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slybri19 wrote:
I know, but it's the first step toward getting there


To be honest, wouldn't the first step towards getting to Socialism be MediCare/MediCaid? or Social Security? or anything the govt provides except the military? :wink:

slybri19 wrote:
I'm just trying to even out the liberal rhetoric I read earlier from you know who. :lol:


Me thinks DD has that taken care of :lol:

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Actually TruckinMack,

If you will look at January's issue of National Geographic Magazine you will see a very good example of what we could be in for. Singapore is a "free" city without freedom. Every angle is under camera, if you spit, you get public service, if you litter you get a fine, do it again and you're paying the fine and trash pick up. If you are a foreign national, you are not allowed to have children AT ALL. And so goes the list,

Do not for a moment think that the Corrupticians in Washington will be abiding by the same laws, or living standards that we have to. That is 100% false. This is class warfare, they have and will keep, and we will have not and suffer. They demonize the large corporations and "wealthy" class in order to create a ground swell of angst against them. That is COMMUNISM 101!

But liberals are too busy gargling the jocks of their super zeroes to wake up and smell reality.

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Regarding the polls: those polls are reflect people's ignorance of what's in the bill. I guarantee if you polled the individual provisions there would be widespread support.

Hello McFLy! You act as if a bill exists! THESE IDIOTS in Washington voted on NOTHING!!!!!!!!! They voted on a blank piece of paper that does not exists, and now they will back handedly fashion something that is a hybrid of the two pieces of legislation. Executive Orders do NOT RESCEND law, and so we will be paying for a whole bunch of stuff that is 1. illegal, 2. not wanted and 3. unknown because the "transparent" Congress has kept us in the dark.

Are you sure you went to U of M? Is that University of Moscow, because you're pretty frackin dense!


So what is it? The bill is too long or it's a blank piece of paper?

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One liberal vs 50 conservatives! Bring it on, wingnuts!

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lightning_in_a_bottle wrote:
DevilDoc wrote:
Regarding the polls: those polls are reflect people's ignorance of what's in the bill. I guarantee if you polled the individual provisions there would be widespread support.

Hello McFLy! You act as if a bill exists! THESE IDIOTS in Washington voted on NOTHING!!!!!!!!! They voted on a blank piece of paper that does not exists, and now they will back handedly fashion something that is a hybrid of the two pieces of legislation. Executive Orders do NOT RESCEND law, and so we will be paying for a whole bunch of stuff that is 1. illegal, 2. not wanted and 3. unknown because the "transparent" Congress has kept us in the dark.

Are you sure you went to U of M? Is that University of Moscow, because you're pretty frackin dense!


So what is it? The bill is too long or it's a blank piece of paper?


So what is it, a win for what America wanted or people don't actually get it. Kinda showing some balls saying that if people read it they would like it... as even the president himself hasn't read it.

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lightning_in_a_bottle wrote:
One liberal vs 50 conservatives! Bring it on, wingnuts!


False internet bravery: yet another tool in the liberals shed.


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Seriously that's the best you got? You want to know whether I'm talking about one page or several thousand pages of documentation that are different between the House and the Senate?

Okay, follow along because I'm going to speak real slow.
The House had one bill, the Senate another and they could not agree so they had to generate an budgetary rule to combine the wording. What was voted on was not an actual bill that was ready to be turned into law, but a blank document that was not in existence yet.

You are sitting behind your computer with your Cheshire grin, being about as brave as you dare be from behind the safety of a computer. When this goes south, and your world is collapsing around you, and IT WILL, I want you to remember these conversations. Commit them to memory! Burn them in real deep comrade, so that when these things come to pass in your lifetime, you will remember, and it will be me with sitting behind the computer with sadness in my heart because you and your Liberal Party were too dense to understand the evil you just chained us too!

By the way, can I get a first class ticket to the PolitiKal Re-education camps? I might as well get started, and I don't mind the cold.

What's the difference between Obama and Stalin, nothing except Obama aint started killing his own countrymen yet!

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lightning_in_a_bottle wrote:
Regarding the polls: those polls are reflect people's ignorance of what's in the bill. I guarantee if you polled the individual provisions there would be widespread support.


