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Ron's biggest weakness is his personality/apparance. He just comes off as sort of this weird little frail dood. He will never be POTUS, but I do like a lot of his views.



aint that a crying shame. Everyone I know thinks he makes real sense but because he looks a little too much like skeletore he will probabably never get elected. Can I blame MTV on that?


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Ron's biggest weakness is his personality/apparance. He just comes off as sort of this weird little frail dood. He will never be POTUS, but I do like a lot of his views.



aint that a crying shame. Everyone I know thinks he makes real sense but because he looks a little too much like skeletore he will probabably never get elected. Can I blame MTV on that?

You can blame today's society on that. It has been said many times that FDR (and others) would never be elected today, because he doesn't 'look' the part. BS

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Against other republican candidates this early, he's going to poll low. As it gets closer, you'll see him rise some. But if it were Ron Paul vs. Obama, he'd win hands down.


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well I blaim MTV on a lot of soceities faults so Im going to take that as a yes...Stupid MTV making it so REAL candidates cant get elected....I hate Viacom


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Ron's biggest weakness is his personality/apparance. He just comes off as sort of this weird little frail dood. He will never be POTUS, but I do like a lot of his views.



aint that a crying shame. Everyone I know thinks he makes real sense but because he looks a little too much like skeletore he will probabably never get elected. Can I blame MTV on that?


IDK... Personally I don't want someone that isn't presedintial looking elected to the office. That person is the executive to the US, and has to stand in front of world leaders and negotiate tough terms of trade and treaties. I want someone that comes across as strong, intelligent, and someone that commands respect.


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Ron's biggest weakness is his personality/apparance. He just comes off as sort of this weird little frail dood. He will never be POTUS, but I do like a lot of his views.



aint that a crying shame. Everyone I know thinks he makes real sense but because he looks a little too much like skeletore he will probabably never get elected. Can I blame MTV on that?


IDK... Personally I don't want someone that isn't presedintial looking elected to the office. That person is the executive to the US, and has to stand in front of world leaders and negotiate tough terms of trade and treaties. I want someone that comes across as strong, intelligent, and someone that commands respect.

Looks? Really? Why so shallow?
(You don't judge a book by its cover. Actions speak louder than words. etc :wink: )

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I'd rather not have a clinically retarded person as president, ala Sarah palin. What a complete f'in disaster of a person

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TheRealWags wrote:
wjb21ndtown wrote:
regularjoe12 wrote:
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Ron's biggest weakness is his personality/apparance. He just comes off as sort of this weird little frail dood. He will never be POTUS, but I do like a lot of his views.



aint that a crying shame. Everyone I know thinks he makes real sense but because he looks a little too much like skeletore he will probabably never get elected. Can I blame MTV on that?


IDK... Personally I don't want someone that isn't presedintial looking elected to the office. That person is the executive to the US, and has to stand in front of world leaders and negotiate tough terms of trade and treaties. I want someone that comes across as strong, intelligent, and someone that commands respect.

Looks? Really? Why so shallow?
(You don't judge a book by its cover. Actions speak louder than words. etc :wink: )


I don't just mean his still-shot appearance. Barry O looks just fine when he's sitting still, but IMO he isn't very presidential. His actions and mannerisms are frail and weak. I prefer someone that commands respect by their appearance and actions, Colin Powel, for instance.


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Iowa Polling to Test Paul’s Move to Mainstream

By TRIP GABRIEL
Published: July 26, 2011

CEDAR RAPIDS, Iowa — Representative Ron Paul has a message for the ardent followers who read his books with a highlighter and donate to his fund-raising “money bombs” on the Internet: Winning the Iowa Straw Poll next month would “rock the establishment.”

Mr. Paul’s libertarian views have moved from the fringe toward the mainstream of conservative thinking in the past several years, with his warnings about fiscal meltdown gaining new resonance and the 2008 financial crisis allowing him to press his longstanding critiques of the Federal Reserve.

