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Holy crap! The population of Detroit is now down to 713,777 people, which is the lowest since 1910. Wow.

http://www.freep.com/article/20110322/NEWS06/110322036/0/ENT08/Census-2010-Detroit-population-plummets-713-777-lowest-since-1910

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March 22nd, 2011, 3:31 pm
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crappy economy + crappy weather = crappy place to live

throw in the crime and other negative factors, well you get the picture.

I left Michigan in 1994 - can't believe it has been that long.

When I moved to the city I now live in - Frisco - in 1998 there was about 10K people in this sleepy town north of Dallas, ten years later the number was over 100K. It is much better to be on this side of the growth chart.

All that said, I have family and friends in Detroit and really hope things turn around up there soon...

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I think you may find that those who are leaving are the ones who can afford to primarily. Has anyone seen "Hardcore Pawn"? It truly breaks my heart to see it, and say this, but the level of ignorance is so disgusting and discouraging that I really can't stand to watch the show.

This is what the Age of Entitlement gets you, a population who doesn't wish to work, especially when someone is always paying the bills for you. I've butted heads with a few members hear in regards to the government entitlement lifestyle. When government pays living expenses, food, utilities, and healthcare who needs to work? That is what you are seeing, and then throw in the casino's that are really robbing from the people who have so little to begin with, and it's a vortex of destruction and only a matter of time.....

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Detroit: A City in Need of People
Census: Detroit's Population Dropped 25 Percent From 2000 to 2010
By BEN FORER
March 23,2011

Over the past decade the Motor City has seen a dramatic decline in a precious resource that all cities need to prosper--people. From 2000 to 2010 Detroit's population dropped 25 percent from 951,270 to 713,777, according to census numbers released Tuesday. The city's precipitous plunge helped Michigan become the only state to suffer an overall population decline during the 10-year period.

"It's a stunning drop in population. Except for New Orleans after Katrina, it's basically the largest drop for a U.S. city in history," said Andrew Beveridge, professor of sociology at Queens College. "I think industrially they have to figure out what to do because there are a bunch of cities that have had population declines, and they all are industrial cities. They have to find an economic base or the decline will continue."

Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder says the census numbers are definitely a wake up call.

"The census figures clearly show how crucial it is to reinvent Michigan," Snyder said. "It is time for all of us to realign our expectations so that they reflect today's realities. We cannot cling to the old ways of doing business."

The realities Michigan faces are an auto industry that has dramatically downsized and a major city with approximately 10,000 abandoned buildings and homes.

The desolate landscape parts of Detroit have become now attracts people from all over the world. Tourists enter structures illegally and take pictures of the city's decaying buildings, posting those photos and videos online, a practice that has been called "ruin porn."

Many of the buildings have not just been the subject of pictures, but also the target of vandals. They have been scavenged for anything of value and many have had windows broken, while others have been set on fire.

Last year, Detroit Mayor Dave Bing started a program to demolish 10,000 abandoned or vacant buildings by 2014 as part of his efforts to downsize the city. Plans call for the vacant land to be used for urban farming or to be turned back into countryside.

However not all buildings are destined for destruction, some have been saved and restored. The 31-story Book-Cadillac Hotel was closed for 20 years and pillaged by scavengers and vandals before finally reopening in 2008 after a $200 million renovation.

Detroit's population was at its highest in 1950 when its 1.8 million people made up the fifth largest city in the country. Although both Bing and the census agree the population is less than half of the city's 1950 peak, Bing disputes the new data.Bing claims the city has at least 750,000 people, which he says is an important threshold for qualifying for some state and federal financial programs. Bing plans to appeal the numbers, but has not said why he believes the census may have missed more than 35,000 residents.

For the first time since Michigan became a state the number of black residents declined. The state's non-Hispanic black population fell 1.8 percent, from 1,408,522 to 1,383,756. Michigan's fastest growing racial group is Asians. The Asian population has increased 35 percent to 236,490 over the past 10 years. The state' s Hispanic population has increased rapidly as well, up by 34.7 percent to 436,358 over the same period.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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Since Detroit hasn't had a Republican mayor since 1961, does this really surprise anyone? The era of entitlements has taken over the city and has led to it's destruction. Until that is reversed, it will not change.

In my Tea Party "crusade", I like to bring up a couple of assumptions that most liberals believe to be true. First, most politicians want to appease and keep their base, as well as expand it, in order to remain in office. Most people assume this to be true, regardless of political ideology.

Now here's the kicker: the liberals claim that Republicans are for the rich while Democrats (liberals) are for the poor. Let's assume that this is correct for a moment. In that case, wouldn't the Republicans want the rich to remain rich and for more people to become rich? Conversely, wouldn't the liberal Democrats want the poor to remain poor and for more people to become poor to become dependent upon them for their well-being? Just saying.....

