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Thats true DJ. Its funny that whenever you talk to a so called "Lions Fan", no matter what they always say "The Lions need an O-line". Its the same every year. I mean, ya, our o-line isnt top notch, but IMO it aint bad enough where I'd want Nate Solder as my LT.

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Even up until draft day walterfootball was saying the Lions should take Okung, even with Suh on the board. Yes, O-line is a need, but I think Backus has 2 years left in him, and we don't have to reach for a guy who needs a couple of years development before he's going to start. He needs to gain about 20 lbs of muscle before he's ready to be a blindside protector of a $72 million dollar investment. Of the T's in this draft, I'm not sold on Solder being the #1 guy. Carimi screams RT to me, even though he played pretty well at LT this year. He lets defenders get into his pads too easily and has lapses in pass pro that make me hesitate. Castonzo might be able to play LT, but I don't see him having a very high ceiling, and Tyron Smith will eventually play LT, but not right now. I think at 13 we need to get a guy who can start and put us squarely into the playoff conversation.

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Todd "suntanman" McShay released his mock today on ESPN Insider. I don't have Insider, if there is anyone who does have it want to post his mock here?


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The college all-star circuit has ended, the final first-round order is set and the NFL combine is rapidly approaching. So what better time to update our first-round projection?
The top of Scouts Inc.'s latest mock draft is heavy on defensive players, with defenders occupying the top three spots on the board and seven of the top 10. A pair of elite defensive backs are off the board in consecutive spots in the top 10, which also includes a pair of underclassman quarterback prospects.
There are some new faces in this projection, too, including an under-the-radar offensive lineman and an impressive defensive lineman from a program not known for producing top pro prospects.
Things likely will change significantly as the combine and the rest of the pre-draft process unfold, but this is how we see things playing out based on what we've seen on film and the buzz we're hearing from around the league.



Carolina Panthers

Record: 2-14

Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson*
The Andrew Luck dream has long since ended, and it's time to deal with the reality of the situation. Trading out is a long shot, 2010 second-round pick Jimmy Clausen does not appear to be the long-term answer at quarterback and although Blaine Gabbert is the premier quarterback in this year's class, Gabbert is no Luck. Auburn DT Nick Fairley is an option, but I believe that Bowers is the better choice. He is a power rusher with the tools to develop into a Julius Peppers-type impact player.

Denver Broncos

Record: 4-12

Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn*
The Broncos are likely to transition to a four-man front under new head coach John Fox and defensive coordinator Dennis Allen. They finished last in the NFL with 23 sacks last season, so upgrading the pass rush is a major priority. Bowers would be a possibility if available and Alabama's Marcell Dareus makes sense, but Fairley's specialty is wreaking havoc in opposing backfields (24 tackles for loss, 11.5 sacks in 2010), and he has the elite tools to become an every-down impact player as an "under" tackle/3-technique in a four-man front.

Buffalo Bills

Record: 4-12

Von Miller, OLB, Texas AM
The Bills have no shortage of needs. Left tackle is a priority, but the 2011 class doesn't offer a surefire top-five pick. The team is also likely to draft a quarterback, but it should do so on Day 2, when a legitimate backup to Ryan Fitzpatrick (and potential future starter) can be found. The Bills also need help along the defensive front, and Miller makes sense because he's a versatile playmaker. Miller can play sideline to sideline versus the run, and he's at his best when turned loose off the edge as a pass-rusher.

Cincinnati Bengals

Record: 4-12

A.J. Green, WR, Georgia*
Using a top-10 pick on a wide receiver is rarely a wise move, but Green is special. Many wideouts are big and fast, but Green's route-running savvy, toughness, body control and ball skills set him apart from most college wideouts. The Bengals also have needs at defensive end (and could select North Carolina's Robert Quinn), middle linebacker (what's Dhani Jones' future?) and quarterback. (Is it time to draft Carson Palmer's replacement?)

Arizona Cardinals

Record: 5-11

Blaine Gabbert, QB, Missouri
The Cardinals have needs at guard, right tackle, tight end, 3-4 outside linebacker and cornerback, but none is bigger than their need at quarterback. Gabbert is still a work in progress, but he's the most complete signal-caller in this class. His accuracy is far better than his statistics indicate, he has the arm strength to drive the ball vertically (which is what the Cardinals want in their starting quarterback) and he has the work ethic and football intelligence to quickly emerge as a solid starter.