Spoken like a true Hillary Clinton/Nancy Pelosi clone.

People are ignorant of what's in the bill because the people never were given a chance to read the bill. Even the politicians in Washington were given very limited opportunity to review the bill, let alone dig deep to find out the issues at hand.

Also, if the people object, whether they are ignorant or not, it is the SWORN DUTY of the politicians to follow their desires. I don't elect a politician to coddle me and tell me what's best for me. I elect a politician to reflect MY decisions and MY thoughts with the vote they cast. This is NOT a dictatorship, or an autocracy, where the politicians will do what THEY feel is best, regardless of the will of The People.

This is EXACTLY what is wrong with Washington, and exactly what is wrong with all politicians in America, regardless of party lines. It just so happens that members of the Democratic party are FAR WORSE at turning a blind eye to the people, and doing whatever the Hell they feel they want. The polls taken very much REFLECT that very fact LIAB. And not YOU, or OBAMA or any of those power mongering f*#knuts in Washington can deny that.

So, what IS in that Bill......

Page 22 of the HC Bill: Mandates that the Govt will audit books of all
employers that self-insure!!
I OBJECT!

Page 30 Sec 123 of HC bill: THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get.
I OBJECT!

Page 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill: YOUR HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED!!!
I OBJECT!

>Page 42 of HC Bill: The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC benefits for you. You have no choice!
I MOST ASSUREDLY OBJECT!!

Page 50 Section 152 in HC bill: HC will be provided to ALL non-US
citizens, illegal or otherwise.
I CAN'T OBJECT HIS POINT ENOUGH!!!!!!

Page 58 HC Bill: Govt will have real-time access to individuals' finances & a 'National ID Health card' will be issued! (Papers please!)
I OBJECT!!

Page 59 HC Bill lines 21-24: Govt will have direct access to your bank
accounts for elective funds transfer. (Time for more cash and carry)
I OBJECT!!

Page 65 Sec 164: Is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in unions & community organizations: (ACORN).
I OBJECT!

Page 84 Sec 203 HC bill: Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the 'Exchange.'
I VERY MUCH OBJECT!!

Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans -- The
Govt will ration your health care!
ABSOLUTE HORSH!T. I OBJECT!!

Page 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill: Govt mandates linguistic appropriate services. (Translation: illegal aliens.)
I DON'T WANNA PAY FOR THAT. I OBJECT!!

Page 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18: The Govt will use groups (i.e. ACORN &
Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan.
GARBAGE. I OBJECT!

Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans. (AARP
members - your health care WILL be rationed!)
NO. I OBJECT!

Page 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill: Medicaid eligible individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. (No choice.)
LAND OF THE FREE?! I OBJECT!!

Page 12 4 lines 24-25 HC: No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No
"judicial review" against Govt monopoly.
YOU CAN'T SUE CITY HALL?! I OBJECT!!

Page 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill: Doctors/ American Medical Association - The Govt will tell YOU what salary you can make.
SQUASH FREE ENTERPRISE? I OBJECT!!

Page 145 Line 15-17: An Employer MUST auto-enroll employees into public option plan. (NO choice!)
I OBJECT, BIG TIME!!!

Page 126 Lines 22-25: Employers MUST pay for HC for part-time employees AND their families. (Employees shouldn't get excited about this as employers will be forced to reduce its work force, benefits, and
wages/salaries to cover such a huge expense.)
DURING A TIME OF HIGH UNEMPLOYMENT? I OBJECT!

Page 149 Lines 16-24: ANY Employer with payroll 401k & above who does not provide public option will pay 8% tax on all payroll! (See the last comment in parenthesis.)
I OBJECT!! IT SHOULD BE A CHOICE!

Page 150 Lines 9-13: A business with payroll between $251K & $401K who doesn't provide public option will pay 2-6% tax on all payroll.
SAME AS ABOVE, I OBJECT!

Page 167 Lines 18-23: ANY individual who doesn't have acceptable HC
according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income.
TAX ME FOR NOT HAVING HC?! THAT'S CRAP. I OBJECT!

