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A couple of what should be final big board rankings. Sad that the Lions don't have any picks between 66 and 131, a lot of good players to be had in that range.



A rundown of NFL.com draft analyst Mike Mayock's top 100 prospects heading into next week's 2013 NFL Draft.

1. Eric Fisher, OT, Central Michigan
2. Sharrif Floyd, DT, Florida
3. Luke Joeckel, OT, Texas A&M
4. Chance Warmack, OG, Alabama
5. Dion Jordan, DE/OLB, Oregon
6. Lane Johnson, OT, Oklahoma
7. Sheldon Richardson, DT, Missouri
8. Jonathan Cooper, OG, North Carolina
9. Ziggy Ansah, DE, BYU
10. Barkevious Mingo, DE, LSU

11. Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah
12. Tavon Austin, WR, West Virginia
13. Tyler Eifert, TE, Notre Dame
14. D.J. Hayden, CB, Houston
15. D.J. Fluker, OT, Alabama
16. Dee Milliner, CB, Alabama
17. Kenny Vaccaro, S, Texas
18. Eddie Lacy, RB, Alabama
19. Jarvis Jones, OLB, Georgia
20. Xavier Rhodes, CB, Florida State

21. Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia
22. Sylvester Williams, DT, North Carolina
23. Manti Te'o, ILB, Notre Dame
24. Justin Pugh, OT, Syracuse
25. Matt Elam, FS, Florida
26. Bjoern Werner, DE, Florida State
27. Datone Jones, DE, UCLA
28. Eric Reid,FS, LSU
29. Kyle Long,OG, Oregon
30. Cordarrelle Patterson, WR, Tennessee

31. Menelik Watson, OT, Florida State
32. Justin Hunter, WR, Tennessee
33. Damontre Moore, DE, Texas A&M
34. Kevin Minter,ILB, LSU
35. Desmond Trufant, CB, Washington
36. Arthur Brown, ILB, Kansas State
37. Keenan Allen, WR, California
38. Jonathan Cyprien, FS, Florida International
39. Margus Hunt, DE, SMU
40. Kawann Short, DT, Purdue

41. EJ Manuel, QB, Florida State
42. DeAndre Hopkins, WR, Clemson
43. Matt Barkley, QB, USC
44. Alec Ogletree, ILB, Georgia
45. Robert Woods, WR, USC
46. Zach Ertz, TE, Stanford
47. Larry Warford,, OG, Kentucky
48. Johnthan Banks, CB, Mississippi State
49. Jamie Collins, OLB, Southern Mississippi
50. Ryan Nassib, QB, Syracuse

51. Jamar Taylor, CB, Boise State
52. Montee Ball, RB, Wisconsin
53. Terrance Williams,, WR, Baylor
54. Cornelius Washington, OLB, Georgia
55. Brian Schwenke, C, California
56. Tank Carradine, DE, Florida State
57. D.J. Swearinger, SS, South Carolina
58. Jonathan Hankins, DT, Ohio State
59. Darius Slay, CB, Mississippi State
60. Aaron Dobson, WR, Marshall

61. Terron Armstead, OT, Arkansas-Pine Bluff
62. Bennie Logan, DT, LSU
63. Giovani Bernard, RB, North Carolina
64. Sio Moore, OLB, Connecticut
65. Jon Bostic, OLB, Florida
66. Blidi Wreh-Wilson, CB, Connecticut
67. B.W. Webb, CB, William & Mary
68. J.J. Wilcox, FS, Georgia Southern
69. Khaseem Greene, OLB, Rutgers
70. Brian Winters, OG, Kent

71. John Jenkins, DT, Georgia
72. Dwayne Gratz, CB, Connecticut
73. Stedman Bailey, WR, West Virginia
74. Robert Alford, CB, Southeastern Louisiana
75. Andre Ellington, RB, Clemson
76. Gavin Escobar, TE, San Diego State
77. William Gholston, DE, Michigan State
78. Quinton Patton, WR, Louisiana Tech
79. Alex Okafor, DE, Texas
80. Travis Kelce, TE, Cincinnati

