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Earth Hour Australia

At 8:30pm this Saturday, Earth Hour will sweep around the globe as people switch off their lights and celebrate a worldwide commitment to protect our planet.

This year, when the lights go back on, we want you to think about what you can do beyond the hour to contribute to a more sustainable future.


http://www.earthhour.org.au/

I don't know about anyone else, but I plan to turn on every light in my house at 8:30 tonight in defiance of the EnviroNazis. :lol:

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March 26th, 2011, 11:37 am
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Earth Hour Australia

At 8:30pm this Saturday, Earth Hour will sweep around the globe as people switch off their lights and celebrate a worldwide commitment to protect our planet.

This year, when the lights go back on, we want you to think about what you can do beyond the hour to contribute to a more sustainable future.


http://www.earthhour.org.au/

I don't know about anyone else, but I plan to turn on every light in my house at 8:30 tonight in defiance of the EnviroNazis. :lol:


I'll be out. I doubt the establishment is going to turn the lights off, but if they do I'm leaving out on my tab!

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March 26th, 2011, 12:19 pm
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Just to poke some more fun at global warming idiots on the day they plan to turn out their lights:
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David Evans, Carbon Accounting Modeler, Says It’s a Scam
Dr David Evans’ address to the Anti-Carbon-Tax rally, Perth Australia, 23 March 2011.

Good Morning Ladies and Gentlemen.

The debate about global warming has reached ridiculous proportions and is full of micro thin half-truths and misunderstandings. I am a scientist who was on the carbon gravy train, understands the evidence, was once an alarmist, but am now a skeptic. Watching this issue unfold has been amusing but, lately, worrying. This issue is tearing society apart, making fools and liars out of our politicians.

Let’s set a few things straight.
The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s. But the gravy train was too big, with too many jobs, industries, trading profits, political careers, and the possibility of world government and total control riding on the outcome. So rather than admit they were wrong, the governments, and their tame climate scientists, now cheat and lie outrageously to maintain the fiction that carbon dioxide is a dangerous pollutant.

Let’s be perfectly clear. Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, and other things being equal, the more carbon dioxide in the air, the warmer the planet. Every bit of carbon dioxide that we emit warms the planet. But the issue is not whether carbon dioxide warms the planet, but how much.

Most scientists, on both sides, also agree on how much a given increase in the level of carbon dioxide raises the planet’s temperature, if just the extra carbon dioxide is considered. These calculations come from laboratory experiments; the basic physics have been well known for a century.

The disagreement comes about what happens next.
The planet reacts to that extra carbon dioxide, which changes everything. Most critically, the extra warmth causes more water to evaporate from the oceans. But does the water hang around and increase the height of moist air in the atmosphere, or does it simply create more clouds and rain? Back in 1980, when the carbon dioxide theory started, no one knew. The alarmists guessed that it would increase the height of moist air around the planet, which would warm the planet even further, because the moist air is also a greenhouse gas.

This is the core idea of every official climate model: for each bit of warming due to carbon dioxide, they claim it ends up causing three bits of warming due to the extra moist air. The climate models amplify the carbon dioxide warming by a factor of three – so two thirds of their projected warming is due to extra moist air (and other factors), only one third is due to extra carbon dioxide.

I’ll bet you didn’t know that. Hardly anyone in the public does, but it’s the core of the issue. All the disagreements, lies, and misunderstanding spring from this. The alarmist case is based on this guess about moisture in the atmosphere, and there is simply no evidence for the amplification that is at the core of their alarmism. Which is why the alarmists keep so quiet about it and you’ve never heard of it before. And it tells you what a poor job the media have done in covering this issue.

Weather balloons had been measuring the atmosphere since the 1960s, many thousands of them every year. The climate models all predict that as the planet warms, a hot-spot of moist air will develop over the tropics about 10km up, as the layer of moist air expands upwards into the cool dry air above. During the warming of the late 1970s, 80s, and 90s, the weather balloons found no hot-spot. None at all. Not even a small one. This evidence proves that the climate models are fundamentally flawed, that they greatly overestimate the temperature increases due to carbon dioxide.

