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 Rashard Mendenhall (Now with socialism) 
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aughsum, I just re-read this entire thread and I'm confused. You keep saying that you agree with me, yet you advocate for more government. Everything I've said is dependent upon less government to succeed, so you're contradicting yourself. Please explain and/or elaborate upon your worldviews so that I may have a better understanding about where you're coming from. It simply doesn't make sense.


Where do I say "more government?"


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In your second post in this thread on page one, you wrote:
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I'm actually a liberal/socialist - I think there should be more government management...

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In your second post in this thread on page one, you wrote:
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I'm actually a liberal/socialist - I think there should be more government management...


I subscribe to a belief that, by reducing government duties and focusing on specific functions of society, the gov could achieve something that would appease pretty much everyone who's opinion matters.


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aughsum wrote:
slybri19 wrote:
In your second post in this thread on page one, you wrote:
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I'm actually a liberal/socialist - I think there should be more government management...


I subscribe to a belief that, by reducing government duties and focusing on specific functions of society, the gov could achieve something that would appease pretty much everyone who's opinion matters.


I think the term "more" is what confused people. I believe, and correct me if I'm wrong, what you really meant to say is BETTER government management of the existing programs, not more management. There is plenty of management of the systems, but the problem is, like is the case in many businesses, there is so much complexity in the management that nothing gets done due to bureaucracy. Hence the conservatives on this board calling for less government.

I completely agree with you on your last paragraph.

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slybri19 wrote:
I subscribe to a belief that, by reducing government duties and focusing on specific functions of society, the gov could achieve something that would appease pretty much everyone who's opinion matters.


Something like this?:
Article 1, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution wrote:
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imports and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; [Altered by Amendment XVI "Income tax".]

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.


If so, I agree 110% :D

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I almost forgot somthing important:
10th Amendment to the U.S. Comstitution wrote:
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Therefore, healthcare, education, energy, and housing are reserved to the states or the people. None of these things cross state lines (in most instances), so the feds have no right to intervene.

Ideally, the libtards would move to a libtard state, while conservatives would move to a conservative state, if the states were allowed to make most of the rules. Take a wild freaking guess which ones would thrive and prosper, while the others would collapse under the weight of government? I'll give you three tries, but the first two don't count. :lol:

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slybri19 wrote:
I almost forgot somthing important:
10th Amendment to the U.S. Comstitution wrote:
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Therefore, healthcare, education, energy, and housing are reserved to the states or the people. None of these things cross state lines (in most instances), so the feds have no right to intervene.

Ideally, the libtards would move to a libtard state, while conservatives would move to a conservative state, if the states were allowed to make most of the rules. Take a wild freaking guess which ones would thrive and prosper, while the others would collapse under the weight of government? I'll give you three tries, but the first two don't count. :lol:



I'm sure you've seen the e-mails going around that talk about having Liberal states and Conservative states. The Liberals would be full of vegetarians, illegal immigrants, welfare recipients, no business owners, artists, union supporters, PETA folks, and other such non productive types who would give criminals light sentencing and put rapists and child molesters on the streets to "give them a second chance" while the Conservative states would be full of gun owners, meat eaters, business owners, hard working, right to work folks who would thrive because we wouldn't have to be paying for others to do nothing......or something like that.

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slybri19 wrote:
I almost forgot somthing important:
10th Amendment to the U.S. Comstitution wrote:
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Therefore, healthcare, education, energy, and housing are reserved to the states or the people. None of these things cross state lines (in most instances), so the feds have no right to intervene.

Ideally, the libtards would move to a libtard state, while conservatives would move to a conservative state, if the states were allowed to make most of the rules. Take a wild freaking guess which ones would thrive and prosper, while the others would collapse under the weight of government? I'll give you three tries, but the first two don't count. :lol:

Are you saying that you'd like each and every state to have their own, unique regulations/requirements/etc for each of these industries?

For example lets look at graduation requirements for high school: In 1 state the potential graduate must read at 8th grade level and perform basic math and in another the have to read at a 12th grade level and perform calculus.

If so, does that really make sense? Sounds more like Europe to be where each "state" would be its own "country".... Please elaborate.

Also, doesn't having more centrally located management usually mean savings in that its cheaper to buy in 'bulk' if you will?

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I think by practice, the gov't expanded their role officially during the civil war. Right's given to states were taken away (right to succeed and gov't slavery). The constitution should have changed as well, but it by practice the tides changed...