81. Mike Glennon, QB, North Carolina State
82. David Bakhtiari, OT, Colorado
83. Brandon Williams, DT, Missouri Southern State
84. David Quessenberry, OT, San Jose State
85. Jordan Poyer, CB, Oregon State
86. Tyler Bray, QB, Tennessee
87. Christine Michael, RB, Texas A&M
88. Markus Wheaton, WR, Oregon State
89. John Simon, DT, Ohio State
90. Dallas Thomas, OT, Tennessee

91. Barrett Jones, OG, Alabama
92. Travis Frederick, C, Wisconsin
93. Marquise Goodwin, WR, Texas
94. Le'Veon Bell, RB, Michigan State
95. Shamarko Thomas, SS, Syracuse
96. Vance McDonald, TE, Rice
97. Jesse Williams, DT, Alabama
98. Tyrann Mathieu, CB, LSU
99. David Amerson, CB, North Carolina State
100. Johnathan Franklin, RB, UCLA


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1 *Luke Joeckel OT 1 Texas A&M Jr 6-6 306 1
2 *Sharrif Floyd DT 1 Florida Jr 6-3 297 1
3 Eric Fisher OT 2 Central Michigan Sr 6-7 306 1
4 Dion JordanInjured OLB 1 Oregon rSr 6-6 248 1
5 Lane Johnson OT 3 Oklahoma Sr 6-6 303 1
6 *Dee MillinerInjured CB 1 Alabama Jr 6-0 201 1
7 Ezekiel Ansah DE 1 Brigham Young Sr 6-5 271 1
8 Chance Warmack OG 1 Alabama Sr 6-2 317 1
9 Geno Smith QB 1 West Virginia Sr 6-3 218 1
10 *Barkevious Mingo OLB 2 LSU rJr 6-4 241 1
11 *Xavier Rhodes CB 2 Florida State rJr 6-2 210 1
12 Jonathan Cooper OG 2 North Carolina rSr 6-2 311 1
13 Tavon Austin WR 1 West Virginia Sr 5-9 174 1
14 *Cordarrelle Patterson WR 2 Tennessee Jr 6-2 216 1
15 Star LotuleleiInjured DT 2 Utah Sr 6-3 311 1
16 *Jarvis Jones OLB 3 Georgia rJr 6-3 245 1
17 *Sheldon Richardson DT 3 Missouri rJr 6-3 294 1
18 Sylvester Williams DT 4 North Carolina Sr 6-3 313 1
19 *Tyler Eifert TE 1 Notre Dame rJr 6-6 250 1
20 *Bjoern Werner DE 2 Florida State Jr 6-3 266 1
21 Kenny Vaccaro FS 1 Texas Sr 6-0 214 1
22 *D.J. Fluker OT 4 Alabama rJr 6-5 339 1
23 Desmond Trufant CB 3 Washington Sr 6-0 190 1-2
24 *Menelik Watson OT 5 Florida State Jr 6-5 310 1-2
25 *Alec Ogletree OLB 4 Georgia Jr 6-3 242 1-2
26 *Robert Woods WR 3 Southern California Jr 6-1 201 1-2
27 Jamar Taylor CB 4 Boise State rSr 5-11 192 1-2
28 Matt Barkley QB 2 Southern California Sr 6-3 227 1-2
29 Datone Jones DE 3 UCLA rSr 6-4 283 1-2
30 EJ Manuel QB 3 Florida State rSr 6-5 237 1-2
31 Manti Te'o ILB 1 Notre Dame Sr 6-1 241 1-2
32 Cornellius CarradineInjured DE 4 Florida State Sr 6-4 276 1-2
33 *Eric Reid FS 2 LSU Jr 6-1 213 1-2
34 *Keenan Allen WR 4 California Jr 6-2 206 1-2
35 *Eddie Lacy RB 1 Alabama rJr 5-11 231 1-2
37 Margus Hunt DE 5 Southern Methodist rSr 6-8 277 1-2
38 *Matt Elam SS 1 Florida Jr 5-10 208 1-2
39 *Zach Ertz TE 2 Stanford rJr 6-5 249 1-2
39 *Johnathan Hankins DT 5 Ohio State Jr 6-3 320 1-2
40 *Damontre Moore DE 6 Texas A&M Jr 6-5 250 1-2