Page 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill: Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from
individual taxes. (Americans will pay.) (Like always)
OH GOD DO I OBJECT!!!

Page 195 HC Bill: Officers & employees of the GOVT HC Admin.. will have access to ALL Americans' finances and personal records. (I guess so they can 'deduct' their fees)
HELLO BIG BROTHER? I OBJECT!!

Page 203 Line 14-15 HC: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be
treated as tax." (Yes, it really says that!) ( a 'fee' instead)
OH GREAT, WE'RE GETTING TAXED BUT THEY DON'T WANNA SAY IT. I OBJECT!

Page 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill: Govt will reduce physician services for
Medicaid Seniors. (Low-income and the poor are affected.)
SCREW THE OLDER FOLKS? NO, I OBJECT!!

Page 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill: Doctors: It doesn't matter what specialty you
have trained yourself in -- you will all be paid the same! (Just TRY to
tell me that's not Socialism!)
SOUNDS LIKE COMMUNIST RUSSIA TO ME. I OBJECT!!

Page 253 Line 10-18: The Govt sets the value of a doctor's time,
profession, judgment, etc. (Literally-- the value of humans.)
WE CAN'T SET THE "VALUE" OF THEIR TIME. I OBJECT!!!!

Page 265 Sec 1131: The Govt mandates and controls productivity for
"private" HC industries.
BULLSH!T. I OBJECT!!

Page 268 Sec 1141: The federal Govt regulates the rental and purchase of power driven wheelchairs.
STUPID! I OBJECT!!

Page 272 SEC. 1145: TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!
ABSOLUTELY UNFORGIVEABLE. I OBJECT!!

Page 280 Sec 1151: The Govt will penalize hospitals for whatever the Govt deems preventable (i.e...re-admissions).
GARBAGE. I OBJECT!!

Page 298 Lines 9-11: Doctors: If you treat a patient during initial
admission that results in a re-admission -- the Govt will penalize you.
IT'S NOT THEIR JOB. I OBJECT!!

Page 317 L 13-20: PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. (The Govt tells doctors what and how much they can own!)
THAT'S RIDICULOUS. UNACCEPTABLE! I OBJECT!! AND I'M NOT A DOCTOR!

Page 317-318 lines 21-25, 1-3: PROHIBITION on expansion. (The Govt is mandating that hospitals cannot expand.)
WHO ARE THEY TO DECIDE? I OBJECT!!

Page 321 2-13: Hospitals have the opportunity to apply for exception BUT
community input is required. (Can you say ACORN?)
RIDICULOUS! I OBJECT!!

Page 335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339: The Govt mandates establishment of 2
outcome-based measures. (HC the way they want -- rationing.)
I OBJECT!!

Page 341 Lines 3-9: The Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Advance Plans, HMOs, etc. (Forcing people into the Govt plan)
TELL ME THAT'S NOT SOCIALISM!! I OBJECT!!

Page 354 Sec 1177: The Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of 'special needs
people!' Unbelievable!
NO, NO, NO. I OBJECT!!

Page 379 Sec 1191: The Govt creates more bureaucracy via a "Tele-Health Advisory Committee." (Can you say HC by phone?)
PREPOSTEROUS!! I OBJECT!!

Page 425 Lines 4-12: The Govt mandates "Advance-Care Planning Consult." (Think senior citizens end-of-life patients.)
WHY?! I OBJECT!!

Page 425 Lines 17-19: The Govt will instruct and consult regarding living
wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. (And it's mandatory!)
THAT'S WHAT ATTORNEYS ARE FOR. I OBJECT!!

Page 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3: The Govt provides an "approved" list of end-of-life resources; guiding you in death. (Also called 'assisted
suicide.')(Sounds like Soylent Green to me.)
DIDN'T KEVORKIAN GO TO PRISON FOR THIS?!?!?! I OBJECT!!!!

Page 427 Lines 15-24: The Govt mandates a program for orders on
"end-of-life." (The Govt has a say in how your life ends!)
YET WE CAN'T DO THIS FOR PEOPLE ON DEATH ROW?! I OBJECT!!!!

