03"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.35
3-Cone Drill: 7.24

Those outside Conference USA might be surprised how high McRath, only a junior, ranks among leaders in tackles over his career. McRath, who earned his second consecutive first-team All-Conference USA plaque in 2008, finished with 137 tackles (78 solo) during his junior season and has 386 tackles, 32 1/2 tackles for loss and eight sacks in his career. Voted the 2007 Conference USA Defensive Player of the Year as a sophomore, McRath's production can't be denied. But scouts are worried how he'll hold up at the next level due to his marginal size. A fast 40 time could ease scouts concerns, who feel that McRath is best suited for the weak side.


I think he's actually the tallest ILB and can add some muscular weight without losing his blazing speed. The other knock is that he doesn't take on blocks, but with his speed he can afford to try sidestepping them. At any rate, I don't think the knocks are enough to think he's not at least 2nd round material or a bubble 1st rounder (especially if Laurinaitis is considered one).

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steensn wrote:
JL is going to be a solid LB. He is def more of a get in the middle of the trenches throwback LB than Curry.

Watch his film and you can see a guy who makes his assignments, fills the gaps, does what he is supposed to. Curry certainly is a better physical specimen but JL knows football and is a smart player. That is what makes him promising is his nose for the ball. He is still physically gifted, but he is certainly overshadowed by a man beast with the last name Curry. The kid is worth a first rounder and will be a solid LB for the right team.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QDnHYzCazQ&feature=channel

I would rather though see us take Marcus Freeman in the third. I think he is going to be a REALLY solid LB in the NFL. He can cover great, one of the better coverage LB's in the draft and has an eye for the ball. For a value pick I think he is better than JL


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBMabHxe7kc&NR=1


If you can keep JL clean he is a fine LB... My problem with him is when a lead blocker takes him on, he usually gets driven back 5 yards before he disengages and makes the tackle... He has no anchor... We need someone like Maulaluga who will blow the lead blocker up then make the tackle almost immediately... Unfortunately I don't see him making it to #20...


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I have been scouring the internet looking at every mock draft that I could find, as I have neither the time or the inclination to do 6 or 7 rounds for my self :oops: .

I have found one that I like more than most. I do have some reservations about this mock.

I found it by going to the "HailRedskins.com". Their database has about a hundred different mocks.

The one that peaked my intrest the most is "Footballexpert.com"

The Lions' picks are as follows:

#1 1a Aaron Curry LB WakeForest
#20 1b Brandon Pettigrew TE Oaklahoma
#33 2 Duke Robinson OG Oaklahoma
#65 3a Troy Kropog OT/OG Tulane
#82 3b Ricky Jean Francois DT LSU

After all of this, these players were either still on the board or picked after one of our pick.

Still on the board after our 3b pick:
Victor Harris CB Va. Tech.

Picked after one of our picks:

Mick Mickens CB Cincy @ 77
Jarius Bryd CB/FS Oregon @ 69
Pat White QB/WR Virginia @ 66

I don't know much about Kropog or Ricky Jean but I actually like the mock.

Picks like could leave us looking for QB,DE and DB next year.

Thoughts?


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Murtyle wrote:
steensn wrote:
JL is going to be a solid LB. He is def more of a get in the middle of the trenches throwback LB than Curry.

Watch his film and you can see a guy who makes his assignments, fills the gaps, does what he is supposed to. Curry certainly is a better physical specimen but JL knows football and is a smart player. That is what makes him promising is his nose for the ball. He is still physically gifted, but he is certainly overshadowed by a man beast with the last name Curry. The kid is worth a first rounder and will be a solid LB for the right team.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QDnHYzCazQ&feature=channel

I would rather though see us take Marcus Freeman in the third. I think he is going to be a REALLY solid LB in the NFL. He can cover great, one of the better coverage LB's in the draft and has an eye for the ball. For a value pick I think he is better than JL


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBMabHxe7kc&NR=1


If you can keep JL clean he is a fine LB... My problem with him is when a lead blocker takes him on, he usually gets driven back 5 yards before he disengages and makes the tackle... He has no anchor... We need someone like Maulaluga who will blow the lead blocker up then make the tackle almost immediately... Unfortunately I don't see him making it to #20...


There are two type of guys that go into holes. Ones that fill the gap as assigned (JL) and ones that just go through the hole and try to make the big play (Maulaluga). In some systems you want a gap stuffer and others you want a play maker and if he makes a mistake you have the others to make the tackle. JL is going to be a linebacker that you can trust will be in position at the line of scrimmage to make a solid tackle. From gamefilm you can see he doesn't get pushed back, he stays with the blocker in the hole until the RB gets there making sure there is no hole. Maulaluga is going to hit that hole, go through the lead blocker (sometimes) and try to make a big play. If he fails then someone has to make the play. If your system is set up for that great, sounds good to me, but JL is a prototypical middle linebacker. He is not a Ray Lewis, he's a Speilman.

