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They're in Little Creek, Va for now, but they and all SEALs are based out of Coronado, CA. It's no secret. They proudly say where they're located and dare anyone stupid enough to directly attack them. But yes, team assignments are classified.

As to the media, its their job to inform the public. Yes, sometimes that information can be dangerous, but in the case of the Strikers, the press putting that information out there forces the government to fix its oversights. Yes, its wrong for anyone to pay the price, but many more were saved because of those reports.

Its always a double edged sword. As a journalist, if you have the truth and don't share it, are you any better than those that neglect it?


May 6th, 2011, 3:08 pm
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They're in Little Creek, Va for now, but they and all SEALs are based out of Coronado, CA. It's no secret. They proudly say where they're located and dare anyone stupid enough to directly attack them. But yes, team assignments are classified.

As to the media, its their job to inform the public. Yes, sometimes that information can be dangerous, but in the case of the Strikers, the press putting that information out there forces the government to fix its oversights. Yes, its wrong for anyone to pay the price, but many more were saved because of those reports.

Its always a double edged sword. As a journalist, if you have the truth and don't share it, are you any better than those that neglect it?


Not exactly true.

All SEALs are trained in Coronado, CA. There are 2 Naval Special Warfare Groups. Group 1 is on the west coast and Group 2 is on the east coast. As with the Groups, the odd numbered SEAL Teams are based on the west coast at Naval Amphibious Base, Coronado, CA, and the even numbered teams are based on the east coast at Joint Expeditionary Base, Little Creek-Fort Story, BA.

Contrary to what most of the news has been reporting, SEAL Team 6 no longer exists. In 1987 it was dissolved into the Naval Special Warfare Center, Development Group, or DEVGRU. DEVGRU is a very large command based out of Virginia Beach, VA. The operational portion of the command is made up of SEALS and EOD Technicians. Most of the command is actually made up of "Support" personnel. These are the communications specialists, admin and logistics personnel and many others.

Note: Nothing I've stated here is classified or not readily available with some research.


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Mendenhall lost his endorsement with Champ Sports over his comments.

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Interesting discussion here about SEAL Team 6, so I'll add a few things about our "unconventional" forces.

First, I have no idea what SEAL Team 6's official designation was, but that name was thrown out there to confuse the USSR. At the time, there were only a couple of SEAL teams, so the US added the Team 6 moniker to make the Soviets believe there were more of them than there actually were. The name kinda stuck with them over the years though.

My first hand knowledge of these forces mostly rests with what most call Delta Force though. They're actually called 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment - Delta and everyone knows that they're stationed at Fort Bragg, NC. Their compound is known as "The Ranch" and I've actually been there and know several of the former operators. Releasing where these people are stationed will not jeopardize their security. Revealing their names, however, would. And I hope that will never happen.

Since it's been over 20 years, I guess I can say this. The day after Iraq invaded Kuwait, USA Today printed a photo of a Kuwatii Emir being escorted out of his country surrounded by security. One of the guys in the photo was a member of Delta Force who I recognized. This is just one example of our "unconventional" forces doing things that the general public has no idea about. And that's a good thing. Most people probably don't want to know what they do on a regular basis.

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It's just a matter of time before we waste several more terrorists now:
CBS News wrote:
Bin Laden raid intel yields leads on al Qaeda No. 2 al Zawahiri
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The intelligence community has obtained "positive intelligence" from the materials taken from Osama bin Laden's compound which is helping narrow down the locations of core al Qaeda leadership including the whereabouts of Ayman al Zawahiri, al Qaeda's former No. 2 man and a candidate to succeed bin Laden.

The intelligence source said that there are "numerous" leads giving them locations but cautioned that they are fluid as al Qaeda leaders may be on the run, changing their locations.

"It's not as easy as going to an address. They may not be there anymore but it helps a point of reference," the source said.

Analysts are working around the clock scrutinizing the documents and 2.7 terabytes of computer data, knowing that the information may be perishable.

The tribal of Pakistan targeted in the strike is called the Datta Khel, where senior al Qaeda leadership is suspected of operating their training camps.