Cleveland Browns
Record: 5-11

Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama*
New defensive coordinator Dick Jauron could use a disruptive 3-technique like Dareus to fit his 4-3 scheme. Dareus missed two games in 2010 thanks to suspension and was hobbled by an ankle injury for several others, but anyone questioning his ability to penetrate and make plays in opposing backfields clearly did not watch tape of the Crimson Tide's 2009 national title run.

San Francisco 49ers
Record: 6-10

Patrick Peterson, CB, LSU*
San Francisco can't afford to take another risk on a quarterback in the top 10. The 49ers are better served to draft the best available player in Peterson, who could help a defense that ranked 24th in the NFL and could contribute in the return game.

Tennessee Titans
Record: 6-10

Prince Amukamara, CB, Nebraska
Quarterback is obviously the biggest need, but the Titans can't afford to gamble on Cam Newton or Jake Locker here. Look for them to bring in a veteran signal-caller and use a Day 2 pick on a quarterback to develop such as Arkansas' Ryan Mallett or TCU's Andy Dalton. This franchise has had too many disappointing first-rounders over the years, and taking Amukamara -- the top athlete on the board and one of the hardest workers in the 2011 class -- would be a strong building block for new head coach Mike Munchak.

Dallas Cowboys
Record: 6-10

J.J. Watt, DE, Wisconsin*
The team's most pressing need is for a 5-technique (defensive end) in its 3-4 scheme. The Cowboys are also aging along the offensive line and need some depth/future starters at inside linebacker and safety. Dallas would have a tough call in this scenario, but Watt will continue to fly up boards because of his versatility and nonstop motor. Watt is capable of making an immediate impact on all three downs as a rookie. Finding a player like Watt to generate inside pressure would be a great complement to OLB DeMarcus Ware's edge rushing ability.

Washington Redskins
Record: 6-10

Cam Newton, QB, Auburn*
Newton is the biggest boom-or-bust prospect in the 2011 class. Head coach Mike Shanahan and offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan are certainly capable of developing Newton, but it will not be an overnight job.

Houston Texans
Record: 6-10

Jimmy Smith, CB, Colorado
Kareem Jackson should make big strides in his second season, and Glover Quin should improve in his third season. It would be nice to bring in a veteran cornerback to provide depth and stability, but if the Texans are unable to do so, Smith would be a good pick for them at No. 11. A big, smooth cornerback with the strength, confidence and balance to hold up in press-man coverage, Smith could emerge as one of the most underrated players from the 2011 class.

Minnesota Vikings
Record:6-10

Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina*
Quinn falls here because of the suspension that cost him the entire 2010 season, and the Vikings take advantage. Their defense is aging, and two of their defensive ends -- starter Ray Edwards and backup Brian Robison -- are free agents. The team would like to find its future franchise quarterback here, but Locker needs too much time to develop.

Detroit Lions
Record: 6-10

Nate Solder, OT, Colorado
Cornerback, strong safety and outside linebacker are all bigger needs for the Lions, but it would be a reach to take the next available at any of those positions. Protecting QB Matthew Stafford is the No. 1 priority -- both short- and long-term -- and Solder can eventually develop into a good bookend opposite right tackle Gosder Cherilus.

St. Louis Rams
Record: 7-9

Julio Jones, WR, Alabama*
Jones could show more consistent focus, but he's a big, physical receiver with the toughness and underrated speed to emerge as QB Sam Bradford's go-to target for many years.

Miami Dolphins
Record: 7-9

Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama*
QB Chad Henne deserves one more season at the helm, and rather than using this pick on a long-term project like Locker or Newton, the team should put better weapons around Henne. Ingram had a knee injury early in 2010 but recovered nicely and got stronger as the season progressed. He is the type of NFL-ready back who could give Miami a huge boost in the run game even as a complement to current free agents Ronnie Brown and/or Ricky Williams.

Jacksonville Jaguars
Record: 8-8

Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa
The Jaguars have more pressing needs at quarterback and in the secondary. They also could use a speedster at wide receiver. But drafting a good value at defensive end is never a bad idea, and Clayborn could learn a lot early in his career from Jags right defensive end Aaron Kampman, who will return from injury in 2011.

