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 Rashard Mendenhall (Now with socialism) 
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aughsum, my main point is that the US Constitution was the greatest "experiment" ever attempted in the history of mankind and it worked! It set the framework for this country to become the greatest nation that the world had ever known. Now, libtards/socialists/commies/statists want to "fundamentaly transfom" us into a system that has failed everywhere it has ever been tried, Why?

IMO, what we really need to do is get back to the ideals of the founding fathers instead of following this progressive idealism that has cost us our exceptionalism. The founders warned us about the dangers of big government, but we failed to listen. They said that once constituents realized that they could vote themselves money, the republic would be lost. How right they were. Those that don't read history are doomed to repeat it. But here we are yet again, debating the virtues of a failed political system when the best one has been here all along.

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You're essentially saying that, because no other civilizations have successfully established socialist structure, we will also fail - if everyone subscribed to your way of thinking.. I don't think I need to point out out how ridiculous your arument is.


What you're missing in all of this is why socialism has failed repeatedly. The answer is human nature. Let's admit that all of us are motivated by greed to some extent. If you're part of a collective that only rewards tenure instead of performance, what motivation would an individual have to innovate or become more efficient? What is in it for them to do so when Joe is getting the same pay and benefits to sit on his butt? Without motivation, the human spirit wanes and becomes less productive. When an entire populace feels this way, efficiency and the economy collapses. What's so difficult to comprehend about this? There isn't any possible "maybe it will work next time" about this at all.

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By this logic, gov taxes account for ~12% of the price of a gallon of gas, yet the last sentence points the finger back at the government.

You really don't have a clue about economics, supply and demand, business expenses, or taxation, do you? :shock:

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aughsum wrote:
You're essentially saying that, because no other civilizations have successfully established socialist structure, we will also fail - if everyone subscribed to your way of thinking.. I don't think I need to point out out how ridiculous your arument is.


What you're missing in all of this is why socialism has failed repeatedly. The answer is human nature. Let's admit that all of us are motivated by greed to some extent. If you're part of a collective that only rewards tenure instead of performance, what motivation would an individual have to innovate or become more efficient? What is in it for them to do so when Joe is getting the same pay and benefits to sit on his butt? Without motivation, the human spirit wanes and becomes less productive. When an entire populace feels this way, efficiency and the economy collapses. What's so difficult to comprehend about this? There isn't any possible "maybe it will work next time" about this at all.


Have I disagreed with any of this? No. Why you continue to push this arguement, I have no idea. Socialism can work, if it's designed properly. The Original constitution was great, for the time, but it was not designed to support 400M people.


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slybri19 wrote:
aughsum wrote:
By this logic, gov taxes account for ~12% of the price of a gallon of gas, yet the last sentence points the finger back at the government.

You really don't have a clue about economics, supply and demand, business expenses, or taxation, do you? :shock:


You don't have a clue about any of these things you accuse me of not having a clue about, do you? Deflection is a curious defense mechanism.


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To answer M2K's earlier question about gas taxes, the federal gasoline excise tax is 18.4 cents per gallon. Since the US uses approximately 378 million gallons of gas per day, that equates to $69 million of taxes per day or $25 billion per year. The Federal Highway Administration has a budget of approximately $42 billion per year, of which $15 billion is spent toward road and bridge improvements. Therefore, only 60% of the gas tax revenue is spent toward it's intended purpose.

I should add that the states and local governments add additional taxes on gas to bring the average total to 48.1 cents per gallon. That brings the total government taxes on gas to over $66 billion per year. If all of that money were spent on it's intended purposes, we would have the best roads in the world. Unfortunately, it isn't, so we do not.

With all that in mind, has anybody noticed how Obama is blaming the oil companies for the high gas prices and raping the consumer? What he fails to mention is that they average a 7 cent profit per gallon of gas sold. Meanwhile, the government is taking in 48 cents per gallon sold. So, who is doing the raping of the consumer here? The oil companies or the government?


By this logic, gov taxes account for ~12% of the price of a gallon of gas, yet the last sentence points the finger back at the government.


C'mon, do the math.....the oil companies are making $0.07 profit while the government is taking 7 times that for what? And on top of that, to turn back to my post, he wants to tax people for the miles they drive. He wants the American taxpayer to foot the bill for all his ridiculous spending and his families quarter million dollar vacations. He can go phuck himself, for all I care. He's making it better? I'd like some examples of that, because I sure as Hell haven't seen him improve one thing except HIS quality of life.

And as for the idea of subsidizing electric cars, the government is already doing that. However, the technology does not exist to completely ween the United States off of ICE vehicles. Until battery technology is improved so that long range vehicle capability will be there at an affordable price, there is not going to be a sudden shift.