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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-20060554-503543.html
The wussy Obama, who slept on the decision to target Bin Laden, needs to step it up and kill these idiots while the intel is still reliable. Use drones, special forces, B-2 bombers, or whatever it takes to get the job done.

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This article sums up how clueless and incompetent Obama truly is:
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The Fog of Fog
By Michelle Malkin • May 6, 2011 08:36 AM

Today’s syndicated column summarizes the week in bin Laden narrative bungles. The Navy SEALs did what they were told to do. It’s President Obama’s civilian messengers who can’t tell a straight story and do right by our heroes who risked their lives. The White House Keystone Kops aren’t just squandering a public opinion bump. They’re squandering the victory of our men in uniform, along with the intel-gatherers who made the mission possible. Milblogger Greyhawk reminds us of a past bungled narrative from this administration that undermined troop morale and national security. As Blackfive military blogger Froggy put it bluntly: “Get your s**t together, Mr President!”

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The Fog of Fog
by Michelle Malkin
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The official White House account of Osama bin Laden’s demise has seen more slapdash cosmetic surgery over the past week than your average “Real Housewives” reality-show star. President Obama’s allies attribute the bungled “narrative” (their word, not mine) to the “Fog of War.” But each passing day — and each new set of hapless revisions — shows that what really ails the administration is the Fog of Fog.

Errors happen. Miscommunications happen. Confusing the name of which of bin Laden’s myriad sons died (Hamza, not Khalid), for example, is no biggie.

But the hourly revamping of key details of Sunday’s raid suggests something far beyond the usual realm of situational uncertainty that accompanies any military operation. The Navy SEALs did their job spectacularly. The civilians tasked with letting the world know about the mission, however, have performed like amateur dinner theater actors in a tragi-comic production of “Rashomon-meets-The Blind Men and the Elephant-meets-Keystone Kops.”

Incapable of straightforward answers, Team Obama’s clarity-challenged civilians have led nauseated news-watchers through more twists and turns than San Francisco’s Lombard Street.

Take your Dramamine, and let’s review.

Take One: Bin Laden died in a bloody firefight.

On Sunday night, Obama dramatically told the world that “after a firefight,” our brave men in uniform “killed Osama bin Laden and took custody of his body.”

Embellishing the story the next morning, White House deputy national security adviser John Brennan said at his briefing that bin Laden “was engaged in a firefight with those that entered the area of the house he was in. … And whether or not he got off any rounds, I quite frankly don’t know. … It was a firefight. He, therefore, was killed in that firefight.”

Take Two: Bin Laden did not engage in a firefight.

The day after Brennan disclosed such vivid details, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney walked them back Michael Jackson-style. Bin Laden, he said in version 2.0, “was not armed.” Brennan had clearly implied that bin Laden “resisted” with arms. Carney amended the narrative by insisting that “resistance does not require a firearm.” How exactly bin Laden resisted, Carney would not say.

It’s been all downhill, uphill, K-turns and 180s ever since. Fasten your seatbelts:

Take Three: Bin Laden’s wife died after her feckless husband used her as a human shield.

Take Four: Bin Laden’s wife did not die, wasn’t used as a human shield and was only shot in the leg. Someone else’s wife was killed, somewhere else in the house.

Take Five: A transport helicopter experienced “mechanical failure” and was forced to make a hard landing during the mission.

Take Six: A top-secret helicopter clipped the bin Laden compound wall, crashed and was purposely exploded after the mission to prevent our enemies from learning more about it.

Take Seven: The bin Laden photos would be released to the world as proof positive of his death.

Take Eight: The bin Laden photos would not be released to the world because no one needs proof and it’s more important to avoid offending peaceful Muslims who supposedly don’t embrace bin Laden as a “true” Muslim in the first place.

Take Nine: Bin Laden’s compound was a lavish mansion.

Take Ten: Bin Laden’s compound was a glorified pigsty.

Take Eleven: Bin Laden’s compound had absolutely no television, phone or computer access.