I admit that I framed that as a logical argument, even though it was based on assumptions which are commonly held by the left. Dismiss it if you want, but it atleast has to make you think about the situation. If the liberals cared about the poor as much as they claim to, wouldn't there be improvement in cities where they have been in charge for decades?

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Since Detroit hasn't had a Republican mayor since 1961, does this really surprise anyone? The era of entitlements has taken over the city and has led to it's destruction. Until that is reversed, it will not change.

In my Tea Party "crusade", I like to bring up a couple of assumptions that most liberals believe to be true. First, most politicians want to appease and keep their base, as well as expand it, in order to remain in office. Most people assume this to be true, regardless of political ideology.

Now here's the kicker: the liberals claim that Republicans are for the rich while Democrats (liberals) are for the poor. Let's assume that this is correct for a moment. In that case, wouldn't the Republicans want the rich to remain rich and for more people to become rich? Conversely, wouldn't the liberal Democrats want the poor to remain poor and for more people to become poor to become dependent upon them for their well-being? Just saying.....

I admit that I framed that as a logical argument, even though it was based on assumptions which are commonly held by the left. Dismiss it if you want, but it atleast has to make you think about the situation. If the liberals cared about the poor as much as they claim to, wouldn't there be improvement in cities where they have been in charge for decades?



Good point Sly, but the Left claims that the Reps. exist only to protect existing wealth, and they (the Left) think that anyone that is not already rich but believes in Republican ideals is brainwashed, or just plain crazy.


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wjb, I know, but they're wrong. Conservatives want everyone to have an equal opportunity to suceed in this country, while the libtards want everyone to have an equal opportunity to mooch off of the government. The bills and debt, because of this philosophy, are finally becoming due and they are not sustainable. The sooner people wake up and realize this, the better off they will be.

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slybri19 wrote:
wjb, I know, but they're wrong. Conservatives want everyone to have an equal opportunity to suceed in this country, while the libtards want everyone to have an equal opportunity to mooch off of the government. The bills and debt, because of this philosophy, are finally becoming due and they are not sustainable. The sooner people wake up and realize this, the better off they will be.



I agree completely. I was just posting what they would say to your argument.

Oddly enough, people are moving out of Detroit, and as a consequence that part of the vote is being spread out over a larger area. Michigan is and has been a conservative state for a number of years, but concentrations of Liberals have caused us to have, IMO, a disproportionate amount of Liberal politicians. With ex-patriots of Detroit spreading out in the suburbs that isn't going to be the case anymore. They are effectively diluting their own vote, because they can't stand to live in the filth and poverty that they have created.


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http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/com ... 3666.story

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The collapse of Detroit
De-industrialization, racism, stagnation — is the Motor City our future?

Imagine for a moment that every single person living in the city of San Jose, plus another 150,000 or so, just up and left. Vanished. Poof. Gone. Leaving their homes, business buildings and factories behind.

That is, in effect, what has happened to the city of Detroit, according to 2010 U.S. Census data released this week. The city that boasted 1.8 million residents in 1950, and was the nation's economic engine for most of the 20th century, now is home to 714,000 people, a population loss of some 1.1 million — with a 25% drop in the last decade alone.

It's an unprecedented collapse of a major American city. It's not as if the population was dropping nationwide; it's going up. Just not in Detroit. It's closest "outmigration" rival is Chicago, a five-hour drive to the west, which has lost about 964,000 people since 1950 but still holds about 2.7 million people, down 25% from its peak of 3.62 million in 1950.

In Detroit, the loss amounts to a staggering 60% of the city's peak population. It is now smaller than Charlotte, N.C., and Fort Worth. More people have left Detroit than live in San Francisco; more people have left in the last decade than live in St. Petersburg, Fla.

There are all sorts of implications here, both for Detroit and for the nation. The 2010 census counts for Detroit (and Chicago) were much lower than local officials, and earlier census estimates, had predicted. That raises the question of whether there were problems with the count last year or in 2000, setting false benchmarks. Detroit officials say they plan to challenge the numbers, and Mayor David Bing announced he wants to find 40,000 Detroiters who were missed to try to push the count above the 750,000 mark, a key threshold for formulas used in distributing federal urban aid.

But there are two larger issues that have broader national implications. The first is, when we look at Detroit, are we confronted with the remnants of the nation's industrial past or a harbinger of its urban future?

The second is, what are we going to do about it? And no, that's not Detroit's problem alone. If a similar collapse happened to San Francisco or San Diego or Denver or Dallas, there would be national cries for intervention. Detroit we treat like a crash on the freeway: something to gawk at, then forget while we blame auto executives — the driver — for their follies and ignore the injured passengers.

Detroit has played a significant role in my life. I worked there for a decade, nearly a third of my career as a journalist. My two sons were born there. I endured 18 months on a picket line during the newspaper strike that began in July 1995. And I keep getting drawn back. I was there most recently in January for three weeks researching a book I'm writing on the history of Detroit, trying to explain to outsiders how it got to be in the mess it's in.

