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lightning_in_a_bottle wrote:
Waaahhh they gave health care to everybody waaaaahhhhh I'm gonna get subsidies to buy insurance waaaahhh insurers will have to compete for our business waaahhhhh i won't get booted for a pre existing condition.

You guys are pathetic.


The Government does not give you anything!!! You pay for it with tax money. Insurers will not compete for insurance, the Government just gave them millions of healthy young people who now have to pay for insurance they don't need. The Insurance Companies are celebrating and high fiving their lobyist. Your last argument could actually be the only one that has any merit, so why not address this issue on it's own with the insurance companies?

I'll tell you how this goes down. The Dems will get voted out, and the Health Care fiasco will all become the Republicans fault, because the Dems were not able to follow through with the program. The record is old and boring. Get over yourself LIAB!

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lightning_in_a_bottle wrote:
Waaahhh they gave health care to everybody waaaaahhhhh I'm gonna get subsidies to buy insurance waaaahhh insurers will have to compete for our business waaahhhhh i won't get booted for a pre existing condition.

You guys are pathetic.


No, what's pathetic LIAB is the fact that you cannot accept that this is a catastrophe about to happen. Getting healthcare to everyone is not the issue, but it's all the other crap that was included in this bill.

Other countries that have government run healthcare have a litany of issues going on with their citizens NOT getting healthcare like they should.

Why don't you do some research on this issue, open your mind to the fact that Obama and his crew of misfits are f*#king up this country in a major way, and then maybe people will take you seriously on this forum.


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Waaahhh they gave health care to everybody waaaaahhhhh I'm gonna get subsidies to buy insurance waaaahhh insurers will have to compete for our business waaahhhhh i won't get booted for a pre existing condition.

You guys are pathetic.


Spoken like an Uber-educated elitists! As I alluded to earlier, the "your vote matters" slogan is a complete farce! Washington has proven that it will NOT listen to the people. 63% said No, not this bill, that's a 2/3 majority from the public, and still they passed this p.o.c.

What is developing is the terms for a revolt, and that would be devastating to this nation. Absolute Anarchy! The violence is yet to come, there are those on the fringe that are ANGRY about not being heard or respected, and they will react. ()as seen by protestors spitting on Congressmen)

Those with cool heads will try to fight this legally, and then oust everyone in November.

I wonder if the leadership of this country can be brought up on charges of Hijacking? At the very least they should be removed from office for breach of contract, as they did not fulfill their responsibilities. I'm sure there are some lawyers here that could enlighten the rest of us.

WJB: I know it sounds crazy, and I wish it weren't true, but I have seen it with my own eyes. Spend any amount of time in the inner city housing developments, apply for an apartment and you will see.

One: you quickly find that you make too much money, you don't qualify
Two: they will want all income history, Taniff, SSI, Child Support, and W2 if you have one. There are other sources of income too, including Welfare info.
three: if you were to qualify, you have income based housing (Schedule 42) or Section 8. Schedule 42 takes a percentage rate fo what you make, no more than 60% and they figure your rent off of that. So then you pay the rent off of this adjusted income. Section 8 is free ride government flips the bill. I have residents living in a newly remodeled School that should be Condos, that market rate goes for $700 to 900 per month, paying $37 a month in rent. Guess who's picking up the rest of that tab? Now multiply that by millions!

Here's my plan for my presidency (yeah right):
Welfare reform: 1. Mandatory Drug tests to recieve the check
2. Get a job, government will off set the balance
money needed. If you make $1200/month and
you need $1500, the government will pay 1/3.
That means you are responsible for $700.00
3. If you can't find a job, community service jobs
through CDC's, or through the City will be done in
lieu of employment. Jobs: cleaning parks, roads,
tearing down abandoned homes, or remodeling them,
and so on. Minimum $10.00 salary, limited benefits
for on the job injuries.
Slogan: "You don't eat if you don't work"
Medical Care: Reform what we USED TO have:
1. Frivilous lawsuits out.
2. Double pay (hospital charges then doctor charges) out: 1 bill for all work done.
3. Health care clinics. Like medical sick call in the military, utilize students in trainig past a certain level of training to get hands on experience. Including Military medical trainees, and civilian trainees.
4. Pharmaceutical companies: National and International companies here in the U.S. will pay into a yearly fund, non-negotiable, that will help cover the cost of medicines. This will coincide with profit limits set for companies affiliated with the medical industry. You can make a profit, but be reasonable. 30% profit margin seems fair.
5. Enact tax breaks for people who take part in wellness programs

For the Corporate America:
1. Profit limits just like medical care.
2. Utilize natural resources as needed at this point, strongly research alternatives
3. Enact a non-negotiable fund that Corporate America must pay into that will go towards Education. You want a quality work force, help pay for their college.
4. Get rid of many frivilous taxes that tie up Corporate profits, forcing them to turn costs on the public.
5. Mandatory Wage limits. This will become negotiable as the economy stabilizes or profits. The more integrity and productivity that comes back into Corprate America, the better chances for Wage limit increases.

Government:
Smaller is better: No more $350 hammers. Cut the corruption deliberately. Mandatory wage limits, Congress included. No special interest money allowed! No more lifetime pay for Congress or Presidents, they receive plenty in book tours and such after their term in office. Mandatory Term limits, two terms for everyone in the Capital enviroment. Oust these career politicians!

