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Earlier in the year the draft mouthpieces were saying that Suh was the only player on the level of McCoy. Suh is the hot prospect, but McCoy is seemingly close there as well. The trick for the Lions will be to find a DE in this draft, as I think there are seemingly a number of DT prospects this year. The DT from Tennesee seems to fit the mold of what Schwartz wants, maybe he'll fit into the picture. The Lions are in desperate need of a DE, and a CB. The DT might be the best choice at #2 or 3 depending on where they end up, but don't be surprised if the Lions pick a DE in round 1 if Suh and McCoy are gone...

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We are 99% likely picking 2nd - assuming the Rams don't win a game making us 1st.

This means Suh and McCoy won't both be gone, but I do agree with your assesmnet as DE being a bigger need even than DT.

Suh > McCoy > Morgan - but all are quality picks IMO.


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We are 99% likely picking 2nd - assuming the Rams don't win a game making us 1st.

This means Suh and McCoy won't both be gone, but I do agree with your assesmnet as DE being a bigger need even than DT.

Suh > McCoy > Morgan - but all are quality picks IMO.



I agree that DE is an huge need. We don't have anyone consistently pressuring the pocket. Maybe they can get one in the 2nd or 3rd round. If the Lions end up with the 2nd pick you gotta believe they would stick to the plan of BPA and take Suh or McCoy. Either one makes this team better. That's all that matters. What follows is a write up from PFW about this years D-line prospects.

McCoy, Suh top strong DL class

* 2010 NFL draft

Posted Dec. 04, 2009 @ 8:31 a.m.
By Nolan Nawrocki

This is the sixth article in a series previewing the top NFL prospects by position for the 2010 draft.

This year's defensive line class figures to be a strength of the 2010 NFL draft, with two top-five-caliber defensive tackles — Oklahoma's Gerald McCoy and Nebraska's Ndamukong Suh — grading out more highly than any defensive tackles to come out of the college ranks in the last decade, including top-five selections such as Glenn Dorsey, Dewayne Robertson and Gerard Warren. Thanks to a solid group of underclassmen, there should be a number of pass rushers available as well, with three notable juniors all hailing from the Southeast.

Note: "e" indicates that the height, weight or 40-time is estimated.

DEFENSIVE TACKLES

1. Gerald McCoy, Oklahoma (Jr.)
6-3½e, 300e, 5.0e

Quick, active and extremely disruptive, McCoy returned to school for his fourth year despite having top-10 potential a year ago, and his decision to return did not produce the results he had expected, as the 7-5 Sooners failed to qualify for a BCS bowl game after losing QB Sam Bradford early in the season. Nonetheless, McCoy was every bit as disruptive this season as he was a year ago, capable of inverting an offensive line the same way Bears DT Tommie Harris did at OU, penetrating gaps and consistently playing behind the line of scrimmage. McCoy is best when he is on the move and will fit best as a one-gap penetrator in the pros, despite having shown enough strength ragdolling blockers to handle playing in a "30" front.

2. Ndamukong Suh, Nebraska (Sr.)
6-3 7/8, 295, 5.0e

Suh grades out more highly than any other senior in this year's draft class, showing outstanding upper-body strength to dominate against lesser competition and overpower interior offensive linemen. He might never be a great pass rusher and needs to learn how to work the edges better, but that is not to say he is not better than most college defensive linemen rushing from the inside. He brings value as a three-down player to the pro game and has shown he can be dominant defending the run on first and second downs with great strength at the point of attack. With the ability to play anywhere along an odd front and having desirable length to play outside, his greatest value could come for a 3-4 defense.

3. Jared Odrick, Penn State (Sr.)
6-4e, 305e, 5.0e

Possessing very good size, strength, length and quickness, Odrick might have played his way into the first round with a solid senior season. Critics can contend that much of his production has come against inferior competition, but with very good effort and energy, opposing offensive coordinators knew they needed to account for him, and he regularly saw extra attention. With a tendency to play a bit tall and get moved by the double-team, he could be best slanting and stunting and playing in gaps in the pros. He has a lot of upside to be developed.