And getting back to the original response post you gave us, sly has shown that the government is already misappropriating funds from the gas taxes, money that was intended for the infrastructure development and maintenance. $25B per year collected, and only $15B per year being spent. Where the Hell is the other $10B? And how can you expect us to trust them with yet ANOTHER tax with the promise of fixing our roads and bridges?

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aughsum wrote:
slybri19 wrote:
To answer M2K's earlier question about gas taxes, the federal gasoline excise tax is 18.4 cents per gallon. Since the US uses approximately 378 million gallons of gas per day, that equates to $69 million of taxes per day or $25 billion per year. The Federal Highway Administration has a budget of approximately $42 billion per year, of which $15 billion is spent toward road and bridge improvements. Therefore, only 60% of the gas tax revenue is spent toward it's intended purpose.

I should add that the states and local governments add additional taxes on gas to bring the average total to 48.1 cents per gallon. That brings the total government taxes on gas to over $66 billion per year. If all of that money were spent on it's intended purposes, we would have the best roads in the world. Unfortunately, it isn't, so we do not.

With all that in mind, has anybody noticed how Obama is blaming the oil companies for the high gas prices and raping the consumer? What he fails to mention is that they average a 7 cent profit per gallon of gas sold. Meanwhile, the government is taking in 48 cents per gallon sold. So, who is doing the raping of the consumer here? The oil companies or the government?



By this logic, gov taxes account for ~12% of the price of a gallon of gas, yet the last sentence points the finger back at the government.


C'mon, do the math.....the oil companies are making $0.07 profit while the government is taking 7 times that for what? And on top of that, to turn back to my post, he wants to tax people for the miles they drive. He wants the American taxpayer to foot the bill for all his ridiculous spending and his families quarter million dollar vacations. He can go phuck himself, for all I care. He's making it better? I'd like some examples of that, because I sure as Hell haven't seen him improve one thing except HIS quality of life.

And as for the idea of subsidizing electric cars, the government is already doing that. However, the technology does not exist to completely ween the United States off of ICE vehicles. Until battery technology is improved so that long range vehicle capability will be there at an affordable price, there is not going to be a sudden shift.

And getting back to the original response post you gave us, sly has shown that the government is already misappropriating funds from the gas taxes, money that was intended for the infrastructure development and maintenance. $25B per year collected, and only $15B per year being spent. Where the Hell is the other $10B? And how can you expect us to trust them with yet ANOTHER tax with the promise of fixing our roads and bridges?


Oil companies = .07, gov taxes = .48, how does the other 3.45 break down? Believe it or not, gas prices aren't manipulated to improve Barack obamas quality of life - you're thinking of both George Bushes.

The technology exists, but it's still new and expensive - current subsidies alone aren't enough to entice people to make the switch - with higher gas prices and improved ev infrastructure, it will be more appealing to more people. I'd personally love to see higher subsidies, and a lower price on the volt, but that won't be happening anytime soon. The current range of electric vehicles is good enough for ~60% of people, in the case of the volt (electric only), for the tesla roadster and model s, the range is good enough for 90% of people, build the infrastructure, and that number goes to 100%.

I trust them with it - I welcome the new gas tax. There finally seems to be some changes in fiscal responsibility.


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Fiscal responsibility by making us buy cars we can't afford? And pay more taxes to put charging stations every few miles along every road? And i'm sure every person has 6 hours to wait for a full charge.

I don't trust government to do what the free market should be competing at. When there's no competition due to those subsidies, you get inferior technological advances. The current crop of electric vehicle won't service the very people you're pinching. You'd have to offer more public transportation (more union jobs which kill the cost effectiveness) and then they all still use the old technology. Or are you expecting buses to go electric and go 10 miles per charge? Electric trains that only run station to station ever 6 hours to charge? If the free market were working on them, they'd get done eventually. But what you have right now is subsidies going to hand picked political donators. That's not innovation. Its borrowing peter to pay paul.


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aughsum wrote:
slybri19 wrote:
aughsum wrote:
By this logic, gov taxes account for ~12% of the price of a gallon of gas, yet the last sentence points the finger back at the government.

You really don't have a clue about economics, supply and demand, business expenses, or taxation, do you? :shock:


You don't have a clue about any of these things you accuse me of not having a clue about, do you? Deflection is a curious defense mechanism.

More ignorance from the self-admitted socialist. :roll:

The most frightening thing about you and people of your ilk is that you don't have a problem with the government adding 12% to the price of a product or service. It may sound good to your comrades at the unicorn ranch in fantasyland, but it has a negative impact on the economy in reality. That's 12% less that people have in their pockets that could be spent on other products and services, further expanding the economy. And don't even begin with the libtard talking point that the government will spend the money anyway, thus having the same benefit. They took it out of the economy via taxation, so they're only replacing what they already stole from the American people. To make matters worse, the government basically produces nothing, so there's little to no multiplier effect from their spending. On the other hand, money kept in the private sector multiplies as it produces cars from steel, paper from wood, and even hamburgers from ground beef. The more the government takes, the less the economy is able to produce, and thus expand. But, with your socialist worldview, you certainly wouldn't have the first clue about that, now would you? Deflect THAT, comrade! :lol:

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aughsum wrote:
I trust them with it - I welcome the new gas tax. There finally seems to be some changes in fiscal responsibility.