Now, as he again seeks the Republican presidential nomination, he is hoping to show that he can translate the new attention into votes. And his first test is the straw poll next month, where he is hoping he can organize his band of followers into a political machine capable of beating some or all of his brand-name rivals.

Even if he does not win, a strong showing by Mr. Paul could dent the campaigns of other candidates, especially Tim Pawlenty and Representative Michele Bachmann.

The straw poll, to be held in Ames on Aug. 13, is, if nothing else, a closely watched test of organizing capabilities and an early rehearsal for the Iowa caucuses after the turn of the year. Particularly for candidates needing to raise their profiles, it is an opportunity to exhibit credibility and win media attention and donors.

Mr. Paul, of Texas, has a number of factors going for him. He has a legion of passionate supporters, many of them young, who in the past have flooded other straw polls that he has won.

His effort in Iowa is well financed. His latest online fund-raiser, “Ready, Ames, Fire,” brought in $550,000, added to the $4.5 million he raised in the second quarter.

The money has bought time for radio and television spots, for six paid staff members in the state and to fly in Mr. Paul by private jet (“Operation Top Gun”) for weekly rallies, including two he attended Monday here and in Ames.

“Doing well in Iowa means activating volunteers,” said Jesse Benton, his national campaign chairman. “Reaching out and touching 100 Iowans at a time.”

The campaign outbid all others and paid $31,000 to claim the most central spot at the straw poll for its supporters. The event is a daylong political midway with bands and barbecue on the campus of Iowa State University. Mr. Paul is offering a bus ride from anywhere in the state, plus lunch for $10.

Phil Luetchford, 24, an engineer who left Mr. Paul’s appearance here at a Marriott hotel carrying a half-dozen Ron Paul lawn signs, plans to drive with co-workers and church members to Ames. “I’m really upset about the bailouts,” Mr. Luetchford said. “I don’t understand how the elite can choose who stays in business.”

Another volunteer, who asked not to be named because he has taken a 30-day leave from the military to campaign, which is discouraged, said: “Ron Paul tells his supporters, come and support him in the straw poll, and we come because we will walk through fire to vote for Ron Paul. He speaks to us.”

When asked how Mr. Paul, a 75-year-old former obstetrician who still has the manner of a folksy country doctor, speaks to a much younger generation, many cite his decades as a Cassandra warning about ruinous federal debt.

“I’m the one who has to pay the bills,” said Ben Kmack, 30, a professional diver, who heard Mr. Paul speak in Ames.

Mr. Paul dismissed the debt ceiling crisis embroiling Washington as a nonissue. The government is already bankrupt, in his view, and disguises it by printing money. “There’s no way the checks aren’t going out to Social Security,” he told the crowd. “The real question is what is the money going to buy when you get it.”

Many audience questions were technical, posed by people who knew his views well: As president, could he issue an executive order to make the Federal Reserve exchange gold for dollars? How quickly could he abolish the Fed altogether?

If the specifics of his monetary views are still unconventional, if not outright dismissed by most economists, his broad critique of a bloated government that needs to shrink to avoid catastrophe has become widely accepted in the Republican Party. His argument that many of the activities taken on by the federal government are illegal under the Constitution is a tenet of the Tea Party.

“In 2007 people laughed at him,” said A. J. Spiker, a vice chairman of the Paul campaign in Iowa. “John McCain and others laughed at these ideas. A lot of candidates are now echoing what Ron Paul says.”

Mr. Spiker is one of four Paul supporters elected to the Iowa Republican Party Central Committee, the largest bloc for any candidate, a sign of reawakened populism in the heartland, with its distrust of central bankers and bureaucrats.

While Mr. Paul says publicly that he will “hopefully come in first” in the straw poll, his campaign insiders talk about a Top-3 finish. If he beats Mrs. Bachmann, of Minnesota, or Mr. Pawlenty, the former Minnesota governor, both of whom are barnstorming around Iowa with the same focus, it could undermine their campaigns.

