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Post Re: Who wants to learn about wind turbines.
Now I know you aren't paying attention (it wasn't a recent revelation...) because I noted that way before in this thread...

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July 19th, 2011, 10:59 pm
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BTW, coal plants kill more birds than wind turbines by a lot... but you don't seem to mind that...

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July 19th, 2011, 11:00 pm
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WIth all the dead bats, the spiders should grow to a nice population.

Wind turbines cause huge spider population growth.....then in turn eat the insects that the bats were eating......
and the circle of life continues.



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July 19th, 2011, 11:36 pm
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Steensn, I don't recall you mentioning bats before in this thread, so I think you made that up. Then again, I usually don't read many of your posts, so I may have missed it. :lol:

Regardless, I am appalled by your bigotry and predudice toward the winged creatures of this planet to the point that you have collaborated in a scheme advocating their genocide. May your God condemn you to eternal damnation in Hell for your barbaric and atrocious actions toward those beloved winged creatures. :twisted:

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slybri19 wrote:
Steensn, I don't recall you mentioning bats before in this thread, so I think you made that up. Then again, I usually don't read many of your posts, so I may have missed it. :lol:

Regardless, I am appalled by your bigotry and predudice toward the winged creatures of this planet to the point that you have collaborated in a scheme advocating their genocide. May your God condemn you to eternal damnation in Hell for your barbaric and atrocious actions toward those beloved winged creatures. :twisted:



LMAO! I do love some good old fashioned Jack Assery!

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July 20th, 2011, 10:24 am
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Yeah... too bad you know I'm smarter than to fall for your obviously incorrect strawman. Read the Bible, maybe you'll see where birds are not equal to man ;)

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July 20th, 2011, 10:38 am
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But aren't you supposed to love all of God's creatures? Yet, you are complicit in building barbaric structures that explode the lungs of innocent bats. You are an evil, despicable human being who ought to be ashamed of himself. May your God have mercy on your soul! :D

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July 20th, 2011, 12:51 pm
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Nope, all of God's creation is under us. Read Genesis... we should operate with the intent to take care of it as much as possible but be subject to our greater good. There are tradeoffs... but humans always win out under God's intent. Crystal clear in the Bible...

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July 20th, 2011, 1:08 pm
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You mean the Book of Genesis that states that the Earth was created before the sun and the firmament in the heavens? Yea, right. I sure do put a lot of stock in anything that comes from that particular book of the Bible. :lol:

Religion aside, your intolerance for bats is appalling and I hope one of the vampire variety seeks revenge against you by sucking all of the blood out of your vile and hateful corpse. :twisted:

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July 20th, 2011, 1:25 pm
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Mock my religion but then say what it says is irrelevant for the mocking? Shame on you Sly... you can be wittier than that.

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Holy Hypocrisy, Batman! So now you're disregarding some passages of the Bible in favor of others that better reflect your own views (or to support previous statements that you've made). Just calling it like I see it, so deal with it.

Getting back to the wind turbine issue and how it wastes taxpayers dollars and doesn't affect the fraudulent climate change scheme as much as advertised:

Forbes wrote:
A New Study Takes The Wind Out Of Wind Energy
Robert Bryce, 07.19.11, 05:00 PM EDT
Reality has overtaken green hope.

Facts are pesky things. And they're particularly pesky when it comes to the myths about the wind energy business.

For years, it's been an article of faith among advocates of renewables that increased use of wind energy can provide a cost-effective method of reducing carbon dioxide emissions. The reality: wind energy's carbon dioxide-cutting benefits are vastly overstated. Furthermore, if wind energy does help reduce carbon emissions, those reductions are too expensive to be used on any kind of scale.

Those are the findings of an exhaustive new study, released today, by Bentek Energy, a Colorado-based energy analytics firm. Rather than rely on computer models that use theoretical emissions data, the authors of the study, Porter Bennett and Brannin McBee, analyzed actual emissions data from electric generation plants located in four regions: the Electric Reliability Council of Texas, Bonneville Power Administration, California Independent System Operator, and the Midwest Independent System Operator. Those four system operators serve about 110 million customers, or about one-third of the U.S. population.

Bennett and McBee looked at more than 300,000 hourly records from 2007 through 2009. Their results show that the American Wind Energy Association (AWEA) and other wind boosters have vastly overstated wind's ability to cut sulfur dioxide, nitrous oxide, and carbon dioxide.

Indeed, the study found that in some regions of the country, like California, using wind energy doesn't reduce sulfur dioxide emissions at all. But the most important conclusion from the study is that wind energy is not "a cost-effective solution for reducing carbon dioxide if carbon is valued at less than $33 per ton." With the U.S. economy still in recession and unemployment numbers near record levels, Congress cannot, will not, attempt to impose a carbon tax, no matter how small.

AWEA claims that every megawatt-hour of electricity produced by wind turbines cuts carbon dioxide emissions by 0.8 tons. But the Bentek study shows that in California, a state that relies heavily on natural gas-fired generation, the carbon dioxide reduction from wind energy was just 0.3 tons of carbon dioxide per megawatt-hour. Further, the study found that in the area served by the Bonneville Power Administration, which uses a large amount of hydropower, the carbon dioxde reduction was just 0.1 ton of carbon dioxide per megawatt-hour.

To be clear, the Bentek study found that in the region served by the Midwest Independent System Operator, which relies heavily on coal-fired generation, the carbon dioxide reduction benefits of wind are actually greater (1.0 ton of carbon saved) than what AWEA claims. But when it came to reductions in sulfur dioxide and nitrous oxide in the Midwest, Bentek found that, again, the claims made by AWEA were overstated.