41 *DeAndre Hopkins WR 5 Clemson Jr 6-1 214 2
42 Johnthan Banks CB 5 Mississippi State Sr 6-2 185 2
43 Jonathan Cyprien SS 2 Florida International Sr 6-0 217 2
44 Arthur Brown OLB 5 Kansas State rSr 6-1 241 2
45 Jesse Williams DT 6 Alabama Sr 6-4 323 2
46 *Kevin Minter ILB 2 LSU rJr 6-0 246 2
47 Kawann Short DT 7 Purdue rSr 6-3 299 2
48 Ryan Nassib QB 4 Syracuse rSr 6-2 227 2
49 Terron Armstead OT 6 Arkansas-Pine Bluff Sr 6-5 306 2
50 *Justin Hunter WR 6 Tennessee Jr 6-4 196 2
51 *Sam Montgomery DE 7 LSU rJr 6-3 262 2
52 *Justin Pugh OT 7 Syracuse rJr 6-5 307 2
53 *David Amerson CB 6 North Carolina State Jr 6-1 205 2
54 Larry Warford OG 3 Kentucky Sr 6-3 332 2
55 Kyle Long OT 8 Oregon Sr 6-6 313 2
56 Johnathan Franklin RB 2 UCLA rSr 5-10 205 2
57 *Travis Frederick C 1 Wisconsin rJr 6-4 312 2
58 Alex Okafor DE 8 Texas Sr 6-5 264 2
59 Terrance Williams WR 7 Baylor rSr 6-2 208 2
60 Montee Ball RB 3 Wisconsin Sr 5-11 214 2
61 D.J. Hayden CB 7 Houston Sr 5-11 191 2
62 Tyler Wilson QB 5 Arkansas rSr 6-2 215 2
63 Phillip Thomas FS 3 Fresno State rSr 6-1 208 2-3
64 Dwayne Gratz CB 8 Connecticut rSr 5-11 201 2-3
65 Vance McDonald TE 3 Rice rSr 6-4 267 2-3
66 Jamie Collins OLB 6 Southern Mississippi Sr 6-4 250 2-3
67 *Le'Veon Bell RB 4 Michigan State Jr 6-2 230 2-3
68 Quinton Patton WR 8 Louisiana Tech rSr 6-0 204 2-3
69 Darius Slay CB 9 Mississippi State Sr 6-0 192 2-3
70 John Jenkins DT 8 Georgia Sr 6-4 346 2-3
71 Khaseem Greene OLB 7 Rutgers rSr 6-1 241 2-3
72 *Tyrann Mathieu CB 10 LSU Jr 5-9 186 2-3
73 *Giovani Bernard RB 5 North Carolina rSo 5-9 202 2-3
74 Mike Glennon QB 6 North Carolina State rSr 6-7 225 2-3
75 Markus Wheaton WR 9 Oregon State Sr 5-11 189 2-3
76 D.J. Swearinger FS 4 South Carolina Sr 5-11 208 2-3
77 Brian Schwenke C 2 California Sr 6-3 314 2-3
78 Sio Moore OLB 8 Connecticut rSr 6-1 245 2-3
79 Brian Winters OG 4 Kent State Sr 6-4 320 2-3
80 Marquise Goodwin WR 10 Texas Sr 5-9 183 2-3
81 *Gavin Escobar TE 4 San Diego State rJr 6-6 254 2-3
82 Robert Alford CB 11 Southeastern Louisiana rSr 5-10 188 3
83 Blidi Wreh-Wilson CB 12 Connecticut rSr 6-1 195 3
84 Kiko Alonso ILB 3 Oregon rSr 6-4 238 3
85 *Corey Lemonier OLB 9 Auburn Jr 6-4 255 3
86 Brandon Williams DT 9 Missouri Southern State rSr 6-1 335 3
87 *Tyler Bray QB 7 Tennessee Jr 6-6 232 3
88 Jordan Poyer CB 13 Oregon State Sr 6-0 191 3
89 Andre Ellington RB 6 Clemson rSr 5-9 199 3
90 *Da'Rick Rogers WR 11 Tennessee Tech Jr 6-3 217 3
91 Matt Scott QB 8 Arizona rSr 6-2 213 3
92 JJ Wilcox SS 3 Georgia Southern Sr 6-0 213 3
93 *David Bakhtiari OT 9 Colorado rJr 6-4 299 3
94 Bacarri Rambo FS 5 Georgia rSr 6-1 211 3
95 Ryan Swope WR 12 Texas A&M rSr 6-0 205 3
96 Travis Kelce TE 5 Cincinnati rSr 6-5 255 3
