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Lewis can flat out cover. He s a solid pick in the 2nd round where he ll wrongly fall bc of size. I think whoever gets him will be very happy. He fits an NFL scheme better than the more hyped player Peppers who teams may struggle to find the proper position for. I dont think Peppers can play corner and he d have to add weight to play linebacker. He s probably a safety but thats not really what he s played up to this point. As for Taco, he could turn out fine but I d rather have Lewis than him as Lewis appears to be the guy more likely to hit the ground running.


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Lewis can flat out cover. He s a solid pick in the 2nd round where he ll wrongly fall bc of size. I think whoever gets him will be very happy. He fits an NFL scheme better than the more hyped player Peppers who teams may struggle to find the proper position for. I dont think Peppers can play corner and he d have to add weight to play linebacker. He s probably a safety but thats not really what he s played up to this point. As for Taco, he could turn out fine but I d rather have Lewis than him as Lewis appears to be the guy more likely to hit the ground running.


Agree but think peppers will be fine. I do think it will be as a Safety, who could easily be 1 of the best to ever play the game if he continues to work at it. THat Physical Talent + the ability to absorb playbooks. Need to get him focused on 1 position, and then let him dominate. That said I dont think he will be dominant in his first NFL season after bouncing around.

Lewis I think will have a Brent Grimes like style (Short, Excels at Man to Man, Fast, Hard Worker) and agree that he would be a great 2nd round pick.


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The Legend wrote:
Lewis can flat out cover. He s a solid pick in the 2nd round where he ll wrongly fall bc of size. I think whoever gets him will be very happy. He fits an NFL scheme better than the more hyped player Peppers who teams may struggle to find the proper position for. I dont think Peppers can play corner and he d have to add weight to play linebacker. He s probably a safety but thats not really what he s played up to this point. As for Taco, he could turn out fine but I d rather have Lewis than him as Lewis appears to be the guy more likely to hit the ground running.


Agree but think peppers will be fine. I do think it will be as a Safety, who could easily be 1 of the best to ever play the game if he continues to work at it. THat Physical Talent + the ability to absorb playbooks. Need to get him focused on 1 position, and then let him dominate. That said I dont think he will be dominant in his first NFL season after bouncing around.

Lewis I think will have a Brent Grimes like style (Short, Excels at Man to Man, Fast, Hard Worker) and agree that he would be a great 2nd round pick.



Depends on how well Peppers can cover. With teams running a lil more again he could be a very good strong safety but it reverts back to both safeties being interchangeable free safeties I think he ll struggle. Teams maybe have to make him a joker type of player like how UM has used him - covers backs or takes one drops, plays run support, dangerous speed rusher, etc


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Lewis can flat out cover. He s a solid pick in the 2nd round where he ll wrongly fall bc of size. I think whoever gets him will be very happy. He fits an NFL scheme better than the more hyped player Peppers who teams may struggle to find the proper position for. I dont think Peppers can play corner and he d have to add weight to play linebacker. He s probably a safety but thats not really what he s played up to this point. As for Taco, he could turn out fine but I d rather have Lewis than him as Lewis appears to be the guy more likely to hit the ground running.


Agreed on Lewis. One of my favorite Michigan players in a long time and a shutdown corner from day one IMO.

I think Peppers would be great fit in Austin's defense--see what they did with Killebrew last year and others in previous years. Seeing as how he would also shore up the PR/KR spot immediately, I think he's a good candidate for the Lions.

Taco's the dream pick, but there's no way he lasts until 21.

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The Legend wrote:
Lewis can flat out cover. He s a solid pick in the 2nd round where he ll wrongly fall bc of size. I think whoever gets him will be very happy. He fits an NFL scheme better than the more hyped player Peppers who teams may struggle to find the proper position for. I dont think Peppers can play corner and he d have to add weight to play linebacker. He s probably a safety but thats not really what he s played up to this point. As for Taco, he could turn out fine but I d rather have Lewis than him as Lewis appears to be the guy more likely to hit the ground running.


Agreed on Lewis. One of my favorite Michigan players in a long time and a shutdown corner from day one IMO.

I think Peppers would be great fit in Austin's defense--see what they did with Killebrew last year and others in previous years. Seeing as how he would also shore up the PR/KR spot immediately, I think he's a good candidate for the Lions.

Taco's the dream pick, but there's no way he lasts until 21.


I think the term shut down corner gets thrown around too often. Not saying he can't be but shut down is usually the very top tier of corners.

I think Taco could be there at 21, he's a good player for sure but some games he dominates and some times he's non existent. I'm a spartan fan and f'n hate UofM but Taco is good and he would be a good pick for sure.


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kdsberman wrote:
thelomasbrowns wrote:
The Legend wrote:
Lewis can flat out cover. He s a solid pick in the 2nd round where he ll wrongly fall bc of size. I think whoever gets him will be very happy. He fits an NFL scheme better than the more hyped player Peppers who teams may struggle to find the proper position for. I dont think Peppers can play corner and he d have to add weight to play linebacker. He s probably a safety but thats not really what he s played up to this point. As for Taco, he could turn out fine but I d rather have Lewis than him as Lewis appears to be the guy more likely to hit the ground running.


Agreed on Lewis. One of my favorite Michigan players in a long time and a shutdown corner from day one IMO.

I think Peppers would be great fit in Austin's defense--see what they did with Killebrew last year and others in previous years. Seeing as how he would also shore up the PR/KR spot immediately, I think he's a good candidate for the Lions.

Taco's the dream pick, but there's no way he lasts until 21.


I think the term shut down corner gets thrown around too often. Not saying he can't be but shut down is usually the very top tier of corners.

I think Taco could be there at 21, he's a good player for sure but some games he dominates and some times he's non existent. I'm a spartan fan and f'n hate UofM but Taco is good and he would be a good pick for sure.