Page 429 Lines 1-9: An "advanced-care planning consultant" will be used
frequently as a patient's health deteriorates.
WHY? THAT'S WHAT FAMILIES ARE FOR! I OBJECT!!

Page 429 Lines 10-12: An "advanced care consultation" may include an ORDER for end-of-life plans.. (AN ORDER TO DIE FROM THE GOVERNMENT?!?)
HELLO?! HITLER, STALIN, SADDAM, IDI AMIN....YOU GUYS NEED A JOB?
I F&$#ING OBJECT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Page 429 Lines 13-25: The GOVT will specify which doctors can write an
end-of-life order.. (I wouldn't want to stand before God after getting
paid for THAT job!)
CALLING DR. MENGALA. DR. JOSEF MENGALA? I OBJECT!!!!!

Page 430 Lines 11-15: The Govt will decide what level of treatment you
will have at end-of-life! (Again -- no choice!)
GEEZ! I WONDER WHAT KIND THE POLITICIANS WILL GET VERSUS THE REST OF US THAT THEY WORK FOR?! I OBJECT WHOLE HEARTEDLY!!

Page 469: Community-Based Home Medical Services = Non-Profit
Organizations. (Hello? ACORN Medical Services here!?!)
WONDERFUL IDEA....NOT!! I OBJECT!!

Page 489 Sec 1308: The Govt will cover marriage and family therapy.
(Which means Govt will insert itself into your marriage even.)
SURE, WHY NOT? THEY'RE INTO EVERYTHING ELSE...BUT, I OBJECT!!!!!!

Page 494-498: Govt will cover Mental Health Services including defining,
creating, and rationing those services.
I THINK THEY SHOULD BE THEIR OWN FIRST CUSTOMERS, WITH LIAB BEING SECOND IN LINE......AND I OBJECT AGAIN!!!!!!

So, LIAB.....that's just some of the moronic content from the Bill being pushed by our pathetic Democratic leaders. If this horsesh!t ain't Socialism and if this isn't the single most objectionable written piece of junk in the history of the United States, Prohibition included....I don't know what is......other than maybe Obamas fake birth certificate.


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What a difference a day makes. I predict you will see public opinion continue to swing as the days go on:

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Poll: Most Think Passing Health Reform Was A Good Idea
Evan McMorris-Santoro | March 23, 2010, 3:01PM
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010 ... d-idea.php

A new Gallup poll set to appear in tomorrow's USA Today shows public opinion is turning around on Democratic health care reform efforts now that the bill has reached final passage.

A plurality of voters surveyed in the poll, 49%, said passing the bill was "a good thing" as opposed to just 40% who said the passage of the reform bill was bad for the country.

There's more good news for Democrats worried about their election chances after passing the bill found in the poll. Most respondents said they had positive feelings about the bill's passage, and 48% -- which USA Today reports is the "largest single group" in the poll -- called the bill "a good first step" and should actually be followed by more reform efforts.

Should the poll live up to the paper's preview of it, it would be something of a coup for Democrats. Conventional wisdom has held that passage of reform was a political win for the Republicans, who could run hard against a bill that past polls said most people either didn't want to didn't understand.

Yesterday, we reported on a CNN poll that illustrated the political conundrum nicely -- while a majority were opposed to the bill itself right before it passed, most still said Democrats were the ones they trust to handle the issue of health reform best.

Past polling has confirmed the take on the bill from the CNN poll. The TPM Poll Average of support for the reform bill shows that 50.3% oppose the law, while just 40.4% say they support it.

Republicans have said they intend to use that sentiment to run hard against the bill and, the theory went, right into big gains in the House and Senate.

The new Gallup poll shows that the American people might turn out to be a roadblock for that plan. Respondents have better feelings about the Democrats handling of reform than they do the GOP, suggesting the calls for repeal of the bill from GOP candidates might appeal only to the most conservative of voters.

