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You also forget that a lot of the specialized police weapons right now are auto rifles, that use pistol ammo. Penetration is a problem in tight spaces. And if you then advocate for handguns only for police, you open a whole other can of worms. Let's not forget that it was our own government selling automatic rifles to the drug cartels in mexico in a "tracking experiment" that they still won't take credit for. The only thing they're tracking now is corpses. You go right ahead and trust the government to disarm the populace with your best interest at heart.


No handguns for cops either - rifles & rifle rounds.

I thought the dea admitted their involvement in that whole deal.. Legalize marijuana and Mexican drug cartels cease to exist - problem solved.



yeah cuz no one does coke anymore right??? GENIOUS!


June 8th, 2011, 4:27 pm
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aughsum wrote:
No handguns for cops either - rifles & rifle rounds.
I thought the dea admitted their involvement in that whole deal.. Legalize marijuana and Mexican drug cartels cease to exist - problem solved.



yeah cuz no one does coke anymore right??? GENIOUS!


;)

And no one committs murder because it is illegal. And no one speeds because it is illegal. And no one... blah blah blah...

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regularjoe12 wrote:
aughsum wrote:
njroar wrote:
You also forget that a lot of the specialized police weapons right now are auto rifles, that use pistol ammo. Penetration is a problem in tight spaces. And if you then advocate for handguns only for police, you open a whole other can of worms. Let's not forget that it was our own government selling automatic rifles to the drug cartels in mexico in a "tracking experiment" that they still won't take credit for. The only thing they're tracking now is corpses. You go right ahead and trust the government to disarm the populace with your best interest at heart.


No handguns for cops either - rifles & rifle rounds.

I thought the dea admitted their involvement in that whole deal.. Legalize marijuana and Mexican drug cartels cease to exist - problem solved.



yeah cuz no one does coke anymore right??? GENIOUS!


Legalize that too.. Why should we care if people want to harm their own bodies? We shouldn't be funding operations that fight against lost causes.


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steensn wrote:
regularjoe12 wrote:
aughsum wrote:
No handguns for cops either - rifles & rifle rounds.
I thought the dea admitted their involvement in that whole deal.. Legalize marijuana and Mexican drug cartels cease to exist - problem solved.



yeah cuz no one does coke anymore right??? GENIOUS!


;)

And no one committs murder because it is illegal. And no one speeds because it is illegal. And no one... blah blah blah...


Huh? We're not talking about legalizing murder, we're talking about legalizina non-harmful plant - we're not even talking about that.. This was an afterthought to e gu ncontrol discussion.

The thing wth laws.. If I want to smoke weed, I'm going to smoke weed - it doesn't hurt anyone. If I want to do coke, I'm going to do coke - I don't believe in hard drugs, but the people who like them are going to continue to do them, regardless of the law - in the current format, the only thing keeping drugs illegal does is fuel black-market trade/gangs, etc.


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but the people who like them are going to continue to do them, regardless of the law - in the current format, the only thing keeping drugs illegal does is fuel black-market trade/gangs, etc.


And the people who like killing will continue to kill with and without guns regardless fo gun laws.

You've noted several times that people will change behavior with with incentives yet note about the opposite.

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June 8th, 2011, 5:18 pm
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exactly my thinking! how can you be so common sense about all that but still think criminals will magically give up their pistols??


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regularjoe12 wrote:
exactly my thinking! how can you be so common sense about all that but still think criminals will magically give up their pistols??


I never said criminals will give up their pistols, they would have to be systematically removed from society by discontinuing new pistol/ammo manufacturing, melting down collected pistols, upping/advertising penalties for handgun possession.. It really wouldn't be as bad as you think.. Most illegal handguns are stolen from legal owners and sold on the black market > those legal owners give up their guns and it cuts things off at the supply level.


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steensn wrote:
aughsum wrote:
but the people who like them are going to continue to do them, regardless of the law - in the current format, the only thing keeping drugs illegal does is fuel black-market trade/gangs, etc.


And the people who like killing will continue to kill with and without guns regardless fo gun laws.

You've noted several times that people will change behavior with with incentives yet note about the opposite.


But without guns, people have to be physically capable of killing, not just capable of pulling a trigger like a pussy.


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ok Ill bite..and how do you get GLOBAL manufacturers to stop producing excellent weapons of war? LEGALLY!


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ok Ill bite..and how do you get GLOBAL manufacturers to stop producing excellent weapons of war? LEGALLY!


With laws restricting the sale of guns under 36" within us borders.