4. Marvin Austin, North Carolina (Jr.)
6-2½e, 305e, 5.0e

Built like a small tank, Austin is extremely athletic for his size and possesses a unique combination of balance, hand quickness and playing range. He has come on down the stretch for the Tar Heels and made more of an impact on a deep defensive line. However, throughout much of his career, he has been a pampered underachiever playing in a strong rotation and has not been challenged enough. In a more demanding environment after a big-time payday, he could struggle to find the motivation needed to convert his talent to the field. Evaluators will struggle with how often he disappears on tape, and his inconsistent motor could affect his draft value. That said, when he wants to play, there is no question that Austin can.

5. Dan Williams, Tennessee (Sr.)
6-2e, 320e, 5.2e

Williams might have started the season slowly in Monte Kiffin's new defense and will play a bit short-armed, but he is very stout against the run and very active in pursuit for as big as he is. He will never bring much value rushing the passer from the inside, lessening his value, but he could be very valuable anchoring an even or odd front and does a lot of the dirty work that too often goes unnoticed. He has good instincts for the position and has gained momentum with the way he has played late in the season.

DEFENSIVE ENDS

1. Jason Pierre-Paul, South Florida (Jr.)
6-5½e, 260e, 4.65e

A raw junior-college transfer with freakish athletic ability and vines for arms, Pierre-Paul really could benefit from another year in college, as he is only a one-year starter who lacks great instincts and a natural feel for the game. He too often loses the ball and looks lost, and he could stand to get stronger and mature more into his body to improve against the run. Nonetheless, should Pierre-Paul declare, his rare physical skill set would likely translate very well to the pro game as a pass rusher, possessing the loose hips, flexibility, burst and movement skills that cannot be taught. He is a slam-dunk first-round pick.

2. Derrick Morgan, Georgia Tech (Jr.)
6-4e, 275e, 4.8e

Morgan is not an elite athlete with ideal quickness or lateral agility to bend off the edge and create a pass rush on his own. However, he is the most polished and complete defensive end in this class, showing an outstanding motor and consistently pressuring the quarterback with his great energy and effort. He could comfort NFL executives seeking a safe selection at the top of the draft given that they know exactly what they are getting. Nonetheless, much like Chris Long coming out of Virginia, Morgan always could struggle to be more than an eight-sack producer because of athletic limitations.

3. Carlos Dunlap, Florida (Jr.)
6-6e, 280e, 4.7e

The minute the gifted athlete walked through the door at Florida, it was easy to assess how talented he was athletically. In a similar mold as Panthers DE Julius Peppers, the true junior has shown flashes of becoming a star pass rusher. More often than not, however, he leaves evaluators disappointed and wanting to see more. Based on upside alone, Dunlap could warrant first-round interest. Questions about his toughness, work ethic and consistency could considerably hinder his draft stock, however, and limit him from reaching his potential in the pros. In addition, his arrest Tuesday for allegedly driving under the influence and his subsequent suspension from the team raises more questions about his maturity. He will need a patient, yet demanding positional coach who can maximize his talents in the pro game.

4. Greg Romeus, Pittsburgh (Jr.)
6-4½e, 265e, 4.75e

Romeus looks every bit the part, and he definitely will pass the eyeball test. Similar to Giants DE Justin Tuck coming out of Notre Dame, Romeus has great length and an impressive-looking frame into which to grow and be molded. Having played only one year of high school football, his best years are clearly ahead of him. He has shown the ability to produce in the clutch, as he did late in the game against Notre Dame, and he flashes elite pass-rush ability. However, his pass-rush arsenal is very underdeveloped, and he needs to learn how to use his hands and play more disciplined.

5. Corey Wootton, Northwestern (Sr.)
6-6 1/8, 272, 4.8e

After suffering a serious knee injury in the Alamo Bowl last year, Wootton rushed to return for the 2009 season opener despite being unable to plant on his second step and anchor the way he has shown he could in the past. Compounding the injury, he also battled through a high ankle sprain this season which could lead to misevaluations. He needs to learn how to use his hands better and convert speed into power at the top of his rush. But he does have enough strength and agility to rush the passer from the inside or outside as well as very desirable length. His willingness to play through injuries should be a plus in the pros, although having played hurt all season might adversely affect his draft status in the short term.


I know it's not a complete list, and many talented DE's were not included. I was disappointed that DE Greg Hardy from Mississippi was not on the list. I find the order in which they were listed to be irrelevant, as it will change constantly between now and draft day.