Details on the breakdown of feeling on each party's handling of the reform debate, from USA Today's preview of the poll:

No one gets overwhelmingly positive ratings on the issue, but Obama fares the best: 46% say his work has been excellent or good; 31% call it poor. Congressional Democrats get an even split: 32% call their efforts good or excellent; 33% poor.
The standing of congressional Republicans is more negative. While 26% rate their work on health care as good or excellent, a larger group, 34%, say it has been poor.

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m2karateman wrote:
lightning_in_a_bottle wrote:
Regarding the polls: those polls are reflect people's ignorance of what's in the bill. I guarantee if you polled the individual provisions there would be widespread support.


Spoken like a true Hillary Clinton/Nancy Pelosi clone.

People are ignorant of what's in the bill because the people never were given a chance to read the bill. Even the politicians in Washington were given very limited opportunity to review the bill, let alone dig deep to find out the issues at hand.

Also, if the people object, whether they are ignorant or not, it is the SWORN DUTY of the politicians to follow their desires. I don't elect a politician to coddle me and tell me what's best for me. I elect a politician to reflect MY decisions and MY thoughts with the vote they cast. This is NOT a dictatorship, or an autocracy, where the politicians will do what THEY feel is best, regardless of the will of The People.

This is EXACTLY what is wrong with Washington, and exactly what is wrong with all politicians in America, regardless of party lines. It just so happens that members of the Democratic party are FAR WORSE at turning a blind eye to the people, and doing whatever the Hell they feel they want. The polls taken very much REFLECT that very fact LIAB. And not YOU, or OBAMA or any of those power mongering f*#knuts in Washington can deny that.

So, what IS in that Bill......

Page 22 of the HC Bill: Mandates that the Govt will audit books of all
employers that self-insure!!
I OBJECT!

Page 30 Sec 123 of HC bill: THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get.
I OBJECT!

Page 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill: YOUR HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED!!!
I OBJECT!

>Page 42 of HC Bill: The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC benefits for you. You have no choice!
I MOST ASSUREDLY OBJECT!!

Page 50 Section 152 in HC bill: HC will be provided to ALL non-US
citizens, illegal or otherwise.
I CAN'T OBJECT HIS POINT ENOUGH!!!!!!

Page 58 HC Bill: Govt will have real-time access to individuals' finances & a 'National ID Health card' will be issued! (Papers please!)
I OBJECT!!

Page 59 HC Bill lines 21-24: Govt will have direct access to your bank
accounts for elective funds transfer. (Time for more cash and carry)
I OBJECT!!

Page 65 Sec 164: Is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in unions & community organizations: (ACORN).
I OBJECT!

Page 84 Sec 203 HC bill: Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the 'Exchange.'
I VERY MUCH OBJECT!!

Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans -- The
Govt will ration your health care!
ABSOLUTE HORSH!T. I OBJECT!!

Page 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill: Govt mandates linguistic appropriate services. (Translation: illegal aliens.)
I DON'T WANNA PAY FOR THAT. I OBJECT!!

Page 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18: The Govt will use groups (i.e. ACORN &
Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan.
GARBAGE. I OBJECT!

Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans. (AARP
members - your health care WILL be rationed!)
NO. I OBJECT!

Page 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill: Medicaid eligible individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. (No choice.)
LAND OF THE FREE?! I OBJECT!!

Page 12 4 lines 24-25 HC: No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No
"judicial review" against Govt monopoly.
YOU CAN'T SUE CITY HALL?! I OBJECT!!

Page 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill: Doctors/ American Medical Association - The Govt will tell YOU what salary you can make.
SQUASH FREE ENTERPRISE? I OBJECT!!

Page 145 Line 15-17: An Employer MUST auto-enroll employees into public option plan. (NO choice!)
I OBJECT, BIG TIME!!!

Page 126 Lines 22-25: Employers MUST pay for HC for part-time employees AND their families. (Employees shouldn't get excited about this as employers will be forced to reduce its work force, benefits, and
wages/salaries to cover such a huge expense.)
DURING A TIME OF HIGH UNEMPLOYMENT? I OBJECT!

Page 149 Lines 16-24: ANY Employer with payroll 401k & above who does not provide public option will pay 8% tax on all payroll! (See the last comment in parenthesis.)
I OBJECT!! IT SHOULD BE A CHOICE!