Now that I think about it, I'm not sure that would even be nessicarry.. Just discontinue/reform all forms of welfare/food stamps/housing assistnce, affirmative action laws, raise city housing taxes, lower city business taxes, legalize drugs entirely, legalize tasers, heavier taxes on gasoline... Would criminals be able to survive all of that? It seems like natural selection would be overwhelming, at that point.


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But without guns, people have to be physically capable of killing, not just capable of pulling a trigger like a pussy.


Burden of proof is that a law banning guns will make them go away. You've already said that banning drugs just created a drug cartels and drugs are all over the place. Why is this different? Why will guns go away?

You are making contradictory statements tow support opposing views on different subjects. How do you make the leap?

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June 8th, 2011, 7:36 pm
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Yup, DC banned guns and it became murder capital of the world. Then Chicago did the same thing and voila, it followed suit. Britain Banned guns and violent crime jumped by a large amount. Australia banned guns and violent crime jumped 60%.

And you think completely removing welfare would make people less violent? Actually the desperate will become more desperate and become more violent.

Seriously, take a look at simple cause and effect. The increase of welfare systems that form dependency have increased the amount of poor in this country, not decreased it. The very people advocating for it are the ones that claim to be the champions of those same people. And you've gotten more and more people dependent on the government. Dependency = control.

And you think they'd eliminate that control in order to get rid of criminals? No, crime helps them maintain control. That's why you never see a true crime bill come up in government. They're too busy making criminals comfortable with satellite tv in a prison complex that is entirely funded by tax payer dollars. Make them work?.. no, that would be inhumane. Instead let's make them comfortable at the cost of $30k per inmate. Yeah, that's the humane choice for everyone... boggle.

Seriously, you have no coherent thought, just what you assume are easy problems. If they were so easy, they wouldn't be a problem for over half a century.


June 8th, 2011, 8:24 pm
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Because lesser countries tried something and it didn't work out, does not mean that, designed properly, a similar implimentation wouldn't succeed here. I have no coherent thought? You have no basis you make that assumption - this is pure speculation, there are no absolutes in pure speculation, on either side of the argument.

We're basically talking about designing a utopian society - were these changes to go along with pure digital currency, how exactly would e desperation level of criminals matter? Right, it wouldn't. It's not a conspiracy, man - the gov doesn't purposely supplement the poor to keep them under control, it just turned out like this because of bad ideas and poorly designed systems - again, no conspiracy.

When something doesn't work, you don't just stick with it, you make changes to try and improve things - at least I'm doing that, you all seem content with being a nation of bible-thumping, gun-toting, welfare-dependent ingrates - I guess thats what you get when you go through the system properly - happy childhoods, mundane existences, hand-me-down values and beliefs.. You all have a stake in al of iths - I'd imagine some are on welfare, some are in the NRA/military, etc - you don't want to see the gravy train end, I understand that, but personally, I have a problem watching our country die slowly as a result of all of the things we're talking about. I don't have a personal stake in any of this - none of societies problems effect me, whatsoever - I speculate solutions out of pure curiosity and concern for my country.


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wow...and you called cops dumb? Do you even pay attention to who you are talking to? who exactly is here that you believe to be dependant upon the system? You have one guy (who you started all this with) who is probably the most outspoken anti government enthusiast that I have ever heard of. If you still have no idea what NJ does, dont waste yer time looking thru old posts. just go to the home page and read the first thing you see. Steensn might be a californain, but he's one of the rare educated engineer types..maybe you've seen one of the MANY threads about him going to a small school you've probably never heard of. So who exactly is it that you think you are talking to. (and I dont mean that in the threatening type of "what the hell are you doing?"...i mean it more like "dude what is it you THINK is really going on here?")who exaxctly are you accusing of being a fan of the system? of being dependant on it?


What we are trying to get through to you is that damn near nothing you have spouted in this entire thread seems based in any kind of reality. Now you are talking about financially drowning the poor and assume that would fix crime?? Ok just for poops and giggles lets pretend that the impossible happened and yer little plan drove the poor straight to poverty and all the current criminals moved to the country...what about the almost poor...the middle class? With your hike in taxes on gas and property taxes they are now the absolute poor...now they are th one breaking into buisness and stealing just to keep their homes...do you just raise taxes again to drown them out? and then keep doing it un till everyones poor? hell if no one has nothing no one will kill or steal right?? UTOPIA! Or do you just admit that thats the dumbest idea ever and we all move on?


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aughum, address the contradictions.

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