This evidence first became clear around the mid 1990s.
At this point official “climate science” stopped being a science. You see, in science empirical evidence always trumps theory, no matter how much you are in love with the theory. If theory and evidence disagree, real scientists scrap the theory. But official climate science ignored the crucial weather balloon evidence, and other subsequent evidence that backs it up, and instead clung to their carbon dioxide theory — that just happens to keep them in well-paying jobs with lavish research grants, and gives great political power to their government masters.

There are now several independent pieces of evidence showing that the earth responds to the warming due to extra carbon dioxide by dampening the warming. Every long-lived natural system behaves this way, counteracting any disturbance, otherwise the system would be unstable. The climate system is no exception, and now we can prove it.

But the alarmists say the exact opposite, that the climate system amplifies any warming due to extra carbon dioxide, and is potentially unstable. Surprise surprise, their predictions of planetary temperature made in 1988 to the US Congress, and again in 1990, 1995, and 2001, have all proved much higher than reality.

They keep lowering the temperature increases they expect, from 0.30C per decade in 1990, to 0.20C per decade in 2001, and now 0.15C per decade – yet they have the gall to tell us “it’s worse than expected”. These people are not scientists. They over-estimate the temperature increases due to carbon dioxide, selectively deny evidence, and now they cheat and lie to conceal the truth.

One way they cheat is in the way they measure temperature.
The official thermometers are often located in the warm exhaust of air conditioning outlets, over hot tarmac at airports where they get blasts of hot air from jet engines, at wastewater plants where they get warmth from decomposing sewage, or in hot cities choked with cars and buildings. Global warming is measured in tenths of a degree, so any extra heating nudge is important. In the US, nearly 90% of official thermometers surveyed by volunteers violate official siting requirements that they not be too close to an artificial heating source. Nearly 90%! The photos of these thermometers are on the Internet; you can get to them via the corruption paper at my site, sciencespeak.com. Look at the photos, and you’ll never trust a government climate scientist again.

They place their thermometers in warm localities, and call the results “global” warming. Anyone can understand that this is cheating. They say that 2010 is the warmest recent year, but it was only the warmest at various airports, selected air conditioners, and certain car parks.

Global temperature is also measured by satellites, which measure nearly the whole planet 24/7without bias. The satellites say the hottest recent year was 1998, and that since 2001 the global temperature has leveled off.

So it’s a question of trust.
If it really is warming up as the government climate scientists say, why do they present only the surface thermometer results and not mention the satellite results? And why do they put their thermometers near artificial heating sources? This is so obviously a scam now.

So what is really going on with the climate?
The earth has been in a warming trend since the depth of the Little Ice Age around 1680. Human emissions of carbon dioxide were negligible before 1850 and have nearly all come after WWII, so human carbon dioxide cannot possibly have caused the trend. Within the trend, the Pacific Decadal Oscillation causes alternating global warming and cooling for 25 – 30 years at a go in each direction. We have just finished a warming phase, so expect mild global cooling for the next two decades.

We are now at an extraordinary juncture.
Official climate science, which is funded and directed entirely by government, promotes a theory that is based on a guess about moist air that is now a known falsehood. Governments gleefully accept their advice, because the only way to curb emissions are to impose taxes and extend government control over all energy use. And to curb emissions on a world scale might even lead to world government — how exciting for the political class!

A carbon tax?
Even if Australia stopped emitting all carbon dioxide tomorrow, completely shut up shop and went back to the stone age, according to the official government climate models it would be cooler in 2050 by about 0.015 degrees. But their models exaggerate tenfold – in fact our sacrifices would make the planet in 2050 a mere 0.0015 degrees cooler!

Sorry, but you’ve been had.
Finally, to those of you who still believe the planet is in danger from our carbon dioxide emissions: sorry, but you’ve been had. Yes carbon dioxide a cause of global warming, but it’s so minor it’s not worth doing much about.