Page 150 Lines 9-13: A business with payroll between $251K & $401K who doesn't provide public option will pay 2-6% tax on all payroll.
SAME AS ABOVE, I OBJECT!

Page 167 Lines 18-23: ANY individual who doesn't have acceptable HC
according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income.
TAX ME FOR NOT HAVING HC?! THAT'S CRAP. I OBJECT!

Page 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill: Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from
individual taxes. (Americans will pay.) (Like always)
OH GOD DO I OBJECT!!!

Page 195 HC Bill: Officers & employees of the GOVT HC Admin.. will have access to ALL Americans' finances and personal records. (I guess so they can 'deduct' their fees)
HELLO BIG BROTHER? I OBJECT!!

Page 203 Line 14-15 HC: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be
treated as tax." (Yes, it really says that!) ( a 'fee' instead)
OH GREAT, WE'RE GETTING TAXED BUT THEY DON'T WANNA SAY IT. I OBJECT!

Page 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill: Govt will reduce physician services for
Medicaid Seniors. (Low-income and the poor are affected.)
SCREW THE OLDER FOLKS? NO, I OBJECT!!

Page 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill: Doctors: It doesn't matter what specialty you
have trained yourself in -- you will all be paid the same! (Just TRY to
tell me that's not Socialism!)
SOUNDS LIKE COMMUNIST RUSSIA TO ME. I OBJECT!!

Page 253 Line 10-18: The Govt sets the value of a doctor's time,
profession, judgment, etc. (Literally-- the value of humans.)
WE CAN'T SET THE "VALUE" OF THEIR TIME. I OBJECT!!!!

Page 265 Sec 1131: The Govt mandates and controls productivity for
"private" HC industries.
BULLSH!T. I OBJECT!!

Page 268 Sec 1141: The federal Govt regulates the rental and purchase of power driven wheelchairs.
STUPID! I OBJECT!!

Page 272 SEC. 1145: TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!
ABSOLUTELY UNFORGIVEABLE. I OBJECT!!

Page 280 Sec 1151: The Govt will penalize hospitals for whatever the Govt deems preventable (i.e...re-admissions).
GARBAGE. I OBJECT!!

Page 298 Lines 9-11: Doctors: If you treat a patient during initial
admission that results in a re-admission -- the Govt will penalize you.
IT'S NOT THEIR JOB. I OBJECT!!

Page 317 L 13-20: PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. (The Govt tells doctors what and how much they can own!)
THAT'S RIDICULOUS. UNACCEPTABLE! I OBJECT!! AND I'M NOT A DOCTOR!

Page 317-318 lines 21-25, 1-3: PROHIBITION on expansion. (The Govt is mandating that hospitals cannot expand.)
WHO ARE THEY TO DECIDE? I OBJECT!!

Page 321 2-13: Hospitals have the opportunity to apply for exception BUT
community input is required. (Can you say ACORN?)
RIDICULOUS! I OBJECT!!

Page 335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339: The Govt mandates establishment of 2
outcome-based measures. (HC the way they want -- rationing.)
I OBJECT!!

Page 341 Lines 3-9: The Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Advance Plans, HMOs, etc. (Forcing people into the Govt plan)
TELL ME THAT'S NOT SOCIALISM!! I OBJECT!!

Page 354 Sec 1177: The Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of 'special needs
people!' Unbelievable!
NO, NO, NO. I OBJECT!!

Page 379 Sec 1191: The Govt creates more bureaucracy via a "Tele-Health Advisory Committee." (Can you say HC by phone?)
PREPOSTEROUS!! I OBJECT!!

Page 425 Lines 4-12: The Govt mandates "Advance-Care Planning Consult." (Think senior citizens end-of-life patients.)
WHY?! I OBJECT!!

Page 425 Lines 17-19: The Govt will instruct and consult regarding living
wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. (And it's mandatory!)
THAT'S WHAT ATTORNEYS ARE FOR. I OBJECT!!