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If we can get a Speilman, I would be one of the happiest campers in the world. :D


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I know he's loathed by many... But he's like a train wreck; you don't want to look, but you feel like you have to.

Anyways, here's Kipers latest 4 round mock. T-minus 16 days to D-Day, gentlemen! I would probably draft different than this, but if they go this way, they at least would be following a plan (QB plus protection then all D). It would at least look like we were following a big plan.

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1. Detroit Lions (Record: 0-16)

Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia: Stafford is worthy of being the No. 1 overall pick, thanks to his overall skill set.


2. St. Louis Rams (2-14)

Jason Smith, OT, Baylor: The OT spot is strong at the top with Smith, a former tight end who is supremely athletic and exactly what you want in a left tackle: someone you can count on to protect the blind side of your quarterback.

3. Kansas City Chiefs (2-14)

Aaron Curry, OLB, Wake Forest: He's a complete OLB with great character and work ethic, which is why it was no surprise when he nailed his combine workout.

4. Seattle Seahawks (4-12)

Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia: Monroe is just a shade below Jason Smith in my opinion, but is a legit top-five pick.

5. Cleveland Browns (4-12)

Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech: The stress fracture in his left foot shouldn't affect his draft status. He's a big-time player who should have a Larry Fitzgerald-type career in the NFL.

6. Cincinnati Bengals (4-11-1)

Andre Smith, OT, Alabama: Smith has to manage his weight in order to remain on the left side. If he doesn't, he's a mauler at right tackle who could really assist the running game and do the job at that spot in pass protection. Hopefully, he'll maximize his skills in the NFL by paying more attention to detail. If he doesn't, you're looking at a major bust.

7. Oakland Raiders (5-11)

Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri: Maclin will have to adjust to an NFL offense, but I really like his big-play capability and the fact that he's much more explosive with the pads on than his 4.46-second 40-yard dash at the combine would lead you to believe.

8. Jacksonville Jaguars (5-11)

Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas: I view Orakpo as a 4-3 end with the ability to also play on his feet in a 3-4 as an attacking outside linebacker. He is super-athletic and incredibly strong, but there is concern about his durability.

9. Green Bay Packers (6-10)

B.J. Raji, DT, Boston College: Raji is the top defensive tackle in this draft.

10. San Francisco 49ers (7-9)

Aaron Maybin, DE, Penn State: Maybin is another combo-type who is explosive out of the blocks and relentless in his pursuit of the quarterback.

11. Buffalo Bills (7-9)

Robert Ayers, DE, Tennessee: Ayers enjoyed a solid season in the SEC and then was one of the standouts during Senior Bowl week. He ran the 40 in 4.80 at the combine, though, which could give some teams pause.

12. Denver Broncos (8-8)

Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU: Jackson would be ideal in a 3-4, thanks to his ability to shift inside in passing situations.

13. Washington Redskins (8-8)

Mark Sanchez, QB, USC: Sanchez definitely is one of the top five to eight players available in this draft, and getting him here would be a bit of a steal, because had he returned to USC for his senior season, he likely would have been the No. 1 overall pick.

14. New Orleans Saints (8-8)

Chris Wells, RB, Ohio State: Wells is a nice fit for the Saints after they let running back Deuce McAllister go in the offseason. He could be a perfect complement to Reggie Bush.

15. Houston Texans (8-8)

Brian Cushing, OLB, USC: Cushing's ability to fit both inside and outside is the reason I've always viewed him as a surefire first-rounder.

16. San Diego Chargers (8-8)

Rey Maualuga, LB, USC: Maualuga is capable of becoming a quality "Mike" linebacker in the NFL, but needs to use his hands better to ward off blocks and must be more consistent from week to week.

17. New York Jets (9-7)

Darrius Heyward-Bey, WR, Maryland: Heyward-Bey's awesome size-speed ratio should win out here and give the Jets the kind of receiver they need to open up the passing game.

18. Denver Broncos (from Chicago) (8-8)

Everette Brown, DE, Florida State: Brown could make an immediate impact in the Broncos' defense because of his strong skill set.

19. Tampa Bay Buccaneers (9-7)

Josh Freeman, QB, Kansas State: Freeman is an interesting prospect because he throws a great ball and has imposing size at nearly 6-foot-6 and 245 pounds. However, his inconsistent play puts him in the boom-or-bust category.

20. Detroit Lions (from Dallas) (0-16)

Michael Oher, OT, Mississippi: Oher is one of the more intriguing prospects in the draft. He's loaded with talent and can dominate the defense he's working against, but he also seems to have lapses in concentration when he struggles to keep his opponents at bay.