New England Patriots (from Oakland)
Record: 14-2

Cameron Jordan, DE, California
The Patriots could use help along the defensive line, and Jordan would be as good fit as a 5-technique who can hold up against the run and bring some pass-rushing ability to the table.

San Diego Chargers
Record: 9-7

Aldon Smith, DE/OLB, Missouri*
Smith, who also could fit as a 4-3 end, is still growing into his body and needs to get stronger, but he is a relentless pass-rusher with a knack for getting to the quarterback. His 2009 tape tells the true story of his potential, because in 2010 he was hobbled when he was able to get on the field.

New York Giants
Record: 10-6

Tyron Smith, OT, USC*
The Giants can use this pick to solidify QB Eli Manning's protection for the next several years. Current LT David Diehl can move inside to guard, Will Beatty can play either tackle position and RT Kareem McKenzie is entering his 11th season and will be a free agent after the 2012 season. Smith has great potential as a left tackle, but he started two seasons at right tackle at USC and is still a bit unpolished.

Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Record: 10-6

Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue*
Tampa Bay didn't get much production from starting defensive ends Tim Crowder and Stylez G. White, and the entire team had only 26 sacks in 2010. Kerrigan is relentless as a pass-rusher and against the run and would boost the Bucs' defensive front immediately.

Kansas City Chiefs
Record: 10-6

Akeem Ayers, OLB, UCLA*
Ayers has good size and speed, shows sideline-to-sideline range as a run defender and has a lot of upside as pass-rusher. He is a very good fit in Kansas City's 3-4 scheme and could contribute immediately.

Indianapolis Colts
Record: 10-6

Anthony Castonzo, OT, Boston College
The Colts rarely draft offensive linemen this high, but they have a major need when it comes to protecting Peyton Manning. Castonzo could add some bulk to his frame, but pass-blocking is his strength and his run-blocking should improve with time in the weight room. Indianapolis also could consider a defensive tackle with this pick.

Philadelphia Eagles
Record: 10-6

Gabe Carimi, OT, Wisconsin
Outside linebacker is a bigger need, but no available prospect fits the Eagles' scheme and is worth this pick. Carimi has versatility to play tackle or guard immediately and should develop into a very good starting tackle -- likely on the right side -- in the very near future.

New Orleans Saints
Record: 11-5

Justin Houston, OLB, Georgia*
Houston is a bit raw and not an ideal fit for New Orleans' defensive scheme, but upgrading the pass rush is a primary need for the Saints and Houston has all kinds of potential in that area.

Seattle Seahawks
Record: 7-9

Jake Locker, QB, Washington
Locker's stock took a big hit this season, but we still think he will come off the board in the first round. The Seahawks are not completely settled at quarterback and could do worse than bringing in a local hero with a lot of upside, and if they don't pull the trigger, we could see a team trade back into the late first round to get Locker.

Baltimore Ravens
Record: 12-4

Randall Cobb, WR, Kentucky*
The Ravens need speed at wide receiver, and Cobb is an underrated offensive weapon who would fit the bill. He's a very savvy route-runner and can contribute in the return game. Baltimore also could look to fill needs at cornerback or defensive end.

Atlanta Falcons
Record: 13-3

Mike Pouncey, C/G, Florida
The Falcons are definitely in the market for a pass-rusher, but there is none on the board worth the pick. Atlanta also needs to upgrade its interior offensive line, and Pouncey makes perfect sense given his ability to contribute immediately at either center or guard.

New England Patriots
Record: 14-2

Dan Watkins, G, Baylor
The Patriots got their defensive end earlier in the first, and no pass-rusher or running back is worth taking here. Watkins is a fast-rising line prospect who plays with an edge, and although he played tackle in college, he is a better fit inside at the NFL level. This is also a prime spot for teams picking early in the second round to possibly trade back into the first. New England has plenty of options.

Chicago Bears
Record: 11-5

Corey Liuget, DT, Illinois*
If Liuget falls to this spot, the Bears will get a steal. He's a top-20 pick in our rankings thanks to his strength, quickness, balance and motor. Chicago has bigger needs at offensive tackle and wide receiver, but Liuget is a better value than any player available at those positions.