97 Trevardo Williams OLB 10 Connecticut Sr 6-1 241 3
98 Barrett JonesInjured C 3 Alabama rSr 6-5 306 3-4
99 Christine Michael RB 7 Texas A&M Sr 5-10 220 3-4
100 Lavar Edwards DE 9 LSU rSr 6-4 277 3-4
101 *Alvin Bailey OG 5 Arkansas rJr 6-3 312 3-4
102 Leon McFadden CB 14 San Diego State Sr 5-10 193 3-4
103 *Stedman Bailey WR 13 West Virginia rJr 5-10 193 3-4
104 A.J. Klein ILB 4 Iowa State Sr 6-1 250 3-4
105 Landry Jones QB 9 Oklahoma rSr 6-4 225 3-4
106 T.J. McDonald FS 6 Southern California Sr 6-3 219 3-4
107 Zaviar Gooden OLB 11 Missouri rSr 6-2 234 3-4
108 Shamarko Thomas SS 4 Syracuse Sr 5-9 213 3-4
109 Vinston Painter OT 10 Virginia Tech rSr 6-4 306 3-4
110 Jeff Locke P 1 UCLA rSr 6-1 209 3-4
111 Shawn Williams SS 5 Georgia Sr 6-0 213 3-4
112 Stepfan Taylor RB 8 Stanford Sr 5-9 214 3-4
113 Aaron Dobson WR 14 Marshall Sr 6-3 210 3-4
114 *Logan Ryan CB 15 Rutgers rJr 5-11 191 3-4
115 Chase Thomas OLB 12 Stanford rSr 6-3 244 3-4
116 John Simon DE 10 Ohio State Sr 6-2 257 3-4
117 *Jordan Reed TE 6 Florida rJr 6-3 236 3-4
118 *Akeem Spence DT 10 Illinois rJr 6-1 307 3-4
119 Chris Harper WR 15 Kansas State rSr 6-1 229 3-4
120 Kyle Juszczyk FB 1 Harvard Sr 6-1 248 3-4
121 Sean Porter OLB 13 Texas A&M Sr 6-1 229 3-4
122 Khaled Holmes C 4 Southern California rSr 6-3 302 3-4
123 Josh Evans FS 7 Florida Sr 6-1 207 4
124 Jon Bostic ILB 5 Florida Sr 6-1 245 4
125 *Joseph Randle RB 9 Oklahoma State Jr 6-0 204 4
126 David Quessenberry OT 11 San Jose State rSr 6-5 302 4
127 Michael Buchanan DE 11 Illinois Sr 6-6 255 4
128 B.W. Webb CB 16 William & Mary rSr 5-10 184 4
129 DeVonte Holloman OLB 14 South Carolina Sr 6-2 243 4
130 *Tharold Simon CB 17 LSU Jr 6-2 202 4
131 Brennan Williams OT 12 North Carolina Sr 6-6 318 4
132 *Kenny Stills WR 16 Oklahoma Jr 6-1 194 4
133 Malliciah Goodman DE 12 Clemson Sr 6-4 276 4
134 Dallas ThomasInjured OT 13 Tennessee rSr 6-5 306 4-5
135 Montori Hughes DT 11 Tennessee-Martin Sr 6-4 329 4-5
136 Cobi Hamilton WR 17 Arkansas Sr 6-2 212 4-5
137 Hugh Thornton OG 6 Illinois Sr 6-3 320 4-5
138 *Jelani Jenkins OLB 15 Florida rJr 6-1 243 4-5
139 *Marcus LattimoreInjured RB 10 South Carolina Jr 5-11 221 4-5
140 *Dion Sims TE 7 Michigan State rJr 6-5 262 4-5
141 Jordan Hill DT 12 Penn State Sr 6-1 303 4-5
142 Kevin Reddick ILB 6 North Carolina Sr 6-2 243 4-5
143 Brandon McGee CB 18 Miami (Fla.) Sr 5-11 193 4-5
144 Gerald Hodges OLB 16 Penn State Sr 6-1 243 4-5
145 Mike Gillislee RB 11 Florida Sr 5-11 208 4-5
146 Jordan Mills OT 14 Louisiana Tech Sr 6-5 316 4-5
147 Cornelius Washington DE 13 Georgia rSr 6-4 265 4-5
148 J.C. Tretter OG 7 Cornell Sr 6-4 307 4-5
149 Tavarres King WR 18 Georgia rSr 6-0 189 4-5
150 Zac Dysert QB 10 Miami (Ohio) rSr 6-3 231 4-5