21. Philadelphia Eagles (9-6-1)

Knowshon Moreno, RB, Georgia: There isn't anything remotely close to the talent and depth at running back available in the draft last year, but Moreno is a good fit for the Eagles at this spot.

22. Minnesota Vikings (10-6)

Kenny Britt, WR, Rutgers: Britt has a ton of talent and is just beginning to scratch the surface of his potential.

23. New England Patriots (11-5)

Donald Brown, RB, Connecticut: Brown could end up being one of the more productive rookie backs in 2009 because of his all-around skills and tremendous character.

24. Atlanta Falcons (11-5)

Brandon Pettigrew, TE, Oklahoma State: Pettigrew remains the No. 1 tight end on the board and would be a help to young Falcons quarterback Matt Ryan.

25. Miami Dolphins (11-5)

Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio State: Jenkins has all the qualities you look for, with the exception of top-flight recovery speed, which is an obvious concern. Even so, he's too good an overall performer to pass up in the middle of the first round.

26. Baltimore Ravens (11-5)

Vontae Davis, CB, Illinois: Davis is an impressive physical specimen, but he lacked consistency with the Illini, not always performing at the elite level you would expect from a player with his natural talent and ability. He'll be a gamble.

27. Indianapolis Colts (12-4)

Peria Jerry, DT, Mississippi: Jerry is a very underrated prospect, and would be a good fit in the Indianapolis scheme.

28. Philadelphia Eagles (from 12-4 CAR) (9-6-1)

Eben Britton, OT, Arizona: Britton could be a good fit for the Eagles' offensive line, although I would have liked to see him return for his senior year..

29. New York Giants (12-4)

Hakeem Nicks, WR, North Carolina: Nicks won't wow you in a workout, but on game day he makes the tough catches and is the type of player who wants the ball thrown his way in clutch situations.

30. Tennessee Titans (13-3)

Percy Harvin, WR, Florida: Harvin reminds me of the Reggie Bush we now see with the Saints. You can utilize Harvin in a number of ways, and, like Bush, he's a scoreboard-changer. However, he also carries the same durability concerns as Bush.

31. Arizona Cardinals (9-7)

Larry English, LB, Northern Illinois: English set the all-time sack record at Northern Illinois, and could be an impact player in Arizona.

32. Pittsburgh Steelers (12-4)

Eric Wood, C, Louisville: Wood has been a player on the rise of late, and with his size and skills he could find himself a Steeler for a very long time.

Second round
33. Detroit Lions: James Laurinaitis, LB, Ohio St.

