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2010
Suh
Best (reitred)
Spievey (out of the league)
Fox (starting RT for Dolphins)
Young (occasional starter for Bears)
Toone (out of the league)

2011
Fairley
Young (out of the league)
Leshoure (out of the league)
Hogue (out of the league)
Culbreath (out of the league)

So if the Lions don't resign Suh or Fairley, they literally will have no players from the 2010 and 2011 drafts on their roster.


March 6th, 2015, 12:14 pm
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As far as I can tell, lauded drafters Green Bay only have one player on their roster from the 2011 draft (Cobb).

And let me say, it's different when a player is at the end of their contract and their good play earns them a contract the original team can't/won't match (Suh, Fairley, Young). As opposed to Millen drafts, where everyone was out of the league when all was said and done.

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March 12th, 2015, 7:25 am
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Post Re: 2010, 2011 Drafts
thelomasbrowns wrote:
As far as I can tell, lauded drafters Green Bay only have one player on their roster from the 2011 draft (Cobb).

And let me say, it's different when a player is at the end of their contract and their good play earns them a contract the original team can't/won't match (Suh, Fairley, Young). As opposed to Millen drafts, where everyone was out of the league when all was said and done.


Difference is, Green Bay didn't screw the pooch two years in a row. And look at Mayhew's overall body of work and tell me he's been all that and a bag of chips. All the players in red below are not on the team. In four drafts (2009 to 2012) we had 29 picks and have retained 7 players. Four of those are starters. We lack depth for a reason. What's worse, we had six first round picks, and only have three of them left from those four drafts.

Mayhew just sucks.

2014
1 1 10 10 Eric Ebron TE North Carolina
2 2 8 40 Kyle Van Noy LB Brigham Young
3 3 12 76 Travis Swanson C Arkansas
4 4 33 133 Nevin Lawson DB Utah State
5 4 36 136 Larry Webster DE Bloomsburg (PA)
6 5 18 158 Caraun Reid DT Princeton
7 6 13 189 T.J. Jones WR Notre Dame
8 7 14 229 Nate Freese K Boston College
2013
1 1 5 5 Ziggy Ansah DE Brigham Young
2 2 4 36 Darius Slay DB Mississippi State
3 3 3 65 Larry Warford G Kentucky
4 4 35 132 Devin Taylor DE South Carolina
5 5 32 165 Sam Martin P Appalachian State
6 6 3 171 Corey Fuller WR Virginia Tech
7 6 31 199 Theo Riddick RB Notre Dame
8 7 5 211 Michael Williams TE Alabama
9 7 39 245 Brandon Hepburn LB Florida A&M

2012
1 1 23 23 Riley Reiff T Iowa
2 2 22 54 Ryan Broyles WR Oklahoma
3 3 22 85 Dwight Bentley DB Louisiana-Lafayette
4 4 30 125 Ronnell Lewis LB Oklahoma
5 5 3 138 Tahir Whitehead LB Temple
6 5 13 148 Chris Greenwood DB Albion
7 6 26 196 Jonte Green DB New Mexico State

8 7 16 223 Travis Lewis LB Oklahoma
2011
1 1 13 13 Nick Fairley DT Auburn
2 2 12 44 Titus Young WR Boise State
3 2 25 57 Mikel Leshoure RB Illinois
4 5 26 157 Douglas Hogue LB Syracuse
5 7 6 209 Johnny Culbreath T South Carolina State

2010
1 1 2 2 Ndamukong Suh DT Nebraska
2 1 30 30 Jahvid Best RB California
3 3 2 66 Amari Spievey DB Iowa
4 4 30 128 Jason Fox T Miami (FL)
5 7 6 213 Willie Young DE North Carolina State

6 7 48 255 Timothy Toone WR Weber State
2009
1 1 1 1 Matthew Stafford QB Georgia
2 1 20 20 Brandon Pettigrew TE Oklahoma State
3 2 1 33 Louis Delmas DB Western Michigan
4 3 12 76 DeAndre Levy LB Wisconsin
5 3 18 82 Derrick Williams WR Penn State
6 4 15 115 Sammie Lee Hill DT Stillman
7 6 19 192 Aaron Brown RB Texas Christian
8 7 19 228 Lydon Murtha T Nebraska
9 7 26 235 Zack Follett LB California
10 7 46 255 Dan Gronkowski TE Maryland

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March 12th, 2015, 9:23 pm
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I agree our drafts have sucked with the exception of 2013, just doing a little editing, Michael Williams is still on the team and Timmy Toone is not.