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Dr David Evans consulted full-time for the Australian Greenhouse Office (now the Department of Climate Change) from 1999 to 2005, and part-time 2008 to 2010, modeling Australia’s carbon in plants, debris, mulch, soils, and forestry and agricultural products. Evans is a mathematician and engineer, with six university degrees including a PhD from Stanford University in electrical engineering. The area of human endeavor with the most experience and sophistication in dealing with feedbacks and analyzing complex systems is electrical engineering, and the most crucial and disputed aspects of understanding the climate system are the feedbacks. The evidence supporting the idea that CO2 emissions were the main cause of global warming reversed itself from 1998 to 2006, causing Evans to move from being a warmist to a skeptic.


http://joannenova.com.au/2011/03/david-evans-carbon-modeler-says-its-a-scam/

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March 26th, 2011, 6:52 pm
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All of my lights are now on! :D

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Dr Evans is an unreliable source. See: http://bravenewclimate.com/2008/08/10/d ... -alarmist/

I'm skeptical of man-made global warming, but I'm not going to reject it. There are a lot of people a lot more intelligent than I am who believe in it. But that doesn't mean I support carbon taxes or caps.


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In celebration for Earth Hour, I rented the Al Gore movie and watched it, with every light on in the house, and I even put my Christmas lights back up, making sure to spell Earth Hour. I also turned my truck on and let it idle for that hour, and proceeded to grill steaks so that more cattle would be needed for the market. I even tried to find some Tuna fish WITH dolphins included...


No I didn't, as I just read this whole nonsense, but if I'd of been aware, it would have been nice to do it, and advertise it for all the tree huggers to cringe. Peta, PETT (people for the ethical treatment of trees) and so on....

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Even if Global warming is a farce, our energy issues and pollution is not.

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Even if Global warming is a farce, our energy issues and pollution is not.


agreed! Those of us with children have a responsibility to try to leave this world a better place and I see no issue with energy conservation and continued searches for clean and renewable/sustainable energy sources.

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All my lights were off.. and I did it for the reason Pablo mentioned above.

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that's fine, y'all can try and save the created if you so wish, I am more concerned with doing the will of the Creator.

There are far too many people who need to know and see His love for me to worry about 20+ years down the road, when the probability is HIGHLY unlikely we'll see 20 + years.

I'm sure this will be seen as a hijack, and it isn't, I'm just stating that although I do my best to pick up around me, and take care of things I own, I'm not going to invest a single dime in the nonsense Gore is selling, especially when he doesn't lead by example.

I meant my initial response as a joke, but fully understand the ramifications of not taking care of the wild. It's called being a good steward, but I still prefre to save the people first, before I worry about something that is about to be recreated.

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Take a visit to LA or Shanghai and tell me if pollution is not a problem.

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that's fine, y'all can try and save the created if you so wish, I am more concerned with doing the will of the Creator.

There are far too many people who need to know and see His love for me to worry about 20+ years down the road, when the probability is HIGHLY unlikely we'll see 20 + years.

I'm sure this will be seen as a hijack, and it isn't, I'm just stating that although I do my best to pick up around me, and take care of things I own, I'm not going to invest a single dime in the nonsense Gore is selling, especially when he doesn't lead by example.

I meant my initial response as a joke, but fully understand the ramifications of not taking care of the wild. It's called being a good steward, but I still prefre to save the people first, before I worry about something that is about to be recreated.


1) Why does anything GOOD for us have to be lambasted with stupid Gore comments? Just because he pushes an agenda that isn't proven correct doesn't mean he defaces the rest of the proven problems. We are not talking world destruction discussions we are talking quality of living for some and living or dying for others TODAY.

2) Saying that this problem is 20+ years away is a cop out. The problem is now. We are getting sicker and more unhealthy from choices 20+ years ago, not choice now. We are already at the point in some places where it is OBVIOUS we are making decisions that hurt people today. From a Christian perspeective, we are padding our lifestyle from an energy usage standpoint, polluting our air and water to a point that respretory problems and cancer is being caused NOW with the increased levels of pollution, and people are NOW dying early and given less chance to recieve Christ from our actions.