Mr. Paul is also prepared to have a strong finish discounted by those wedded to the idea that he is a fringe figure. “I heard somebody said if I come in first that proves the Ames straw vote has no value, and if I come in fifth that proves Ron Paul can’t do it,” he said in an interview.

Whether his loyal core of activists can entice thousands of other Iowans to turn up remains to be seen. One positive development for him is that his crowds are different from those of four years ago — more diverse in age and in their political views.

Charlotte Coppess, 57, voted for Mike Huckabee, the winner, in the 2008 Iowa caucuses. Mr. Paul held no interest for her then. But she was curious to hear what he had to say here.

“I think Ron Paul is a man whose time has come,” Ms. Coppess said.

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Organization, evangelical appeal power Paul to 2nd
By KASIE HUNT | 8/13/11 8:57 PM EDT

AMES, Iowa — Ron Paul’s narrow-second place finish at the Ames straw poll was a demonstration of the Texas congressman’s intensified organization and a message retooled to appeal to Iowa conservatives — and a clear sign that he’s going to be a continued presence going into the 2012 election.

Paul got 4,671 votes, losing to Rep. Michele Bachmann by just 152 votes, and placing well ahead of former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, whose months of work and major investment delivered him just 2,293 votes.

Paul’s supporters were hoping a win here would prove their legitimacy, and Paul’s entourage came armed with statements from previous presidential candidates offering exhortations about just how important winning the straw poll is.

“Obviously,” senior Paul strategist Doug Wead told POLITICO Saturday when asked if an Ames victory would mean more than other straw poll wins. “We have the statements of all these other candidates, Romney on down about the importance of the Ames vote. Even those who are saying it’s not important now, they’re on the record saying it’s important.”

“Relatively speaking, yes that true,” Paul told POLITICO after his speech here when asked if winning at Ames was more important than previous polls he’s topped. “It can give you a boost in morale, and encouragement — for me, it’s always a vote for the endorsement of the views of the concerns of liberty.”

Paul’s tent, after all, was on the same grass where Mitt Romney’s was outside the Hilton Coliseum in 2007 when the former Massachusetts governor prioritized the straw poll and placed first.

This year, Romney chose not to compete, unlike Paul, who deepened his organization here. Led by senior staffers Jesse Benton and John Tate, the Paul campaign developed methodical plans to reach out to specific groups of straw poll goers. At restaurants, for example, Paul supporters were told to leave cards in with their checks: “As president, Ron Paul will fight to exempt hard-earned tips from any income or employment tax,” the cards read.

“It used to be, ‘this movement is like herding cats,’” Wead said. “But now it’s a finely tuned operation.”

Wead pointed to the signs posted inside the Coliseum: Paul signs were everywhere, far outnumbering all the other candidates. There were specific organization rules in place for putting them up — only 8 staffers were allowed, and campaigns had two hours to post them — and the Paul team was done in 30 minutes while others scrambled for space.

But the most important piece of Paul’s Iowa operation was outreach to the social conservatives who play such a critical role in the state’s Republican electorate.

“The missing link for us, the outreach to evangelicals, which is so key to South Carolina and the south — we’re filling it,” said Wead, speaking to POLITICO in between announcements on Paul’s stage.

Wead told POLITICO that the outreach included mailing 5,000 DVDs of Paul to pastors in Iowa before Saturday’s events. And it relied heavily on a new team of evangelicals who are backing Paul. They include Wead himself and also Brian Jacobs, who used to work with Rev. Billy Graham. Jacobs spent the days before the Straw Poll calling pastors throughout Iowa.

And when their candidate took the stage to speak to the reporters and the crowd assembled in the arena here, his opening remarks weren’t about the Fed or monetary policy or anything that referenced the “sliding dollar,” as the children’s play slide outside his tent was labeled.

Instead, he talked about abortion.

Paul’s campaign, he said, is usually “identified with the cause of liberty…[but] there is something that precedes liberty and that is life,” he said, launching into a graphic story about watching an abortion while he was doing an OB/GYN rotation in medical school. “The prime reason that government exists in a free society is to protect liberty, but also to protect life. And I mean all life,” Paul said.