April 21st, 2013, 2:52 pm
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Wow Gholston over Okafor, I'm surprised to see that one... I love the prospects around our 2nd round pick. If we blow that pick I'm going to be pissed.


April 21st, 2013, 3:20 pm
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wjb21ndtown wrote:
Wow Gholston over Okafor, I'm surprised to see that one... I love the prospects around our 2nd round pick. If we blow that pick I'm going to be pissed.



So who do you like at 36? I think it depends on what we get in the 1st. One of the players I like (Cornelius Washington, OLB, Georgia) has climbed the boards recently. Mayock, listing him as a LB instead of DE has him at 54, PRO FOOTBALL WEEKLY has him at 45, and NFLDRAFTSCOUT has him at 147. Makes me think the latter one doesn't know what there doing.


April 21st, 2013, 3:33 pm
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liontrax wrote:
wjb21ndtown wrote:
Wow Gholston over Okafor, I'm surprised to see that one... I love the prospects around our 2nd round pick. If we blow that pick I'm going to be pissed.



So who do you like at 36? I think it depends on what we get in the 1st. One of the players I like (Cornelius Washington, OLB, Georgia) has climbed the boards recently. Mayock, listing him as a LB instead of DE has him at 54, PRO FOOTBALL WEEKLY has him at 45, and NFLDRAFTSCOUT has him at 147. Makes me think the latter one doesn't know what there doing.


I like Travis Fredrick at 36 myself. Maybe thats a little early.

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April 21st, 2013, 3:56 pm
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It depends who's there... I'm almost mad that we're kind of "set" at S now, it looks like there will probably be at least one starting caliber option available when we're picking. I'm a big fan of WR or CB in the 2nd round. If Trufant is available I wouldn't mind trading back up a few picks, or even into the very bottom of the 1st to get it done.

If we don't get a good OT in the first I'm going to be pissed. The only way I'll excuse it is if all three are off the board, or if our talent evaluators think that LJ isn't ready, we pass on him, AND it turns out they are right. He's cracking the top 10 in a lot of "value" charts these days. IMO it's not a reach to take a top 10 LT at 5, even if he's rated in the 6-10 range. A top LT is a top LT all day, as long as he can really play like one.

In the second round, I'm good with OG, RT, (depending on what our plans for Reiff are, but I'm good with drafting the hole that Reiff isn't filling), TE, CB, WR, DE or LB.

I'm leaning toward #2 WR, or #2 CB, but I really only want Trufant or Rhodes at CB. I don't know enough about Hayden to comment on him. There are a few guys I like in that rage at WR. I'm not really sold on the LB or DE in the second round, UNLESS they're a day one starter. I really can't see a 2nd round LB or DE that I think is worth giving up on Palmer/Lewis for. They've been in our system, and unless someone really talented falls, I have to think the experience and ability/maturity of Palmer/Lewis should win out. I also can't see someone bettering LoJack in the 2nd round, and like I've said before, we're more or less set at DE/DL, even through our "depth" to the point that a rookie DE may end up on the practice squad. I can see someone like Margus Hunt coming in and playing well, but I think it would mean releasing Young (which is fine with me), unless we don't bring LoJack back (which would also be fine with me... I like him, but IMO he's a below average starter).