It is not a future problem, it is a problem now. It is physically visable in most cities and disgunstingly visual in a few larger cities. We are not in the situation where you have to chose to save someone or be better stewards of the planet. It is now the same thing... in fact... you can kill birds with two stones. just by reducing your driving a few trips or conserving energy you can save mony then use that money to go help someone. You help cleant he air, decrease resource usage, and then have a few extra bucks to give to the widow to help fix her house while oyu share Christ.

I don't see the mutual expclusion most Christians put on being good stewards... they are actually mutually inclusive in the fact you better do help other NOW by using less energy and reducing waste. Energy cost $$$ and so does waste... use less, more capable to support a ministry!

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Steesn,

To your point: Gore represents a misguided aristocracy that would have us believe the "sky is falling" and they are using it for therir benefit, which is ulitmately control.

I was trying to point out the foolishness of this save the earth mantra. I am only responsible for my own actions, and I can NOT force my will or way of life upon anyone else. Now if I choose to consider reaching those who were created in the image of God, instead of the planet He created, as more important, then that is my choice.

For as much as I love the out doors, and I will have you know that I love it very much! I have personally seen the other extreme which is reckless and foolish. For example: during training exercises, in a military installation, for every drop of oil spilled, 1 sq. yard of earth needed to be dug up. Ridiculous? Or how about this, human water waste needed to be 100 yds from any water source, understandable, but solid waste needed to be packed out? Seriously?

the 20+ year statement is not a cop out it is a true statement, we've been sledding on a slippery slope for a while now, and this current regime is exacerbating the issue very quickly. It is not "Christians" who are creating the issues as much as it is a society thing. Our American Society is very SELFISH, and SELF FOCUSED, this is what is causing much of the hurt. However, our greed as a nation is also doing it too!

We don't have the stones to make the hard choices, because we all want what we want when we want it. If we were to quit giving out hand outs, and entitlements and replace them with work programs that would take the same people receiving the entitlements, especially the lifetime culprits, and put them to work cleaning trash from roadways, and or other community service projects, as a way of earning the free income they receive it does two things at least. 1. Creates self-esteem for having earned your keep instead of receiving a hand out.
2. Adds a sense of beauty to the community because they've invested in it.

This is turn will help keep the community clean, because once you've invested time to clean it up, you're not going to tolerate someone trashing it.

So yes things could be done to get things done now, but I wouldn't hold my breath because this nation isn't willing to give up the stuff in order for the benefit of all.

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Sorry Devil, I'm just going to have to disagree. I think you are finding reasons to not take responcability for what we all need to pitch in to do to keep from killing ourselves. If we cannot force people to dot he right thing then we cannot have any laws, I'm sorry, the logic cannot simply only be applied here, you have to keep it consistent across.

You are coming up with extreme case to justify not doing anything. I believe that is a bit of a copout. Again, nothing against you personally, it is American by nature.

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Steesn,

No worries, but please don't misinterpret my comment, I'm not "not doing" anything. When I go camping, or hiking with my family we go very low impact. We even pack out other trash found along the way. However, I strongly believe that the hug a tree foundation has taken a little piece of information and run with it, and have now created enough of a following to try and force their will upon everyone. One of my best friends, is absolutely adamant about living off the grid, AND he thinks that vehicles should be outlawed across the nation. Now getting back to reality, we should be investigating all sources of future energy. Till then, we need to use what we have HERE!
However, cash speaks volumes and us little guys will not have an impact on the wallets who control the costs world wide. But getting back to my point I believe it is far more important to reach and rescue those who were created in the image of the almighty, then it is to rescue the rock they're traveling on. It was here for "millions" of years before us, and it will be here till it's remade according to Scripture. We can disagree, that doesn't concern me in the least, but I believe in the end, we will see the truth for what it is, and marvel at how wrong we both probably were.

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