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Wags, in regards to education, the standards would be set by society rather than the government. If a state chose to only educate their children to an 8th grade level, what businesses would locate there with an inferior workforce? They wouldn't, so the states would have to raise their standards in order to compete. You see, the free market also comes into play when it includes an educated, skilled, and talented workforce. No federal government involvement is neccessary.

Also, there is a huge difference between centrally located management and centrally located bureaucracy. One is efficient, while the other is not. One streamlines, while the other bloats. One is cost saving, while the other is cost expanding. One requires less personnel, while the other requires more.

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slybri19 wrote:
aughsum wrote:
slybri19 wrote:
I subscribe to a belief that, by reducing government duties and focusing on specific functions of society, the gov could achieve something that would appease pretty much everyone who's opinion matters.


Something like this?:
Article 1, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution wrote:
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imports and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; [Altered by Amendment XVI "Income tax".]

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.


If so, I agree 110% :D


Yep, exactly - with minor adjustments for modern times:

The USPS doesn't need to exist anymore - let the market determine if it wants to switch to digital communications or absorb the added cost of private postage.

Currency has always been a big issue for me - transitioning to digital-only currency would: weed out the criminal element almost entirely, weed out illegal immigrant activity, save money on minting ($2B for $1B of coin), smooth the throughput of commerce, etc.

Army/navy/militia - I feel that we are far too diplomatic about everything - we need to maintain foreign relations, but from a standpoint that opposing countries/militaries exist because we allow them to continue to exist. We spend more on our military than the rest of the world combined, china has us on numbers, but the us has china on technology - man<machine. Theoretically speaking, in a war between the us and the rest of the world, the us wins, easily - not in a my dad can beat up your dad kind of way, in a common sense kind of way.

As for the state/national law issue - set everything at a national level, states have proven incompetent to manage themselves.


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actually i would disagree with that last stament...and I live in Michigan!! lol
Some states Like Texas, Minnesota, and many others do JUST FINE managing themselves. It's the "hand out" states like Mi, CA, IL and other basically heavily socalist states that are drowning.

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I happen to be a big state rights kind of guy. The theory is that the government closest to the people governs best. How would the bureaucrats in D.C. know what's best for Anytown USA than the people who actually live there? The truth is that they don't and their "one size fits all" approach doesn't work. Better yet, as Americans, we're allowed to vote with our feet if we don't like how our local or state government is operating. As regularjoe12 pointed out, just look at the census data and which states have lost or gained representation in Congress. Overwelmingly, people are fleeing the high tax, big government states run by libtards in favor of low tax, small government states run by conservatives. Coincidence? I think not.

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I mean uniform laws, taxes, etc - reduce stress on state government, eliminate smaller local governments entirely. Fragmentation is at the root of what is wrong with this country.

The whole voting system is flawed too.. Every American has their say, but not every American is created equal - for every one informed, intelligent vote, there are 30 ignorant, stereotypical-American votes.


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I mean uniform laws, taxes, etc - reduce stress on state government, eliminate smaller local governments entirely. Fragmentation is at the root of what is wrong with this country.

The whole voting system is flawed too.. Every American has their say, but not every American is created equal - for every one informed, intelligent vote, there are 30 ignorant, stereotypical-American votes.

So, in your world, Lansing knows better about what streets need fixing than the city council of Sterling Heights does? I don't think so. There is a purpose for local government and centralizing it in a far away land isn't going to improve it. With that said, I wouldn't allow local governments to have broad powers to supercede state law, like declaring themselves "sanctuary cities" or anything. As far as I'm concerned (and as expressed in the US Constitution), the individual states have the most power in this country. Unfortunately, this isn't the case today,

I will almost agree with you on the second point, but it's nowhere near 1 in 30 who is uninformed. It's more like 60% who are uninformed, while the remaining 40% atleast follow politics somewhat closely. I'd narrow it down to 10% if I only consider folks who follow politics very closely. I only know this due to my Tea Party activism.

Since you seem to be offended by the lack of knowledge of the electorate, let's test your own knowledge, shall we? Sarah Palin has been portrayed as a big oil supporter, according to the lamestream media. But did you know, as Governor of Alaska, she took them on and sent several of them, as well as several Republican corporate co-conspirators to jail? She stated that the natural resources of Alaska belong to the Alaskan people and not Big Oil, or to the government for that matter. Now, the people of Alaska (not only the government) get a check every year from oil company proifits. Bet you didn't know that, huh? Ignorance is bliss. Drill, baby, drill!

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