34. New England Patriots (from KC) : Connor Barwin, DE/LB, Cincinnati

35. St. Louis Rams: Darius Butler, CB, Connecticut

36. Cleveland Browns: Clay Matthews, LB, USC

37. Seattle Seahawks: William Moore, S, Missouri

38. Cincinnati Bengals: Alex Mack, C, California

39. Jacksonville Jaguars: Brian Robiskie, WR, Ohio St.

40. Oakland Raiders: Phil Loadholt, OT, Oklahoma

41. Green Bay Packers: William Beatty, OT, Connecticut

42. Buffalo Bills: Jared Cook, TE, South Carolina

43. San Francisco 49ers: Alphonso Smith, CB, Wake Forest

44. Miami Dolphins (from Washington): Jarron Gilbert, DL, San Jose St.

45. New York Giants (from New Orleans): Shawn Nelson, TE, So. Mississippi

46. Houston Texans: Ziggy Hood, DT, Missouri

47. New England Patriots (from San Diego): Sean Smith, CB, Utah

48. Denver Broncos: Ron Brace, DT, Boston College

49. Chicago Bears: Mohamed Massaquoi, WR, Georgia

50. Cleveland Browns (from Tampa Bay): LeSean McCoy, RB, Pittsburgh

51. Dallas Cowboys: Louis Delmas, S, Western Michigan

52. New York Jets: Andre Brown, RB, North Carolina St.

53. Philadelphia Eagles: Michael Johnson, DE, Georgia Tech

54. Minnesota Vikings: Max Unger, C, Oregon

55. Atlanta Falcons: Sherrod Martin, DB, Troy

56. Miami Dolphins: Clint Sintim, LB, Virginia

57. Baltimore Ravens: Juaquin Iglesias, WR, Oklahoma

58. New England Patriots: Pat White, WR, West Virginia

59. Carolina Panthers: Roy Miller, DT, Texas

60. New York Giants: Kaluka Maiava, LB, USC

61. Indianapolis Colts: Derrick Williams, WR, Penn St.

62. Tennessee Titans: D.J. Moore, CB, Vanderbilt

63. Arizona Cardinals: Shonn Greene, RB, Iowa

64. Pittsburgh Steelers: Jairus Byrd, CB, Oregon

Third round

65. Detroit: Patrick Chung, S, Oregon

66. St. Louis : Lawrence Sidbury, DE, Richmond

67. Kansas City: Andy Levitre, OL, Oregon St.

68. Seattle : Donald Washington, CB, Ohio St.

69. Dallas (from Cleveland): Ramses Barden, WR, Cal Poly

70. Cincinnati: Paul Kruger, DE, Utah

71. Oakland: Rashad Johnson, S, Alabama

72. Jacksonville: Bradley Fletcher, CB, Iowa

73. Green Bay: Cody Brown, LB, Connecticut

74. San Francisco: Darcel McBath, S, Texas Tech

75. Buffalo: T.J. Lang, OL, Eastern Michigan

76. New York Jets (from New Orleans): Richard Quinn, TE, North Carolina

77. Houston Texans: Keenan Lewis, CB, Oregon St.

78. San Diego: Jamon Meredith, OL, South Carolina

79. Denver: Asher Allen, CB, Georgia

80. Washington: Kyle Moore, DE, USC

81. Tampa Bay: Alex Magee , DT, Purdue

82. Detroit (from Dallas): Fili Moala, DT, USC

83. Green Bay (from New York Jets): Tony Fiammetta, FB, Syracuse

84. Denver (from Chicago): Louis Murphy, WR, Florida

85. Philadelphia: Deon Butler, WR, Penn St.

86. Minnesota: Duke Robinson, OG, Oklahoma

87. Miami: Cedric Peerman, RB, Virginia

88. Baltimore : Anthony Hill, TE, North Carolina St.

89. New England: Cornelius Ingram, TE, Florida

90. Atlanta: Antoine Caldwell, C, Alabama

91. New York Giants: Tyronne Green, OG, Auburn

92. Indianapolis : Jason Phillips, LB, TCU

93. Carolina: Kraig Urbik, OG, Wisconsin

94. Tennessee: Marcus Freeman, LB, Ohio St.

95. Arizona: Chase Coffman, TE, Missouri

96. Pittsburgh: Quinten Lawrence, WR, McNeese St.

97. New England (comp selection): Scott McKillop, LB, Pittsburgh

98. Cincinnati (comp selection): Rashad Jennings, RB, Liberty

99. Chicago (comp selection): Chris Clemons, S, Clemson

100. New York Giants (comp selection): Glen Coffee, RB, Alabama

Fourth round

101. Dallas (from Detroit): Ladarius Webb, DB, Nicholls St.

102. Kansas City : Dannell Ellerbe, LB, Georgia

103. St. Louis: Johnny Knox, WR, Abilene Christian

104. Cleveland : Coye Francies, CB, San Jose St.

105. Seattle: James Davis, RB, Clemson

106. Cincinnati: Quinn Johnson, FB, LSU

107. Jacksonville: Rhett Bomar, QB, Sam Houston St.

108. Miami (from Oakland): Brandon Tate, WR, North Carolina

109. Green Bay: Zack Follett, LB, California

110. Buffalo: Michael Hamlin, S, Clemson

111. San Francisco: Mike Goodson, RB, Texas A&M

112. Houston: David Veikune, DE, Hawaii

113. San Diego: Emanuel Cook, S, South Carolina

114. Denver: Chip Vaughn, S, Wake Forest

115. New York Jets (from Washington): Mitch King, DL, Iowa

116. New Orleans: Tyrone McKenzie, LB, South Florida

117. Dallas: Herman Johnson, OG, LSU

118. New Orleans (from N.Y. Jets): A.Q. Shipley, C, Penn St.

119. Chicago: Christopher Owens, CB, San Jose St.

120. Tampa Bay: Austin Collie, WR, BYU

121. Philadelphia: James Casey, TE, Rice

122. Houston (from Minnesota): Mike Thomas, WR, Arizona

123. Baltimore: Darry Beckwith, LB, LSU

124. New England: Dan Gay, OT, Baylor

125. Atlanta: Brandon Gibson, WR, Washington St.

126. Oakland (from Miami): Gerald Cadogan, OT, Penn St.

127. Indianapolis: Javon Ringer, RB, Michigan St.

128. Carolina : Mike Wallace, WR, Mississippi

129. New York Giants: Gregory Toler, CB, St. Paul's

130. Tennessee: Louis Vasquez, OG, Texas Tech

131. Arizona: Corvey Irvin, DT, Georgia

132. Pittsburgh: Sen'Derrick Marks, DL, Auburn

133. San Diego (comp selection): Ellis Lankster, CB, West Virginia

134. San Diego (comp selection): Dorell Scott, DT, Clemson

135. Tennessee (comp selection): Terrance Taylor, DT, Michigan

136. Indianapolis (comp selection): Jonathan Casillas, LB, Wisconsin


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Absolutely a horrendous draft for the Lions.


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