March 12th, 2015, 10:27 pm
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Post Re: 2010, 2011 Drafts
Broyles is also still on the team.

Mayhew's previous drafts weren't good but they aren't as bad as everyone tries to make them out to be. Delmas, Hill, and Murtha all started games for other teams after they left the Lions, same with Fox and Young. 2011 was pretty bad other than Fairley, but once you hit 2012 you start to see better results leading to a great draft in 2013. Last years draft is getting killed because of the Ebron pick, but it's got some good prospects in it that just didn't see the field much yet. Lawson had the most freakish Ankle injury ever, Jones, Reid, and Webster were drafted to sit and learn, Swanson showed some production, and Van Noy IMO never really got started because of the groin.


March 12th, 2015, 10:50 pm
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Post Re: 2010, 2011 Drafts
Corrected the Few - Bolded those in Red who are Still Active in the NFL, which means the pick wasn't bad, we just couldn't (or didn't want to) hold onto the player. [Please correct me if I missed something]

m2karateman wrote:

2014
1 1 10 10 Eric Ebron TE North Carolina
2 2 8 40 Kyle Van Noy LB Brigham Young
3 3 12 76 Travis Swanson C Arkansas
4 4 33 133 Nevin Lawson DB Utah State
5 4 36 136 Larry Webster DE Bloomsburg (PA)
6 5 18 158 Caraun Reid DT Princeton
7 6 13 189 T.J. Jones WR Notre Dame
8 7 14 229 Nate Freese K Boston College
2013
1 1 5 5 Ziggy Ansah DE Brigham Young
2 2 4 36 Darius Slay DB Mississippi State
3 3 3 65 Larry Warford G Kentucky
4 4 35 132 Devin Taylor DE South Carolina
5 5 32 165 Sam Martin P Appalachian State
6 6 3 171 Corey Fuller WR Virginia Tech
7 6 31 199 Theo Riddick RB Notre Dame
8 7 5 211 Michael Williams TE Alabama
9 7 39 245 Brandon Hepburn LB Florida A&M
2012
1 1 23 23 Riley Reiff T Iowa
2 2 22 54 Ryan Broyles WR Oklahoma
3 3 22 85 Dwight Bentley DB Louisiana-Lafayette
4 4 30 125 Ronnell Lewis LB Oklahoma
5 5 3 138 Tahir Whitehead LB Temple
6 5 13 148 Chris Greenwood DB Albion
7 6 26 196 Jonte Green DB New Mexico State

8 7 16 223 Travis Lewis LB Oklahoma
2011
1 1 13 13 Nick Fairley DT Auburn
2 2 12 44 Titus Young WR Boise State
3 2 25 57 Mikel Leshoure RB Illinois
4 5 26 157 Douglas Hogue LB Syracuse
5 7 6 209 Johnny Culbreath T South Carolina State

2010
1 1 2 2 Ndamukong Suh DT Nebraska
2 1 30 30 Jahvid Best RB California
3 3 2 66 Amari Spievey DB Iowa
4 4 30 128 Jason Fox T Miami (FL)
5 7 6 213 Willie Young DE North Carolina State
6 7 48 255 Timothy Toone WR Weber State

2009
1 1 1 1 Matthew Stafford QB Georgia
2 1 20 20 Brandon Pettigrew TE Oklahoma State
3 2 1 33 Louis Delmas DB Western Michigan
4 3 12 76 DeAndre Levy LB Wisconsin
5 3 18 82 Derrick Williams WR Penn State
6 4 15 115 Sammie Lee Hill DT Stillman
7 6 19 192 Aaron Brown RB Texas Christian
8 7 19 228 Lydon Murtha T Nebraska
9 7 26 235 Zack Follett LB California
10 7 46 255 Dan Gronkowski TE Maryland


March 13th, 2015, 1:16 pm
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Post Re: 2010, 2011 Drafts
I would say there's a good chance Broyles isn't on the roster next year. Ditto Travis Lewis. That would devastate the 2012 draft, leaving just Reiff and Whitehead, and maybe Bentley if he recovers from his injury.

That would suggest that the Lions will be pretty bad next year. I guarantee if you look at the playoff teams after next season, their cores will all be made of players found in the 2010-2012 drafts.