The collapse of Detroit has roots in intentional de-industrialization by the Big Three automakers, which in the 1950s began aggressively spider-webbing operations across the nation to produce cars closer to regional markets, and to reduce labor costs by investing in less labor-friendly places than union-heavy Detroit. Their flight was augmented by government policies that, in the 1970s and 1980s particularly, forced municipalities and states to compete with each other for jobs by offering corporate tax breaks and other inducements to keep or draw business investments, a bit of whipsawing that helped companies profit at the expense of communities.

Racism plays a significant role too. Detroit's white flight exploded in the 1950s and '60s, after courts struck down local and federal policies that had allowed segregated housing. That was followed by middle-class flight on the part of blacks and whites as crime endemic to high-poverty, high-unemployment neighborhoods began spreading. It's significant to note that Detroit's inner-ring suburbs have been picking up African American populations as young Detroit families seek safety, stability and more reliable schools. As they run out of the city, its vast socioeconomic problems become even more distilled, more pronounced.

Detroit stands as the reverse image of what we think a modern American city should be. Where most have a few "bad" neighborhoods, Detroit has a few "good" neighborhoods, and they are eroding quickly with the middle-class exodus. Working-age Detroiters face chronic unemployment in a dying industrial economy. The city has been buffeted by generations of racial friction and let down by governmental institutions that have failed at basic tasks, from education to crime prevention.

One in three Detroiters, triple the national rate, lived below the federal poverty line in 2007 — before the economic crisis and auto industry bankruptcies and bailouts — making Detroit the poorest of the nation's big cities. Detroit's per capita 2009 income was estimated at $15,310, compared with a national rate of $27,041 (Los Angeles' was $27,070). And that was when the population was estimated to be more than 900,000 people.

To tweak the adage about how it takes a village to raise a child, it will take a nation to save a city. So, as a nation, and as a mature society, what are we going to do about Detroit?

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It's really sad.

My family and I bolted in 1984, most of my other immediate family followed in the early 90's. I have one Aunt & Uncle and two Cousins left there. I hated my parents for moving away from Detroit. As a teenager it was a tough move. I always vowed to go back there after I got out of school, but after a couple of visits, I realized pretty quick that I would never move back.

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Detroit has been destroyed by the people living there. They have CHOSEN not to address issues, they have ignored basic needs, and as a result of their own ineptitude the people in the suburbs aren't willing to help....at all.

The people of Detroit have been played by the politicians they have continued to put into office. They've elected criminals, and re-elect those criminals despite the evidence being overwhelming that said politicians are scamming left and right. Kwame Kilpatrick and his family are but a small portion of that. Coleman Young was a racist SOB, who polarized the city from the suburbs. And when the people in Detroit DID get it right by electing Dennis Archer, they countered his abilities by electing a bunch of morons to City Council who basically struck down all the positive things Archer wanted to do.

They've made their own sewer.

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Detroit has been destroyed by the people living there. They have CHOSEN not to address issues, they have ignored basic needs, and as a result of their own ineptitude the people in the suburbs aren't willing to help....at all.

The people of Detroit have been played by the politicians they have continued to put into office. They've elected criminals, and re-elect those criminals despite the evidence being overwhelming that said politicians are scamming left and right. Kwame Kilpatrick and his family are but a small portion of that. Coleman Young was a racist SOB, who polarized the city from the suburbs. And when the people in Detroit DID get it right by electing Dennis Archer, they countered his abilities by electing a bunch of morons to City Council who basically struck down all the positive things Archer wanted to do.

They've made their own sewer.


I still fel for Detroit, but htye did make their own bed to sleep in...

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Kwame and the corrupt Detroit leaders over the past 30 years has destroyed the city. Sure, the auto industry of the 70s and 80s sure didn't help matters, but it could have been limited had it not been for one of the worst leadership councils ever to reside over a city...that and the clowns in Lansing not helping matters much either.

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Kwame and the corrupt Detroit leaders over the past 30 years has destroyed the city. Sure, the auto industry of the 70s and 80s sure didn't help matters, but it could have been limited had it not been for one of the worst leadership councils ever to reside over a city...that and the clowns in Lansing not helping matters much either.


Coleman Young raped that City, and it has been a scorn, jaded, shell of itself ever since. Young was in power when the corruption ran through the DPW, and grew into other City departments until the majority of the MANY leaders of the various departments were all on the take.


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Everyone ought to do themselves a favor and do a little research. Look up the highest poverty-ridden cities, or those with the worst graduation rates, or those with the highest unemployment, or those with the highest taxation. Next, look up the political affiliation of the mayors and councils of those cities over the past few decades. The results aren't surprising in the least. Big Government doesn't work, yet the idiots in those cities keep re-electing the morons that brought about the problem in the first place. I'm sorry, but they don't have my sympathy at all. If you want to get out of the mess that you're in, elect people that will give you opportunities instead of those that offer handouts.

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