Page 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3: The Govt provides an "approved" list of end-of-life resources; guiding you in death. (Also called 'assisted
suicide.')(Sounds like Soylent Green to me.)
DIDN'T KEVORKIAN GO TO PRISON FOR THIS?!?!?! I OBJECT!!!!

Page 427 Lines 15-24: The Govt mandates a program for orders on
"end-of-life." (The Govt has a say in how your life ends!)
YET WE CAN'T DO THIS FOR PEOPLE ON DEATH ROW?! I OBJECT!!!!

Page 429 Lines 1-9: An "advanced-care planning consultant" will be used
frequently as a patient's health deteriorates.
WHY? THAT'S WHAT FAMILIES ARE FOR! I OBJECT!!

Page 429 Lines 10-12: An "advanced care consultation" may include an ORDER for end-of-life plans.. (AN ORDER TO DIE FROM THE GOVERNMENT?!?)
HELLO?! HITLER, STALIN, SADDAM, IDI AMIN....YOU GUYS NEED A JOB?
I F&$#ING OBJECT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Page 429 Lines 13-25: The GOVT will specify which doctors can write an
end-of-life order.. (I wouldn't want to stand before God after getting
paid for THAT job!)
CALLING DR. MENGALA. DR. JOSEF MENGALA? I OBJECT!!!!!

Page 430 Lines 11-15: The Govt will decide what level of treatment you
will have at end-of-life! (Again -- no choice!)
GEEZ! I WONDER WHAT KIND THE POLITICIANS WILL GET VERSUS THE REST OF US THAT THEY WORK FOR?! I OBJECT WHOLE HEARTEDLY!!

Page 469: Community-Based Home Medical Services = Non-Profit
Organizations. (Hello? ACORN Medical Services here!?!)
WONDERFUL IDEA....NOT!! I OBJECT!!

Page 489 Sec 1308: The Govt will cover marriage and family therapy.
(Which means Govt will insert itself into your marriage even.)
SURE, WHY NOT? THEY'RE INTO EVERYTHING ELSE...BUT, I OBJECT!!!!!!

Page 494-498: Govt will cover Mental Health Services including defining,
creating, and rationing those services.
I THINK THEY SHOULD BE THEIR OWN FIRST CUSTOMERS, WITH LIAB BEING SECOND IN LINE......AND I OBJECT AGAIN!!!!!!

So, LIAB.....that's just some of the moronic content from the Bill being pushed by our pathetic Democratic leaders. If this horsesh!t ain't Socialism and if this isn't the single most objectionable written piece of junk in the history of the United States, Prohibition included....I don't know what is......other than maybe Obamas fake birth certificate.


Source? These come off as the ramblings of a crazy person. Post the actual language so we can discuss it.

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This is not a government takeover of healthcare. This is federal regulation of the health care insurance industry, which up until now has resembled the wild west. Now that there's a real bill that is a) not scary and b) provides a lot of benefits the Republicans are sh***ing their pants--no more scaring the American people with this Communist takeover nonsense. The same thing happened in the run up to passing medicare and now look--the Republicans tried to use an imaginary decrease in medicare benefits as an argument against the bill. Face it, on this one, you guys lost, and the American people won.


BULLSH!T... The Feds will regulate the H.C. industry to the point where the private companies will have to go out of business. This bill is the first step towards total socialized health care in the United States, and mark my words - it WILL be a disaster, just like everything else the govt. does.

Not scary? 1) WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IS IN IT!!!, and 2) NOBODY LIKES SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE IN IT.

The "Louisiana Purchase" and the "Cornhusker kickback" LIVE in the current bill and those stupidass Democrats only HOPE to rectify the situation later.

I have never before heard anyone make the RIDICULOUS statement that "we have to PASS the current bill TO FIND OUT what is actually in it." That is utterly RIDICULOUS. Now they're going to retroactively try to take things out of the bill that they already passed to try to make it more of what they want... BRILLIANT!!!

I can't wait for this to blow up in their faces. It is going to be epic.