March 13th, 2015, 3:25 pm
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Blueskies wrote:
I would say there's a good chance Broyles isn't on the roster next year. Ditto Travis Lewis. That would devastate the 2012 draft, leaving just Reiff and Whitehead, and maybe Bentley if he recovers from his injury.

That would suggest that the Lions will be pretty bad next year. I guarantee if you look at the playoff teams after next season, their cores will all be made of players found in the 2010-2012 drafts.


The question is outside of Stafford and CJ, what do you consider the Lions core players and how much are those guys getting paid? Unfortunately the Lions are always going to be at a slight disadvantage because Staff and CJ both take up so much of the cap but if the rest of their best starters match up with the cost as other teams best starters it makes those players from previous drafts leaving mean very little. The Lions have managed to get decent depth out of a lot of cheap players as of late and that can lead to their team to look pretty similar to other playoff teams just using low cost FAs instead of their draft picks from 2010-2012. Guys like Waddle, Lucas, Bynes, Quddus, and Johnson aren't much different than many other teams 3rd-5th round picks from 2010-2012.


March 13th, 2015, 4:18 pm
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Post Re: 2010, 2011 Drafts
Reiff, Levy, Slay, Ansah -- these are all core guys. Just players you can bank on to start most of the season. And every playoff caliber team is paying their QB big bucks (or will be shortly). Otherwise they aren't a playoff team.

It's nice to add a FA here and there, and grab an UDFA, but it's been shown that most of the consistently great teams are built from the draft. The Lions could have a stellar season next year, but those bad drafts have left a big hole in the roster, and I think it's going to show up in the loss column next year.


March 13th, 2015, 4:42 pm
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Blueskies wrote:
Reiff, Levy, Slay, Ansah -- these are all core guys. Just players you can bank on to start most of the season. And every playoff caliber team is paying their QB big bucks (or will be shortly). Otherwise they aren't a playoff team.

It's nice to add a FA here and there, and grab an UDFA, but it's been shown that most of the consistently great teams are built from the draft. The Lions could have a stellar season next year, but those bad drafts have left a big hole in the roster, and I think it's going to show up in the loss column next year.


I agree the most consistent teams have built from the draft. What I think we have to look forward to with the Lions if they can make this low cost FA strat work again in 2015 is that their drafting has shown big improvement. I think they have done well this last year fixing the depth problem and are starting to look like a team with talent and not just a team of backups. They aren't fully there yet because they need to see some of these recent draft picks really become solid starters, but this coaching staff could be the missing piece to start making that happen. I understand what your saying about those bad drafts and next season could easily go right back to terrible. But with no dead money after this year the Lions just need to make this season work and they will really have the team moving in a direction to be one of those consistent teams using the draft, while being able to retain their stars. They have done a good job finding the right FAs at prices that make up for the poor drafting in previous years, if they can manage it again this year I think they will finally be over the legacy of the Millen era.


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Believe we're long past repercussions of the Millen era. It's the Mayhew era that's killing us. I have hope that Caldwell and his coaches wil have more influence in draft decisions. Can't be any worse than what we've had, and I trust he has a better eye for talent, and an understanding of what this team needs. To me free agency is a tool to plug the obvious holes with band-aid's to stop the bleeding while we draft replacements to develop into starters. Big money free agents are often a waste of money and a disappointment, so I agree with your " low cost FA " attitude.


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liontrax wrote:
Believe we're long past repercussions of the Millen era. It's the Mayhew era that's killing us. I have hope that Caldwell and his coaches wil have more influence in draft decisions. Can't be any worse than what we've had, and I trust he has a better eye for talent, and an understanding of what this team needs. To me free agency is a tool to plug the obvious holes with band-aid's to stop the bleeding while we draft replacements to develop into starters. Big money free agents are often a waste of money and a disappointment, so I agree with your " low cost FA " attitude.


The Lions best draft came before Caldwell got here, so far it seems the best draft the Lions have had is when they left the coaches out of it.

I agree with the way you feel FAs should be used, but because of the big 3 taking up so much cap room the Lions never had the option to develop their draft picks because they couldn't afford to get free agents to fill the gaps. Their rookies almost always had to be thrown to the wolves from the start because they never had enough cap space to fill every hole.