At the sprawling area where Paul was handing out hot dogs, offering children stickers and balloons, and handing out copies of the Constitution, the crowd skewed young: There were college students dressed in Ron Paul-logoed minidresses; there was a dunk tank; and the atmosphere inside the tent occasionally felt like a big college party. Parading across the stage were members of Ron Paul’s family — one discussed the Ron Paul cookbook — and Paul’s son, Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul, took the stage with his father after the speech here.

Paul supporters’ usual loud enthusiasm was on display as the results were announced, as red-shirted supporters filled the stands inside the arena. At first, there was silence — and then they started a loud chant of “Ron Paul! Ron Paul! Ron Paul”

Whether those supporters can drive Paul to a strong finish in the Iowa caucuses later this month is still an open question — but his staff has said all along that the caucus structure works to his advantage. And that, one longtime Iowa Republican operative said, is what Paul proved in Ames today.

“Paul actually did what Pawlenty was trying to do — and that shows he could make a serious play in the caucuses,” the Republican said.

Ever since Paul won just 1,305 votes in the 2007 contest in Ames, Paul’s ardent core of supporters have become obsessed with straw polls, going all out to win smaller contests at Republican conferences as a way to prove to the media that the libertarian Texas congressman is a legitimate presidential contender.

They have been successful — Paul won both the Republican Leadership Conference straw poll in New Orleans this year and the Conservative Political Action Committee poll in Washington in February — but they haven’t been able to sway the media narrative that paints Paul as a candidate with intense but limited support from Republicans whose views are outside the mainstream.

For Paul’s ardent supporters, that’s the rub: While the media have been covering Pawlenty as a legitimate contender with a plausible path to the White House, Paul’s presidential bid has been largely ignored press.

“The point is: Why are you here?” Wead asked, referring to the hundreds of national reporters who have descended on Ames this weekend. “You’re here because it’s important. If you quit coming, we’ll quit coming. Until then, this matters.”

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By ROGER SIMON | 8/15/11 3:17 PM EDT

I admit I do not fully understand Ron Paul and his beliefs. But I do understand when a guy gets shafted, and Ron Paul just got shafted.

On Saturday, the Ames Straw Poll was conducted in Iowa amid huge media interest and scrutiny. The results were enough to force one Republican candidate, Tim Pawlenty, out of the race, and catapult another, Michele Bachmann, into the “top tier.”

There are so many “top tier” stories in the media today that I can barely count them, let alone read them all, and Bachmann is in all of them by virtue of her victory at Ames. The rest of the tier is made up of two candidates who skipped Ames, Rick Perry and Mitt Romney.

As The Daily Beast put it: “The new top tier of Bachmann, Perry, and Romney — created by Bachmann’s Iowa straw poll win, Perry’s entry into the race and Romney’s lead so far in many national and state polls — has unleashed torrents of talk about the reshaped race.”

Paul’s name was not mentioned in this piece nor in many others. A Wall Street Journal editorial Monday magnanimously granted Paul’s showing in the straw poll a parenthetical dismissal: “(Libertarian Ron Paul, who has no chance to win the nomination, finished a close second.)”

But “close” does not fully describe Paul’s second-place finish. Paul lost to Bachmann by nine-tenths of one percentage point, or 152 votes out of 16,892 cast.

If it had been an election, such a result would almost certainly have triggered a recount. It was not an election, however, and that is my point. Straw polls are supposed to tell us, like a straw tossed into the air, which way the wind is blowing.

And any fair assessment of Ames, therefore, would have said the winds of the Republican Party are blowing toward both Bachmann and Paul.

Nonsense, some would say. Straw polls are just organized bribery, with the campaigns buying the tickets and distributing them to supporters. (And, in fact, this is what I wrote before Ames.)

What they really show, many argue, is not where the philosophical heart of the party is, but the organizational abilities of the candidates.