Take Twelve: Bin Laden’s compound was stocked with hard drives, thumb drives, DVDs and computers galore.

Take Thirteen: Er, remember that statement about bin Laden being armed? And then not armed? Well, the new version is that he had an AK-47 “nearby.”

Take Fourteen: A gung-ho Obama spearheaded the “gutsy” mission.

Take Fifteen: A reluctant Obama dithered for 16 hours before being persuaded by CIA Director Leon Panetta.

Take Sixteen: Obama, Vice President Joe Biden and close advisers watched the raid unfold in real time — “minute by minute,” according to Carney — and a gripping insider photo was posted immediately by the White House on the Flickr picture-sharing website for all to see.

Take Seventeen: Er, they weren’t really watching real-time video “minute by minute” because there was at least nearly a half-hour that they “didn’t know just exactly what was going on,” Panetta clarified. Or rather, un-clarified.

Take Eighteen: Stalwart Obama’s order was to kill, not capture, bin Laden.

Take Nineteen: Sensitive Obama’s order was to kill (SET ITAL) or (END ITAL) capture — and that’s why the SEAL team gave him a chance to surrender, upon which he resisted with arms, or actually didn’t resist with arms, but sort of resisted without arms, except there was an AK-47 nearby, sort of, or maybe not, thus making it possible to assert that while Decisive Obama did tell the SEALs to kill bin Laden and should claim all credit for doing so, Progressive Obama can also be absolved by bleeding hearts because of the painstakingly concocted post facto possibility that bin Laden somehow threatened our military — telepathically or something — before being taken out.

Take Twenty: “We’ve been as forthcoming with facts as we can be,” said an irritated Carney on Wednesday.

And they wonder why Americans of all political stripes think they’re blowing smoke.


http://michellemalkin.com/2011/05/06/the-fog-of-fog/

When an entire administration has been programmed to do nothing but lie, this is what will inevitably happen. Can't they just attempt to tell the truth for once? It would not surprise me in the least to see Eric Holder bring charges against the SEALs for disobeying orders by killing Bin Laden instead of capturing him. In fact, nothing this corrupt regime does surprises me anymore.

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And he turned his back on a 9/11 family member after she pressed him on Holder dropping charges on the CIA members who did the harsh interrogation that led to the courier info.


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njroar, I know and that's just another thing that disgusts me about this administration. They only care about themselves and their own power as opposed to the people they're supposed to represent. That woman was affected more than most from 9-11, yet Obama wouldn't give her the time of day. It was a photo-op and campaign trip for him and nothing more. The sooner people wake up to this, the better off we will be.

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Meet "SEAL Team 6", The Bad-Asses Who Killed Osama bin Laden

May 2, 2011 11:27 AM
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Meet ‘SEAL Team 6′, The Bad-Asses Who Killed Osama bin Laden

Robert W. Johnson - Business Insider —

The military team that killed Osama Bin Laden is an elite special forces group unofficially called SEAL Team 6.

Officially, the team's name is classified and not available to the public, technically there is no team 6. A Tier-One counter-terrorism force similar to the Army's elusive Delta group, Team 6's mission rarely make it to paper much less the newspaper.

It shows how important the publicity about Bin Laden's killing is to the U.S. that this morning, Team 6 is front page news.

The members of Team 6 are all "black" operatives. They exist outside military protocol, engage in operations that are at the highest level of classification and often outside the boundaries of international law. To maintain plausible deniability in case they are caught, records of black operations are rarely, if ever, kept.

The development of SEAL Team 6 was in direct response to the 1980 attempt to rescue the American hostages held in Iran. The mission was a terrific failure that fell apart at many points and illustrated the need for a dedicated counter-terrorist team capable of operating with the utmost secrecy.

The Team was labeled 6 at the time to confuse Soviet intelligence about the number of SEAL teams in operation at the time. There were only two others.

Team 6 poached the top operatives from other SEAL units and trained them even more intensely from there. Even among proven SEAL's the attrition rate for Team 6 is reported to be nearly half.