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I guess one thing I neglected to say is the obvious point that you cannot take what isn't there. If the talent is at DT, the Lions should probably pick one there. They do need more players at that spot as well. It almost seems to me that they need to trade back at least once to try and acquire another pick in the top three rounds. They need a CB and an OG, and this class is not so deep there I have read. I thikn they will be able to find prospects at DT and DE, but after those picks are made, it will be hard to find the others. I guess this is where the scouts come in, and knowing what the flavor of the next draft might be.

I wonder if a deal could be made with KC to move back and pick up the DT Dorsey and a rd 3 or so to drop to KCs spot say #7 I think. I'm not sure Dorsey fits their new 3-4 scheme.

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Norman, Okla. -- Defensive tackle Gerald McCoy thinks he's ready to make the jump to the NFL. In fact, some analysts have him going to the Lions near the top of the 2010 draft.

But along with his football future, McCoy has someone else's dreams on his mind.

McCoy lost his mother, Patricia, to complications from a brain aneurysm before he even got a chance to play at Oklahoma. Yet her dreams live on because of her son.

When McCoy walked across a stage to get his degree from Oklahoma last week, it was the fulfillment of one of Patricia's wishes. He could have left school early after the Sooners played for the national championship last year, but the jovial defensive tackle stuck around.

"The main reason I came back is because of her. I think she'd be proud that I stayed in school to work to get my degree because what's she's all about is school," McCoy said. "She loved football but she could care less whether I played football or not. She wanted me to get my degree and she knew how important school was."

McCoy has another mission beyond getting his degree and playing pro football. He recalls driving around with his mother one day when they passed a shelter and she told him how she wanted to build one of her own. She even had a plot of land picked out to build it. She only needed the means to buy it and make it happen.

McCoy envisions it as a place for people who find themselves homeless, out on the street with nowhere to turn.

"I've known people, they went to my high school, who had kids and they just couldn't afford to live where they stay," McCoy said. "They got evicted and needed somewhere to go for a few days until they figure something out."

He wants to help, and his success at Oklahoma has opened the door for him to do just that. McCoy was the USA Today defensive player of the year in high school in Oklahoma City and lived up to his billing as a dominant force in the middle of the Sooners' front line.

McCoy became perhaps the most vocal leader of a unit that ranks seventh in the nation in scoring and total defense. And he went beyond that: Coach Bob Stoops told of how, after playing every single defensive snap in a game, he'd return on Mondays to do his assigned running. He'd then lead the charge when it was time for the offensive linemen -- not even his personnel group -- to run.

"Gerald has been an amazing individual and young man to be around here for four years. He lifts everybody up he's around," Stoops said. "He's been an amazing leader. Not many guys through here as a sophomore and junior are captains.

"I could go on and on, not even talking about his ability on the field. And then you put him on the field, and he has the strength and quickness to be such a special player."

A likely high first-round pick, McCoy could soon have the means to make another of his mother's dreams a reality. He announced last week that he would skip his senior year with the Sooners (7-5) to head to the NFL, making the Dec. 31 Sun Bowl against Stanford (8-4) his last college game.

"Once she passed away and then I started to see where I might be able to go, I always said to myself, 'If I get a chance to get a little bit of money, I'm going to do that for her and put it in her name,'" McCoy said. "It's just something I always wanted to do because she was so passionate about it. She was all about people, just like me. That's just something I want to do for her."

McCoy said he's already started examining the possibilities and talking to people about how he would go about building the shelter, which he plans to put up in his hometown of Oklahoma City. But, he says, "that'll be in the future."

Until then, he's going to keep enjoying the game he learned to love from his father, Gerald Sr., and the same game that could allow him to honor his mother's wishes.

"My father always told me, 'Have as much fun as you can while you're in college because you only get it once. You don't get it back.' My mother always used to tell me, 'Why not have fun while you've got the opportunity?' So, that's what I did. I tried to make the best of it," McCoy said. "I enjoyed college while I had it, and I've had a lot of fun.

"I'm going to miss college, but I think I'm ready to move on."

It seems like McCoy is a quality person too. I'd much rather see the Lions draft someone like that than a prima-donna or a douchebag that can't stay out of trouble.

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Not just because of the Moving personal parts of the story, but the Character wexemplified by this article, I have no problem with the Lions ending up with McCoy at #2 , as another leader on this D if Suh goes #1 to St Louis.


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From what I saw today, McCoy is a solid dt and is probably more well rounded than suh. He doesn't have the freakish abilities, but he's a classic good all around dt in the pros.