What about Texas, the state that has some 10,000 megawatts of installed wind generation capacity, more than any other state? Again, the Bentek study found that AWEA's claims were exaggerated. Texas relies heavily on natural gas-fired generation. Therefore, when wind gets deployed within the Electric Reliability Council of Texas, Bentek found that it cuts sulfur dioxide emissions by 1.2 pounds per megawatt-hour, far less than the 5.7 pounds claimed by AWEA. Similarly, the reduction in nitrous oxide was 0.7 pounds rather than AWEA's 2.3 pounds, and carbon dioxide emissions were reduced by 0.5 tons per megawatt-hour, not the 0.8 tons claimed by AWEA.

The Bentek report provides yet more bad news for the subsidy-dependent wind business, which is already on its heels. Low natural gas prices, the economic downturn, and uncertainty about the continuation of federal subsidies have left the wind industry in tatters. In 2010, total U.S. wind generation capacity grew by 5,100 megawatts, about half as much capacity as was added in 2009. During the first quarter this year, new wind installations totaled just 1,100 megawatts, indicating that this year will likely be even worse than 2010.

The wind industry's prospects are so bad that T. Boone Pickens, long one of the sector's loudest advocates, has given up on the U.S. market. Pickens, the billionaire self-promoter who famously placed an order for some $2 billion worth of wind turbines back in 2008, is now trying to find a home for those turbines in Canada.

In addition, the wind industry faces increasingly vocal opposition in numerous countries around the world. The European Platform Against Windfarms now has 485 signatory organizations from 22 European countries. In the UK, where fights are raging against industrial wind projects in Wales, Scotland, and elsewhere, some 250 anti-wind groups have been formed. In Canada, the province of Ontario alone has more than 50 anti-wind groups. The U.S. has about 170 anti-wind groups.

While many factors are hurting the wind industry, the Bentek report, which was released today, undercuts the sector's primary reason for existing. The Global Wind Energy Council, one of the industry's main lobby groups, claims that reducing the amount of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere "is the most important environmental benefit from wind power generation." For its part, the American Wind Energy Association insists that the wind business "could avoid 825 million tons of carbon dioxide annually by 2030."

But if wind energy doesn't significantly reduce carbon dioxide emissions, then critics can easily challenge the industry's hefty subsidies, which include the federal production tax credit of $0.022 for each kilowatt-hour of electricity. That amounts to a subsidy of $6.44 per million BTU of energy produced. For comparison, in 2008, the Energy Information Administration reported that subsidies to the oil and gas sector totaled $1.9 billion per year, or about $0.03 per million BTU of energy produced. In other words, subsidies to the wind sector are more than 200 times as great as those given to the oil and gas sector on the basis of per-unit-of-energy produced.

If those fat subsidies go away, then the U.S. wind sector will be stopped dead in its tracks. And for consumers, that should be welcome news.

The wind energy business is the electric sector's equivalent of the corn ethanol scam: it's an over-subsidized industry that depends wholly on taxpayer dollars to remain solvent while providing an inferior product to consumers that does little, if anything, to reduce our need for hydrocarbons or cut carbon dioxide emissions. The latest Bentek study should be required reading for policymakers. It's a much-needed reminder of how the pesky facts about wind energy have been obscured by the tsunami of hype about green energy.


http://www.forbes.com/2011/07/19/wind-energy-carbon.html

As I've said before, ALL energy subsidies should be eliminated. If a segment of the industry is inefficient and incapable of surviving without government assistance, it should just go away.

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July 20th, 2011, 4:56 pm
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slybri19 wrote:
Holy Hypocrisy, Batman! So now you're disregarding some passages of the Bible in favor of others that better reflect your own views (or to support previous statements that you've made). Just calling it like I see it, so deal with it.


Holy Overstatement, Catwomen! I would love for you to point those out so I can learn from you... You haven't even stated any Bible verses to disagree with.

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July 21st, 2011, 9:39 am
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Lol.. what a bad article... did the author even attempt to show that wind is the third cheapest energy source after gas and coal? Making it is significantly cheaper than everyone's favorite nuclear.

Let's forget the environment... if you had money to invest and you had a choice between something that cost you 5-6 cents per kW/h compared to 20 cents kW/h, which one you going to pick if they sell at the same rate. Your logical conservative side should point you to the lower cost one... which is wind.

The article is a hack job that doesn't look at the total impact and what is actually happening... instead of wind offsetting the use of coal plants already in the ground, they are just adding to the EVER INCREASING amount of power we are consuming. Did the study look to see if the total power production went up and how that related? Wind can only offset if you choose to shut down a coal plant. If the grid demand was coal plant + wind plant then they are going to run both full bore.

It is a hack job of an article that didn't at all get the background data needed to make the claim it did. The impact is clear, if wind replaces coal power it cuts emissions greatly. End of story... to say otherwise acknowledges that one has no grasp of reality.

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July 21st, 2011, 9:47 am
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But Nuke plants don't kill birds, they look cool as hell, and don't litter the landscape or make noise...


On a side note... Detroit Metro Airport has some sweet turbines that I actually like, and they are the sort that I wish we would emlpoy much, much more.


Seen here:
http://www.internationalairportreview.c ... o-airport/

I wish more neighborhoods, schools, municipalities, etc. would use this style. They're virtually silent, and they look kinda cool. Much nicer than those noisy, bird killing, landscape littering monstrosities that we're throwing up everywhere...


July 21st, 2011, 12:41 pm
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They have cooler version of those as well, but they are only good for small local areas and they don't make the impact cost effectively as the big ones do.

Check out this one: http://www.urbangreenenergy.com/products/boardwalk

Stylish and functional.

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