There are no names available for current Team 6 members, but the CIA does recruit heavily from their numbers for their Special Operations Group, so it makes sense that they were chosen to work with the CIA on this mission.

Meet 'SEAL Team 6', The Bad-Asses Who Killed Osama bin LadenTeam 6 is normally devoted to missions with maritime authority: ship rescues, oil rigs, naval bases or land bases accessible by water. There are no waterways near Bin Laden's compound.

When a former Navy SEAL was called for a comment about this article all he could say was: "You know I'd love to help you man, but I can't say a word about Team 6. There is no Team 6."

http://m.current.com/shows/upstream/931 ... -laden.htm


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I'm surprised the administration came out and said that it was a kill-centered directive. I understand the reasoning behind it, but I'm shocked to hear that they were dead set on killing him, rather than attempting to capture and extract information out of him and later "bring him to justice" before a mock tribunal.


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I'm surprised the administration came out and said that it was a kill-centered directive. I understand the reasoning behind it, but I'm shocked to hear that they were dead set on killing him, rather than attempting to capture and extract information out of him and later "bring him to justice" before a mock tribunal.


It is a bit of honesty we aren't used to. The mission was more about getting things done and keep the troops safe than some big public fiasco. I don't give Obama credit for finally capturing him, I think this was just good timing for him. But I do give him credit on how he's handled it. It's a no BS, get the job done, let's keep it on the down low compared to past intances.

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It is a bit of honesty we aren't used to. The mission was more about getting things done and keep the troops safe than some big public fiasco. I don't give Obama credit for finally capturing him, I think this was just good timing for him. But I do give him credit on how he's handled it. It's a no BS, get the job done, let's keep it on the down low compared to past intances.


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wjb21ndtown wrote:
I'm surprised the administration came out and said that it was a kill-centered directive. I understand the reasoning behind it, but I'm shocked to hear that they were dead set on killing him, rather than attempting to capture and extract information out of him and later "bring him to justice" before a mock tribunal.


It is a bit of honesty we aren't used to. The mission was more about getting things done and keep the troops safe than some big public fiasco. I don't give Obama credit for finally capturing him, I think this was just good timing for him. But I do give him credit on how he's handled it. It's a no BS, get the job done, let's keep it on the down low compared to past intances.



I understand the point, but I think the intelligence that we could have gotten out of him would have been interesting. However, it shows a striking contrast to GWB's desire to "bring them all to justice," and his willingness to use a Court or Military Tribunal to do it. There is something to be said for the legitimacy and respect for the rule of law under GWB's process. I'm not saying that he is always right, and I'm not his biggest fan, but I do think that it is odd that Obama, the guy that is on the "side of the law," domestic trials, "closing Gitmo" (in quotes because he has reversed his position on this), etc. went in with a shoot first mentality.


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I understand the point, but I think the intelligence that we could have gotten out of him would have been interesting. However, it shows a striking contrast to GWB's desire to "bring them all to justice," and his willingness to use a Court or Military Tribunal to do it. There is something to be said for the legitimacy and respect for the rule of law under GWB's process. I'm not saying that he is always right, and I'm not his biggest fan, but I do think that it is odd that Obama, the guy that is on the "side of the law," domestic trials, "closing Gitmo" (in quotes because he has reversed his position on this), etc. went in with a shoot first mentality.


I can see that, it does seem a bit like Obama would have done the jury thing and Bush would have snipered him... it's a bit interesting. I actually agree I would have expected Obama to take him alive. I have to give props to him though on the whole situation. I agree with not showing the photo and giving him a proper Muslim burial from a public relations standpoint.

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wjb, I agree that it would have been nice to gather some intelligence from Osama Bin Laden, but without enhanced interrogation techniques, how much would he have said? Chances are that we would have got little to nothing useful out of him.

On the flip side, think about the consequences if the US was actually going to put Bin Laden on trial? There would have been terrorist attacks and/or threats in an effort to get him released and the security aspect of a trial would have been a nightmare. The costs would have run into the tens (if not hundreds) of millions of dollars. No thank you. A quick double tap put an end to that nonsense.

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