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wjb21ndtown wrote:
lightning_in_a_bottle wrote:
This is not a government takeover of healthcare. This is federal regulation of the health care insurance industry, which up until now has resembled the wild west. Now that there's a real bill that is a) not scary and b) provides a lot of benefits the Republicans are sh***ing their pants--no more scaring the American people with this Communist takeover nonsense. The same thing happened in the run up to passing medicare and now look--the Republicans tried to use an imaginary decrease in medicare benefits as an argument against the bill. Face it, on this one, you guys lost, and the American people won.


BULLSH!T... The Feds will regulate the H.C. industry to the point where the private companies will have to go out of business. This bill is the first step towards total socialized health care in the United States, and mark my words - it WILL be a disaster, just like everything else the govt. does.

Not scary? 1) WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IS IN IT!!!, and 2) NOBODY LIKES SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE IN IT.

The "Louisiana Purchase" and the "Cornhusker kickback" LIVE in the current bill and those stupidass Democrats only HOPE to rectify the situation later.

I have never before heard anyone make the RIDICULOUS statement that "we have to PASS the current bill TO FIND OUT what is actually in it." That is utterly RIDICULOUS. Now they're going to retroactively try to take things out of the bill that they already passed to try to make it more of what they want... BRILLIANT!!!

I can't wait for this to blow up in their faces. It is going to be epic.


Things that the bill will do either now or in the next few years:

    Close the 'donut hole' in Medicare
    Ban recision (cancelling plans of people who get sick)
    Ban denial of coverage based on pre-existing conditions
    Create a high-risk pool for people who are sick to buy insurance
    Allowing kids to stay on their parents' plans until they're 26
    Mandating that plans have maternity coverage and preventative care
    Subsidies for people to buy insurance
    Tax credits for small businesses to provide insurance
    Insurance exchanges where people can pool with others to get group rates on insurance--ie lower premiums
    And much much more...


The fixes you mention like removing the Cornhusker Kickback will be law by the end of the week. Republicans signaled they are giving up that fight.

Oh it'll blow up in somebody's faces alright--The Republicans. Just try and take away that stuff. It'll be just as successful as your efforts to privatize Social Security.

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lightning_in_a_bottle wrote:
Source? These come off as the ramblings of a crazy person. Post the actual language so we can discuss it.


All the individual line items were in a letter written from a doctor to a Congressman. Said Congressman requested that the doctor review the bill and let him know what parts were "of concern". These are the items the doctors listed. The part in caps are MY thoughts on those line items. All are objectionable, in my opinion. Health care should not be "provided" for illegals in this country, while the rest of us are covering the costs with our tax dollars. The government should not be able to cancel my health care, FOR ANY REASON, if they are going to tell me this is the health care I am going to get. Yet, they have that in the bill.

Go on Youtube and search for video on this. There is a Congressman who pretty much touches on most of these points.

Better yet, ask anyone from Canada how they feel about their social care system. I have several I work with, and they all hate it.


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What happened to Obama's Campaign promise to allow the American Public 5 days to read any Bill before it is signed into Law???

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lightning_in_a_bottle wrote:
Things that the bill will do either now or in the next few years:

    Close the 'donut hole' in Medicare
    Ban recision (cancelling plans of people who get sick)
    Ban denial of coverage based on pre-existing conditions
    Create a high-risk pool for people who are sick to buy insurance
    Allowing kids to stay on their parents' plans until they're 26
    Mandating that plans have maternity coverage and preventative care
    Subsidies for people to buy insurance
    Tax credits for small businesses to provide insurance
    Insurance exchanges where people can pool with others to get group rates on insurance--ie lower premiums
    And much much more...

The fixes you mention like removing the Cornhusker Kickback will be law by the end of the week. Republicans signaled they are giving up that fight.

Oh it'll blow up in somebody's faces alright--The Republicans. Just try and take away that stuff. It'll be just as successful as your efforts to privatize Social Security.


FWIW, the "donut hole" won't be able to be closed until the Reconciliation goes through. The bill/law itself shrinks it, but does not close it. Oh, and it won't be closed until 2020

TNLionsFanatic wrote:
What happened to Obama's Campaign promise to allow the American Public 5 days to read any Bill before it is signed into Law???


Hmm, when was the last time any politician kept their campaign promises? Unfortunately, that is just the state of politics today

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