He did go out hurt on a sack, but it didn't look too bad.

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I don't know if its just me resigning myself to the pick and trying to put the best construction on it, but I'm going to be a supporter of this pick and am excited about it. It sounds like he's a good kid and from what I've been able to see on him he could be a great pick. The only thing is #2. I'm just a tad nervous about taking a DT that high. Do they need to take a DT? Yes. Are any picks sure-fire locks? No. If the Lions miss on a #2 player after picking #1 the year previous they will have to be ready for another few years of utter futility.

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I'd take Suh over McCoy no question. Suh has the intangible quality that is hard to quantify but I'd call it an awareness.

What I like about McCoy is that he is very quick off the ball, always seems to penetrate the line of scrimmage.

I think if Suh goes you have to consider a number of possibilities including OT (Okung, Williams), DE (Morgan) and S (Berry). I think Okung and Morgan should get a long look here.

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I'd take Suh over McCoy no question. Suh has the intangible quality that is hard to quantify but I'd call it an awareness.

What I like about McCoy is that he is very quick off the ball, always seems to penetrate the line of scrimmage.

I think if Suh goes you have to consider a number of possibilities including OT (Okung, Williams), DE (Morgan) and S (Berry). I think Okung and Morgan should get a long look here.


I think that Suh has the bigger potential to bust when compared to McCoy. Suh isn't that big, and he doesn't have the prototypical body of an NFL DT. I think his best use may come as a 3-4 DE, which is a position that we really don't have much use for. I think that Suh has the potential to get bullied and beat up by NFL OG's (who are much larger than college OG's). I really don't think that Suh is the sure-fire NFL pro-bowl caliber player that everyone is making him out to be...


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Pablo wrote:
I'd take Suh over McCoy no question. Suh has the intangible quality that is hard to quantify but I'd call it an awareness.

What I like about McCoy is that he is very quick off the ball, always seems to penetrate the line of scrimmage.

I think if Suh goes you have to consider a number of possibilities including OT (Okung, Williams), DE (Morgan) and S (Berry). I think Okung and Morgan should get a long look here.


I think that Suh has the bigger potential to bust when compared to McCoy. Suh isn't that big, and he doesn't have the prototypical body of an NFL DT. I think his best use may come as a 3-4 DE, which is a position that we really don't have much use for. I think that Suh has the potential to get bullied and beat up by NFL OG's (who are much larger than college OG's). I really don't think that Suh is the sure-fire NFL pro-bowl caliber player that everyone is making him out to be...

Suh is listed as the same height and 3 lbs heavier than McCoy. So doesn't that mean McCoy has the same bust potential?

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wjb21ndtown wrote:
Pablo wrote:
I'd take Suh over McCoy no question. Suh has the intangible quality that is hard to quantify but I'd call it an awareness.

What I like about McCoy is that he is very quick off the ball, always seems to penetrate the line of scrimmage.

I think if Suh goes you have to consider a number of possibilities including OT (Okung, Williams), DE (Morgan) and S (Berry). I think Okung and Morgan should get a long look here.


I think that Suh has the bigger potential to bust when compared to McCoy. Suh isn't that big, and he doesn't have the prototypical body of an NFL DT. I think his best use may come as a 3-4 DE, which is a position that we really don't have much use for. I think that Suh has the potential to get bullied and beat up by NFL OG's (who are much larger than college OG's). I really don't think that Suh is the sure-fire NFL pro-bowl caliber player that everyone is making him out to be...

Suh is listed as the same height and 3 lbs heavier than McCoy. So doesn't that mean McCoy has the same bust potential?


Look at him, that's all I have to say...

He can be "listed" at whatever they want to list him at, but his body type is more of a NFL 3-4 DE. If you've ever seen the kid, you'd know what I'm talking about.


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I dont buy that one bit.

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I dont buy that one bit.


Why? Because it goes against all of the dogma and over-inflated, supernatural praise the kid has gotten recently? :roll:


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I dont buy that one bit.


Why? Because it goes against all of the dogma and over-inflated, supernatural praise the kid has gotten recently? :roll:


Hey man, im not trying to argue, i just dont buy in to the whole size thing.

When i watch Suh, I see a guy dominating the line of scrimmage, not an undersized DT.

Look at Tommie Harris, hes 295 lbs and hes made the Pro Bowl 3 times.

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