I am not as big on Taco as most of you guys apparently are. I think Taco's success is largely due to Wormly.
I mean Taco still had to make his plays. Not trying to take that from him. But, without Wormly, Taco isn't a 1st rounder.


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kdsberman wrote:
thelomasbrowns wrote:
The Legend wrote:
Lewis can flat out cover. He s a solid pick in the 2nd round where he ll wrongly fall bc of size. I think whoever gets him will be very happy. He fits an NFL scheme better than the more hyped player Peppers who teams may struggle to find the proper position for. I dont think Peppers can play corner and he d have to add weight to play linebacker. He s probably a safety but thats not really what he s played up to this point. As for Taco, he could turn out fine but I d rather have Lewis than him as Lewis appears to be the guy more likely to hit the ground running.


Agreed on Lewis. One of my favorite Michigan players in a long time and a shutdown corner from day one IMO.

I think Peppers would be great fit in Austin's defense--see what they did with Killebrew last year and others in previous years. Seeing as how he would also shore up the PR/KR spot immediately, I think he's a good candidate for the Lions.

Taco's the dream pick, but there's no way he lasts until 21.


I think the term shut down corner gets thrown around too often. Not saying he can't be but shut down is usually the very top tier of corners.

I think Taco could be there at 21, he's a good player for sure but some games he dominates and some times he's non existent. I'm a spartan fan and f'n hate UofM but Taco is good and he would be a good pick for sure.


I am not as big on Taco as most of you guys apparently are. I think Taco's success is largely due to Wormly.
I mean Taco still had to make his plays. Not trying to take that from him. But, without Wormly, Taco isn't a 1st rounder.


I don't have him as high as most either, but I do believe end of 1st round. I sometimes think we could drop a few spots and still get him. I just hope Quinn doesn't put a premium on UofM players just to make fans happy whether they're great or not.


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kdsberman wrote:
BillySims wrote:
kdsberman wrote:
thelomasbrowns wrote:
The Legend wrote:
Lewis can flat out cover. He s a solid pick in the 2nd round where he ll wrongly fall bc of size. I think whoever gets him will be very happy. He fits an NFL scheme better than the more hyped player Peppers who teams may struggle to find the proper position for. I dont think Peppers can play corner and he d have to add weight to play linebacker. He s probably a safety but thats not really what he s played up to this point. As for Taco, he could turn out fine but I d rather have Lewis than him as Lewis appears to be the guy more likely to hit the ground running.


Agreed on Lewis. One of my favorite Michigan players in a long time and a shutdown corner from day one IMO.

I think Peppers would be great fit in Austin's defense--see what they did with Killebrew last year and others in previous years. Seeing as how he would also shore up the PR/KR spot immediately, I think he's a good candidate for the Lions.

Taco's the dream pick, but there's no way he lasts until 21.


I think the term shut down corner gets thrown around too often. Not saying he can't be but shut down is usually the very top tier of corners.

I think Taco could be there at 21, he's a good player for sure but some games he dominates and some times he's non existent. I'm a spartan fan and f'n hate UofM but Taco is good and he would be a good pick for sure.


I am not as big on Taco as most of you guys apparently are. I think Taco's success is largely due to Wormly.
I mean Taco still had to make his plays. Not trying to take that from him. But, without Wormly, Taco isn't a 1st rounder.


I don't have him as high as most either, but I do believe end of 1st round. I sometimes think we could drop a few spots and still get him. I just hope Quinn doesn't put a premium on UofM players just to make fans happy whether they're great or not.


Don't see Quinn being that narrow minded. Charlton's an intriguing prospect, and fits with our defense if they're looking for long tall edge rusher. The knock on him is being just a one year starter. Lewis is a 3rd round corner to me, in a draft filled with CB's that possess better size and speed (5'10" height, ran a pedestrian 4.54 at the combine, I expected better). Peppers is just a baller, and could be a very exciting addition to the back seven, no matter how he's utilized (super safety/linebacker/kr?).


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Yep. I see Peppers used like Pittsburgh used to use Polamalu. He isnt quite that physical but he is always where the ball is and knows how to tackle. He can Blitz, he can cover TEs and RBs. And He was just as fast as some of the corners.


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Jordan Lewis just tripped and fell into the 5th or 6th round.


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Jordan Lewis just tripped and fell into the 5th or 6th round.


Yup. He sure did.


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Lewis made a tweet that sounds like he is saying his girlfriend is making it up. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out because if he tries to say she is lying and he is the one actually lying, then he will be crucified in the media.


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Don't want to shame the victim, but the timing of the whole thing is a bit suspicious. Lewis is by all accounts a stand up guy, and he often credits his girlfriend with steering him in the right direction.

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Lions were at Youngstown State Pro day scouting DE Derek Rivers. Gives a nice look at what they are looking for at DE in the draft. Rivers is 6'4 250 with speed, so it looks like they are just looking for a pass rusher first and not a closed end specifically. I like this because I was thinking they would be limited to the big LDE options, but this puts a lot more options on the board. It also may explain why we haven't seen them add a pass rushing DT in FA. With two primary pass rushing ends they may want a stronger middle against the run.


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Lions were at Youngstown State Pro day scouting DE Derek Rivers. Gives a nice look at what they are looking for at DE in the draft. Rivers is 6'4 250 with speed, so it looks like they are just looking for a pass rusher first and not a closed end specifically. I like this because I was thinking they would be limited to the big LDE options, but this puts a lot more options on the board. It also may explain why we haven't seen them add a pass rushing DT in FA. With two primary pass rushing ends they may want a stronger middle against the run.


I agree. And with this draft class there are a ton of pass rushing specialist type defensive ends.


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