That said, when I look at the crop of DEs/LBs, it makes the CBs and WRs look that much better. IMO a #2 WR is the missing piece to open up this offense. Another solid starter on the OL is always welcome, and a #2 CB, IMO is currently the most important void on the D (assuming we bring back LoJack).


April 21st, 2013, 4:33 pm
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I like Washington, there were some reports that he fit well in the wide-9 at the senior bowl so he maybe able to start day 1. I hope they stay away from Margus Hunt, he's so damn stiff and absolutely should be playing in a 3-4 or with the Jags in the Seattle style defense.

I think if Justin Hunter is there in the second they should run up to take him, he's probably the best WR in the draft. With all the other top guys having question marks Hunter is probably going way earlier than everyone thought early in the draft process, but I'm still holding out hope.

If the draft played out similar to the ratings I think it would be best for the lions to look for a trade down. With such an early pick in the second there has got to be a QB someone will want to trade up for and they should still have lots of good prospects available.

I also hope they look at Fredrick, but he should be there in the 3rd. The brought him in for a visit, so that is always a good sign.


April 21st, 2013, 5:18 pm
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I like Washington, there were some reports that he fit well in the wide-9 at the senior bowl so he maybe able to start day 1. I hope they stay away from Margus Hunt, he's so damn stiff and absolutely should be playing in a 3-4 or with the Jags in the Seattle style defense.

I think if Justin Hunter is there in the second they should run up to take him, he's probably the best WR in the draft. With all the other top guys having question marks Hunter is probably going way earlier than everyone thought early in the draft process, but I'm still holding out hope.

If the draft played out similar to the ratings I think it would be best for the lions to look for a trade down. With such an early pick in the second there has got to be a QB someone will want to trade up for and they should still have lots of good prospects available.

I also hope they look at Fredrick, but he should be there in the 3rd. The brought him in for a visit, so that is always a good sign.


I don't disagree that Hunt's body style isn't a great fit for our scheme, but he is mature (25) and he's "developed" physically. Most of these round 2 DEs are developmental guys that aren't going to play much in 2013. You could argue that we'd be setting ourselves up for 2014, but I don't think it's prudent to pass on guys that will help us this year (and going forward), for someone that won't play much in 2013.


April 21st, 2013, 5:23 pm
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wjb21ndtown wrote:
rao wrote:
I like Washington, there were some reports that he fit well in the wide-9 at the senior bowl so he maybe able to start day 1. I hope they stay away from Margus Hunt, he's so damn stiff and absolutely should be playing in a 3-4 or with the Jags in the Seattle style defense.

I think if Justin Hunter is there in the second they should run up to take him, he's probably the best WR in the draft. With all the other top guys having question marks Hunter is probably going way earlier than everyone thought early in the draft process, but I'm still holding out hope.

If the draft played out similar to the ratings I think it would be best for the lions to look for a trade down. With such an early pick in the second there has got to be a QB someone will want to trade up for and they should still have lots of good prospects available.

I also hope they look at Fredrick, but he should be there in the 3rd. The brought him in for a visit, so that is always a good sign.


I don't disagree that Hunt's body style isn't a great fit for our scheme, but he is mature (25) and he's "developed" physically. Most of these round 2 DEs are developmental guys that aren't going to play much in 2013. You could argue that we'd be setting ourselves up for 2014, but I don't think it's prudent to pass on guys that will help us this year (and going forward), for someone that won't play much in 2013.


I agree about most of the guys probably not being ready. I like Washington because I think like Hunt he's already maxed out and I think he could be effective from day 1. If they took Hunt I don't think he would do anything more than stuff the run for them which they could just sign Lojack or another cheap FA for that. If Werner fell I would also be content with adding him in the 2nd, but overall I think WR is going to be the sweetspot for talent in the 2nd. There are a load of WR1/WR2 guys that should hit the 2nd and even though there will be good WRs that fall to the later rounds I think this is a chance to get a playmaker instead of a just a guy to pull a safety.


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