New York Jets
Record: 11-5

Phil Taylor, NT, Baylor
The Jets need a reliable presence in the middle of their 3-4 defense, and veteran NT Kris Jenkins has played just seven games combined in the past two seasons. Taylor has the size to anchor the middle of that three-man front and surprisingly good feet for a 350-pound prospect.

Pittsburgh Steelers
Record: 12-4

Benjamin Ijalana, OT, Villanova
Ijalana is an under-the-radar FCS prospect, but he possesses good physical tools and a lot of upside. A lack of depth along the offensive line was an issue for the Steelers in 2010, and assuming Ijalana's nagging minor injuries have healed, he could add depth while preparing for a full-time starting job.

Green Bay Packers
Record: 12-4

Muhammad Wilkerson, DE, Temple*
Wilkerson has impressive size and overall power and would be a very good fit as a 5-technique in defensive coordinator Dom Capers' 3-4 scheme. He can stack and shed against the run and is a power pass-rusher with active hands.


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Even up until draft day walterfootball was saying the Lions should take Okung, even with Suh on the board. Yes, O-line is a need, but I think Backus has 2 years left in him, and we don't have to reach for a guy who needs a couple of years development before he's going to start. He needs to gain about 20 lbs of muscle before he's ready to be a blindside protector of a $72 million dollar investment. Of the T's in this draft, I'm not sold on Solder being the #1 guy. Carimi screams RT to me, even though he played pretty well at LT this year. He lets defenders get into his pads too easily and has lapses in pass pro that make me hesitate. Castonzo might be able to play LT, but I don't see him having a very high ceiling, and Tyron Smith will eventually play LT, but not right now. I think at 13 we need to get a guy who can start and put us squarely into the playoff conversation.



The morons that make up some of these mocks always leave me laughing. Seems like, when in doubt just put down LT for the Lions. Agree with your take on the tackles you mentioned, although there is another one that might deserve a 1st round grade, Derick Sherrod, Miss. St.
Don't know if he's any better than the ones you listed though.
If these guys aren't impact players and need time to develop, why take them at 13?
In McShay's latest mock, in reference to the Lions he says: Cornerback, strong safety and outside linebacker are all bigger needs for the Lions, but it would be a reach to take the next available at any of those positions. Protecting QB Matthew Stafford is the No. 1 priority -- both short- and long-term -- and Solder can eventually develop into a good bookend opposite right tackle Gosder Cherilus.
Well at least he recognizes most of the need positions, but I disagree about the reach. Having to wait for: " Solder can eventually develop " seems like just as much of a reach as taking one of the corners. I have noticed Brandon Harris and Jimmy Smith climbing up the boards. In fact, I've read that they could possibly move in front of Amukamara. Scouts are questioning his long speed.
If the Lions are hell bent on taking an OT, take one in the later rounds, and given the time to develop might turn out just as good as the 1st rounders.


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I think it's safe to assume that the Lions won't be taking an OT at 13 since none of them would be the BPA. However, if they do manage to trade down, it could be a possibility, but still not likely IMO. The coaching staff seems to love Backus and he still has a year remaining on his contract, so I don't think it's one of their priorities. Personally, I agree with them, but something does need to be done for the future.

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Focus on OG or OC (pref combo player) this draft, give Fox 1 healthy season to prove (by the end of next season, after 2 full years) if he even MIGHT be the LT of the future, and then next year it can be Priority #1 if not. Draft a 1st/2nd rd LT this year is admitting fox was the wrong pick last year (imo).


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DJ-B wrote:
Focus on OG or OC (pref combo player) this draft, give Fox 1 healthy season to prove (by the end of next season, after 2 full years) if he even MIGHT be the LT of the future, and then next year it can be Priority #1 if not. Draft a 1st/2nd rd LT this year is admitting fox was the wrong pick last year (imo).


When the Lions took Fox last year in the 4th round, they said they were surprised he was still there. BPA. He had pretty good scouting reports prior to last years draft.
If they take another Tackle in this years draft, I would think it is for the same reason. I'm not a proponent of stockpiling Tackles, but if it falls in our laps, oh well. Protecting Stafford should be the highest priority.