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Corrected the Few - Bolded those in Red who are Still Active in the NFL, which means the pick wasn't bad, we just couldn't (or didn't want to) hold onto the player. [Please correct me if I missed something]

m2karateman wrote:

2014
1 1 10 10 Eric Ebron TE North Carolina
2 2 8 40 Kyle Van Noy LB Brigham Young
3 3 12 76 Travis Swanson C Arkansas
4 4 33 133 Nevin Lawson DB Utah State
5 4 36 136 Larry Webster DE Bloomsburg (PA)
6 5 18 158 Caraun Reid DT Princeton
7 6 13 189 T.J. Jones WR Notre Dame
8 7 14 229 Nate Freese K Boston College
2013
1 1 5 5 Ziggy Ansah DE Brigham Young
2 2 4 36 Darius Slay DB Mississippi State
3 3 3 65 Larry Warford G Kentucky
4 4 35 132 Devin Taylor DE South Carolina
5 5 32 165 Sam Martin P Appalachian State
6 6 3 171 Corey Fuller WR Virginia Tech
7 6 31 199 Theo Riddick RB Notre Dame
8 7 5 211 Michael Williams TE Alabama
9 7 39 245 Brandon Hepburn LB Florida A&M
2012
1 1 23 23 Riley Reiff T Iowa
2 2 22 54 Ryan Broyles WR Oklahoma
3 3 22 85 Dwight Bentley DB Louisiana-Lafayette
4 4 30 125 Ronnell Lewis LB Oklahoma
5 5 3 138 Tahir Whitehead LB Temple
6 5 13 148 Chris Greenwood DB Albion
7 6 26 196 Jonte Green DB New Mexico State

8 7 16 223 Travis Lewis LB Oklahoma
2011
1 1 13 13 Nick Fairley DT Auburn
2 2 12 44 Titus Young WR Boise State
3 2 25 57 Mikel Leshoure RB Illinois
4 5 26 157 Douglas Hogue LB Syracuse
5 7 6 209 Johnny Culbreath T South Carolina State

2010
1 1 2 2 Ndamukong Suh DT Nebraska
2 1 30 30 Jahvid Best RB California
3 3 2 66 Amari Spievey DB Iowa
4 4 30 128 Jason Fox T Miami (FL)
5 7 6 213 Willie Young DE North Carolina State
6 7 48 255 Timothy Toone WR Weber State

2009
1 1 1 1 Matthew Stafford QB Georgia
2 1 20 20 Brandon Pettigrew TE Oklahoma State
3 2 1 33 Louis Delmas DB Western Michigan
4 3 12 76 DeAndre Levy LB Wisconsin
5 3 18 82 Derrick Williams WR Penn State
6 4 15 115 Sammie Lee Hill DT Stillman
7 6 19 192 Aaron Brown RB Texas Christian
8 7 19 228 Lydon Murtha T Nebraska
9 7 26 235 Zack Follett LB California
10 7 46 255 Dan Gronkowski TE Maryland


Hepburn is on the Eagles, which just further proves how ridiculous that draft was.

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I would say there's a good chance Broyles isn't on the roster next year. Ditto Travis Lewis. That would devastate the 2012 draft, leaving just Reiff and Whitehead, and maybe Bentley if he recovers from his injury.

That would suggest that the Lions will be pretty bad next year. I guarantee if you look at the playoff teams after next season, their cores will all be made of players found in the 2010-2012 drafts.


Didn't they shorten rookie contracts in the new CBA in exchange for imposing the rookie wage scale? If they did, I don't know if the part in bold holds up.

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March 14th, 2015, 8:00 am
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liontrax wrote:
Believe we're long past repercussions of the Millen era. It's the Mayhew era that's killing us. I have hope that Caldwell and his coaches wil have more influence in draft decisions. Can't be any worse than what we've had, and I trust he has a better eye for talent, and an understanding of what this team needs. To me free agency is a tool to plug the obvious holes with band-aid's to stop the bleeding while we draft replacements to develop into starters. Big money free agents are often a waste of money and a disappointment, so I agree with your " low cost FA " attitude.


The Lions best draft came before Caldwell got here, so far it seems the best draft the Lions have had is when they left the coaches out of it.

I agree with the way you feel FAs should be used, but because of the big 3 taking up so much cap room the Lions never had the option to develop their draft picks because they couldn't afford to get free agents to fill the gaps. Their rookies almost always had to be thrown to the wolves from the start because they never had enough cap space to fill every hole.


Last year's draft seems more like the Coaching staff's doing than Mahew's, Ebron screams of Lombardi interference, and Van Noy seems like a typical Caldwell "High character" guy. Like Rao said, maybe the FO should handle this year's draft without interference from the coaching staff and see what happens, it can't be much worse than last year's debacle.


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