Fine, I’ll buy that. But why didn’t Paul get the same credit for his organizational abilities as Bachmann did for hers?

I am far from a Libertarian. I believe big government is swell as long as it does big things to help the common good. But after Ames, it was as if Paul had been sentenced to the Phantom Zone.

Bachmann appeared on five Sunday shows following Ames. Paul appeared on none. POLITICO’s Kasie Hunt was one of the few reporters to do a separate story on Paul’s showing at the straw poll, but to most of the media he remained an exotic, unworthy of attention.

And I don’t disagree that some of his beliefs — legalizing heroin, the right of states to secede — are strikingly peculiar (though he has been elected to a congressional district in Texas 12 times). But if Bachmann’s victory at Ames was good enough to gain her enormous publicity and top-tier status, why was Paul’s virtual tie good enough only to relegate him to being ignored?

So I asked Paul Monday if the media blackout disturbed him,

“It did disturb me, but it was not a total surprise,” he replied. “The result at Ames was significant; it might well have propelled us to the top tier. The media cannot change that.”

Though the media can, of course, change that since we get to determine who the top tier is.

“It is hard for them to accept,” Paul said of his showing at Ames. “I had one interview scheduled for this morning, a national program, but they canceled. It is shocking to be told nobody wants you.”

Was this because technically Paul came in second and not first? I don’t think so. Four years ago, Mike Huckabee came in a bad second to Romney, losing by 13.4 percentage points. Huckabee managed to spin that into a victory at Ames and became a media darling.

But Paul almost wins the thing and he remains poison.

“They [the media] believe this guy is dangerous to the status quo,” Paul said, “but that is a reason to be more energized. I am a bit more challenging, but I am not on the wrong track. I don’t think that my ideas are more exotic. They are threatening.”

In his interview with me, Paul stressed his “peace” message — he wants our troops brought home from foreign soil — and believes that and his fiscal conservatism will gain him supporters.

“We are trying to reverse 100 years of history, the change from a republic to an empire, the change to tax and spending, who wants to admit that?” Paul said. “Who wants to admit we don’t have to be policeman of the world?”

Let me say right here that unlike many of Paul’s supporters, I don’t believe there is a left-wing media conspiracy working against him. Ralph Nader, who is about as far as you can get from Paul politically, has the same problem whenever he runs for president.

And, no, media attention is not based solely on polls. The most recent polls, taken before Ames, showed Bachmann with 10.2 percent of the vote and Paul with 9.0 percent. That’s not a huge difference. Though those polls will no doubt change with all the publicity Bachmann is now getting because of her “stunning” victory at Ames.

There was a deliciously intriguing line in The Washington Post’s fine recap of Ames on Sunday. It said had Paul edged out Bachmann, “it would have hurt the credibility and future of the straw poll, a number of Republicans said.”

So don’t blame the media. Here are Republicans, presumably Republican operatives, who said if one candidate wins, the contest is significant, but if another wins the contest is not credible

Amazing. And disturbing.

“Well, yes I can get discouraged and dispirited,” Paul told me. “We came so very close. To come that close to winning, it shows my views are very mainstream. And if we are worth our salt and our message is sound and we tell it honestly, we will do well.”

Though possibly no one will notice.



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Here's a great video showing how the media just refuses to acknowledge Ron Paul. Goes to show how we often don't really have a choice about who the candidate pool is.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-august-15-2011/indecision-2012---corn-polled-edition---ron-paul---the-top-tier?xrs=share_copy

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not true..the tea party is changing that....Ron Paul the #2 candidate?? He's been saying the same things for years..why is he so popular now? thank Sly and his friends.


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not true..the tea party is changing that....Ron Paul the #2 candidate?? He's been saying the same things for years..why is he so popular now? thank Sly and his friends.

What's not true? Paul is not mentioned as a legitimate candidate by the media. They keep mentioning a "top tier" that doesn't include him. He's being marginalized by them.

I don't think he will win, but the media shouldn't make those decisions for the people.

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