So as you can see, this is my platform, and I would catch a bullet shortly after bringin this to light. The corrupticrats in Washington are absolutely ridiculous, and they know it, we can only hope and pray that the damage can be undone in November.

I do wonder what was hidden in the bill that was absolutely necessary to force this through. There's got to be more than what they are telling us. Hmmm, I wonder.

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So i think we are all in agreeance. In the words of Pope John Paul II, "We're boned!"


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Yes insurers will have many more healthy people, but they will also have to accept the sick. So it's a wash in that respect, basically. And why do you think the health insurers have fought this tooth and nail? They obviously didn't think it's in their interest.

This is not a government takeover of healthcare. This is federal regulation of the health care insurance industry, which up until now has resembled the wild west. Now that there's a real bill that is a) not scary and b) provides a lot of benefits the Republicans are sh***ing their pants--no more scaring the American people with this Communist takeover nonsense. The same thing happened in the run up to passing medicare and now look--the Republicans tried to use an imaginary decrease in medicare benefits as an argument against the bill. Face it, on this one, you guys lost, and the American people won.

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lightning_in_a_bottle wrote:
Yes insurers will have many more healthy people, but they will also have to accept the sick. So it's a wash in that respect, basically. And why do you think the health insurers have fought this tooth and nail? They obviously didn't think it's in their interest.


IIRC the heath insurance companys were backing/supporting this legislation, no? And we still don't know what was included in the "negotiations" for their support and upfront $$$ Me thinks its not good.

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lightning_in_a_bottle wrote:
The same thing happened in the run up to passing medicare and now look--the Republicans tried to use an imaginary decrease in medicare benefits as an argument against the bill. Face it, on this one, you guys lost, and the American people won.


Oh so "the American people" are the 37% who wanted it, and poop on the 63% who didn't. Weird.


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Hystrix wrote:
lightning_in_a_bottle wrote:
The same thing happened in the run up to passing medicare and now look--the Republicans tried to use an imaginary decrease in medicare benefits as an argument against the bill. Face it, on this one, you guys lost, and the American people won.


Oh so "the American people" are the 37% who wanted it, and poop on the 63% who didn't. Weird.


Bingo...

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TheRealWags wrote:
lightning_in_a_bottle wrote:
Yes insurers will have many more healthy people, but they will also have to accept the sick. So it's a wash in that respect, basically. And why do you think the health insurers have fought this tooth and nail? They obviously didn't think it's in their interest.


IIRC the heath insurance companys were backing/supporting this legislation, no? And we still don't know what was included in the "negotiations" for their support and upfront $$$ Me thinks its not good.


Hospitals and drug companies, yes. Health insurance companies definitely not.

Regarding the polls: those polls are reflect people's ignorance of what's in the bill. I guarantee if you polled the individual provisions there would be widespread support.

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There's a poll about the health care bill on the Detroit News website. Here are the results so far:

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Happy or relieved 25.34%
Anxious or uncertain 9.74%
Angry or distraught 64.92%


Virtually every poll I've looked at so far has similar results. Socialism Wins! The American People Lose!

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lightning_in_a_bottle wrote:
Regarding the polls: those polls are reflect people's ignorance of what's in the bill.

I believe the opposite is true. Those supporting this monstrosity are the ignorant ones. :D

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Virtually every poll I've looked at so far has similar results. Socialism Wins! The American People Lose!


I may not support this particular legislation, it is a FAR cry from Socialism.

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TheRealWags wrote:
slybri19 wrote:
Virtually every poll I've looked at so far has similar results. Socialism Wins! The American People Lose!


I may not support this particular legislation, it is a FAR cry from Socialism.

I know, but it's the first step toward getting there.. I'm just trying to even out the liberal rhetoric I read earlier from you know who. :lol:

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Regarding the polls: those polls are reflect people's ignorance of what's in the bill. I guarantee if you polled the individual provisions there would be widespread support.

Hello McFLy! You act as if a bill exists! THESE IDIOTS in Washington voted on NOTHING!!!!!!!!! They voted on a blank piece of paper that does not exists, and now they will back handedly fashion something that is a hybrid of the two pieces of legislation. Executive Orders do NOT RESCEND law, and so we will be paying for a whole bunch of stuff that is 1. illegal, 2. not wanted and 3. unknown because the "transparent" Congress has kept us in the dark.

Are you sure you went to U of M? Is that University of Moscow, because you're pretty frackin dense!

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In case you weren't paying attention, out country gave up personal liberty and rugged individualism a long time ago.

To name just a few,

Uncle Sam takes your money...

To give you social security because you are incapable of setting aside money for your retirement years. (The irony being that the government then spends your money because it is inapable of saving for any reason.)

To give you Medicare. (Because helath care costs so much. And once the government starts paying for it, it cost even more.)

To give you a public school education. (Of course, you may not use your own tax dollars to send your own children to a religious school of your choice. You have to go to a government apporved facility.)

To give you a College Education. (But you only qualify if you are a minority or a woman.)

To save you from Global Warming. (And they want more money and more control of your life to make this happen. Even though Global Warming is sheer ficiton, it serves the governments interest to make you think it is real.)

It won't be long until the gov stops us from drinking. From smoking. From gaining weight. From owning guns. From doing anything the government thinks is bad for us. Or mandating that we do things that are good for the goverment.

The US no longer cares about freedom. It's all about power and control. We have one creepy little future in front of us. Think Uncle Joe's USSR, only with better high tech equipment to better watch over us for our own good.

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