Fiscal Irresponsibility perhaps. :lol:

Margaret Thatcher said it best when she said that "the problem with socialism is that it eventually runs out of other people's money". What about that concept do you not understand? I know, I know. It doesn't adhere to your ideology that more taxes are good, so it can't be true. You people are so predictable.

I should add that you will never live down calling yourself a Socialist. Just ask steensn about that. He once started a "Dancing With The Stars" thread and we have never let him forget about it. Just letting you know. :wink:

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slybri19 wrote:
aughsum wrote:
I trust them with it - I welcome the new gas tax. There finally seems to be some changes in fiscal responsibility.

Fiscal Irresponsibility perhaps. :lol:

Margaret Thatcher said it best when she said that "the problem with socialism is that it eventually runs out of other people's money". What about that concept do you not understand? I know, I know. It doesn't adhere to your ideology that more taxes are good, so it can't be true. You people are so predictable.

I should add that you will never live down calling yourself a Socialist. Just ask steensn about that. He once started a "Dancing With The Stars" thread and we have never let him forget about it. Just letting you know. :wink:


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More ignorance from the self-admitted socialist. :roll:

The most frightening thing about you and people of your ilk is that you don't have a problem with the government adding 12% to the price of a product or service. It may sound good to your comrades at the unicorn ranch in fantasyland, but it has a negative impact on the economy in reality. That's 12% less that people have in their pockets that could be spent on other products and services, further expanding the economy. And don't even begin with the libtard talking point that the government will spend the money anyway, thus having the same benefit. They took it out of the economy via taxation, so they're only replacing what they already stole from the American people. To make matters worse, the government basically produces nothing, so there's little to no multiplier effect from their spending. On the other hand, money kept in the private sector multiplies as it produces cars from steel, paper from wood, and even hamburgers from ground beef. The more the government takes, the less the economy is able to produce, and thus expand. But, with your socialist worldview, you certainly wouldn't have the first clue about that, now would you? Deflect THAT, comrade! :lol:


Again, I don't adhere to the standard socialist ideals.

We're talking about 12% of the price of gas.. Evil gas. The more we tax gas, the more people bitch about it, the more likely they are to switch to electric, or at least give up their 6mpg hummers.

Again, I don't disagree with anything you're saying, so why are you being so confrontational?


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Again, I don't adhere to the standard socialist ideals.

Well, that's a good thing atleast. But, I abhor pretty much anything that even smells like socialism. We've already started down that path about a century ago and I want to stop it in it's tracks before it can get any further.

aughsum wrote:
We're talking about 12% of the price of gas.. Evil gas. The more we tax gas, the more people bitch about it, the more likely they are to switch to electric, or at least give up their 6mpg hummers.

In case you couldn't tell, I don't seem to like EnviroNazis much either. I don't want to get into the whole Global Warming fraud in this thread though. But, I AM in favor of energy independence using an all of the above approach (oil, natural gas, coal, nuclear, wind, solar, hydro, biofuels, etc.). Let's tap ALL of our resources, which would increase jobs and leave us less vulnerable to radical regimes for our energy needs.

I should add that environmentalists should prefer that drilling for oil and natural gas takes place in the US instead of elsewhere. We have some of the strongest safety and environmental regulations on the planet. Therefore, drilling here would be better for the environment than if it were done in Iran, or Brazil, or Russia, etc. Why can't the EnviroNazis see this?

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Again, I don't disagree with anything you're saying, so why are you being so confrontational?

Because that's how I roll. Imagine that I'm a pit bull and socialism is a raw steak. Same concept. But, since you have been surprising cordial, I'll atleast attempt to tone it down a bit. No promises or guarantees on my part though. Like a pit bull will get worked up into a frenzy once it smells raw steak, I do likewise when I smell socialism.

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aughsum, I just re-read this entire thread and I'm confused. You keep saying that you agree with me, yet you advocate for more government. Everything I've said is dependent upon less government to succeed, so you're contradicting yourself. Please explain and/or elaborate upon your worldviews so that I may have a better understanding about where you're coming from. It simply doesn't make sense.

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One last thought. I explained that socialism will always fail because of human nature, especially greed. You seemed to agree with that and added that the government programs are abused, which is another form of greed btw. How then can we increase the amount of government involvement without there being a greed/abuse problem? Human nature dictates that it will always be there, no matter who the favored are. Please elaborate.

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