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I agree that we should give Jason Fox an opportunity to prove his worth. He was considered a fringe first, definite second round prospect up until he had his surgery and couldn't work out. And my understanding is that he played almost his entire season in 2009 with that bad knee, deciding that his team was more important than his getting the surgery during the season so he could work out to improve his draft stock. I like that team first mentality.

Aside from that, I think Corey Hilliard is a pretty good football player and we still have Tony Ugoh on the roster. If Ugoh can somehow resurrect his ability, that would be awesome. Even if he's not quite the same, he'd still be a quality backup.

That said, I have been one of Jeff Backus' biggest critics, but aside from the shot he allowed in the Bears game, he had a pretty strong season. He shut out some pretty solid pass rushers throughout the year. I'm not ready to call him an All Pro, but I think he played well enough to be considered a top ten LT last season. Don't laugh, I'm serious. Comparatively speaking, he was right there. The big knock on Backus is lack of drive in the run game. But that can be said for almost all of our linemen. Sims was the best run blocker, and truthfully he wasn't great, just the best for our team.

I agree that what needs to really be done is to concentrate on the inside. Raiola may be very intelligent, but brainpower doesn't stop 340 lb DTs. Peterman, it's been said, played on a bad leg almost all of last season. If that's the case, then shame on the coaches and FO for not going out and finding someone else so Peterman could heal.

No more excuses for those guys. We need to focus on a stronger center and upgrade the right guard position before we worry about tackles. I hate Gosder Cherilus. Hated the pick and he's proven to be the substandard player I thought he was. But I'd be handing over the starting job to Corey Hilliard or Jason Fox, and let Cherilus try his hand inside before I'd burn a pick on a new RT, which is EXACTLY what I think Solder turns out to be in the NFL. And nobody with a brain takes a RT at #13, it's a waste, unless you have a left handed QB.

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Wasn't BMW an OLinemen?....lol ](*,)


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Totally agee with m2. I Remember when we picked Gos I was really hoping we'd pick Otah. I haven't followed his career but I think he was a better pick. That said I remember an interview with Gos that got me excited. He said he likes to play the game nasty and drive defenders into the dirt any chance he gets. Obviously he isn't too talented but maybe he'd be better suited for guard.


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Totally agee with m2. I Remember when we picked Gos I was really hoping we'd pick Otah. I haven't followed his career but I think he was a better pick. That said I remember an interview with Gos that got me excited. He said he likes to play the game nasty and drive defenders into the dirt any chance he gets. Obviously he isn't too talented but maybe he'd be better suited for guard.


Ya know, I just wish they would at least try Goz out out guard. What harm does that do?

Who knows, maybe they already have and we just dont know. I doubt they have, but u never know.

Because if Goz somehow looked very good at guard, that we'd still have Hilliard or even Fox to fill in the RT spot.

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Generally speaking, Gosder Cherilus is too tall to play OG. He's something like 6'6" or 6'7" and you won't find too many OGs in the league at that height. The problem is twofold. First, most QBs won't be able to see over him in their throwing lanes. This is not as big of a problem with OTs on the outside. Second, Marinelli's infamous "pad Level" comes into play with increased height. He just wouldn't be as effective against heavier, shorter DTs in the trenches as he would be against taller, leaner DEs outside. Of course, this isn't true of every individual player, but it proves more often true than not.

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kdsberman wrote:
ZAndrews81 wrote:
Totally agee with m2. I Remember when we picked Gos I was really hoping we'd pick Otah. I haven't followed his career but I think he was a better pick. That said I remember an interview with Gos that got me excited. He said he likes to play the game nasty and drive defenders into the dirt any chance he gets. Obviously he isn't too talented but maybe he'd be better suited for guard.


Ya know, I just wish they would at least try Goz out out guard. What harm does that do?

Who knows, maybe they already have and we just dont know. I doubt they have, but u never know.

Because if Goz somehow looked very good at guard, that we'd still have Hilliard or even Fox to fill in the RT spot.


They could have tried it in practice and he just failed miserably at it, bad enough to not even give him a shot at it in a game.


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I see Mel Kiper released his Mock 2.0. DJ-B can you post again?


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Once the current CBA expires, does that affect whether or not trades will be able to executed DURING the draft? If so, would that mean that the Lions have no chance to trade down? That might be the best option depending on how their board falls etc. Just curious.

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