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m2karateman wrote:
I'd like to hear an explanation as to why Christ decided that there needed to be a five month cushion between when people had better believe in Him, and when He would bring all the true believers to Him. Is He giving those folks five months to possibly screw up their chance? I just don't see Him as being the type that wants folks to fail like that.

Harold Camping.......look at him. One look at you know he's not camping anywhere on this planet.....



There is no explanation. Camping is making stuff up. Camping is a fraud. He is not even a Christian. He can't be a Christian and say the things he has been saying. Either he is a Christian and has some serious delusions, or, he is not a Christian and is just intentionally misleading people to their destruction.


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slybri19 wrote:
According to Camping, he was off by 5 months, so the "new" rapture will be on October 21st, 2011. We now have 5 more months to live! :idea:


well we do..you have much longer ya heathen!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :wink:

That makes this heathen very happy! :D

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I didn't see it posted anywhere, but Camping had a stroke the other day. Karma?

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only if he lived though it....


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In the end times many will come saying "I am the Christ, and therefore will decieve many, even the elect."

So let me ask you, could this be misinterpreted? Many will come actually saying Jesus is the Christ, but will deceive many.

Example: Jesus has promised you riches and blessings, if you will only send your $1000.00 seed money, you will be blessed a hundred times over." Where in Scripture did Jesus Christ ever ask that followers pay for the opportunity to join him?

On the contrary, "come follow me, and I will make you fishers of men!" "the Son of Man has no place to call his home, and no place to lay his head."

Or, some will even come saying that they personally are the Christ, and by that we will know their phsycosis. However, how can you know the counterfeit if you haven't studied and know the original?

"God's people die for lack of knowledge," "in the last days many will come saying Lord we did this, and that in your name, and I will respond, get away from me you evil doers, for I never KNEW you." So what is it to be known? How well do you know your wife? How well do you know your children? Intimately within reason (your wife more closely then your children of course). So if the elect will be deceived, then shouldn't we as individuals get to know the authentic, instead of worrying about the counterfeits?

I've heard many a people from state that they weren't being fed; but my question is who is responsible for the feeding? If you are hungry at home do you hire a maid to cook your meals, and then feed you, or do you get up and go to the fridge? We eat more than one meal a day seven days a week, and yet we expect the words of one man in the pulpit to be enough to sustain us for a week? For shame, no wonder the church is weak and powerless, God's people are starving for truth, and the world is dying because we're starving.

Just a thought!

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Another sad development from all this. Because Campen, and his ilk, continue to falsely prophesy, it is virtually fulling real prophesies.

Here are a couple links to articles that demonstrate prophesy being fullfilled.

http://wheresgodinallofthis.wordpress.com/2011/06/16/0342sva-harold-we-are-still-here/

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* God is testing the world as regards to truth -

…And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.( 2 Thess 2:10-12)

This whole episode is really about truth. Think about it, Why would anyone who knows the Bible, give the time of day to a preacher claiming to be able to set the date for the Parousia? Can such a one possibly Love the truth?

Furthermore what is it that people have been laughing and joking about openly, when they lampoon the rapture of the church, the second coming of our Lord and Saviour , the last judgment and the belief in Salvation?


I completely reject the theories of this next guy. But, it represents a prevailing mindset around the world.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/qasim-rashid/where-is-jesus-the-case-o_b_864781.html

"Paraphrased" because I can't remember the actual quote or verse where it is located - perhaps Steensn will know.
In that day, men will mock and say where is this Christ?

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Where is Jesus? The Case of the Missing Messiah
Posted: 05/20/11 01:42 PM ET

The case of the missing Messiah is a mystery that has intrigued countless minds through the ages. Pope Innocent III predicted Christ's return and doomsday in 1284. William Miller made his call in October, 1844. Alexander Dowie launched his campaign at the turn of the 20th century. Edgar Whisenant added his pitch for September, 1988. Some throw Nostradamus and Sir Isaac Newton, too, in the ring of doomsday predictors.

And then there is Harold Camping, a quasi-theologian Christian who swears "beyond a doubt" that May 21st, 2011 will hail Christ's return -- and doomsday. Camping was already wrong once before in 1994, but there is a much deeper issue that many are missing.

Orthodox Muslims believe Jesus ascended to heaven, and await his descent to save Muslims and destroy their opponents. Many Christians believe the same, only this time Jesus saves Christians. Jews believe Elijah's descent from heaven will hail in the Messiah's coming and victory for the Chosen People. Multiple other religions promulgate similar views but regardless of the religion, each proclaims an absolute monopoly on truth and personal assurance of salvation upon the Messiah's return.

But of all the people throughout history who have allegedly ascended to heaven, how many actually descended to tell us about it?

This question brings to light a crucial lesson. While adherents of every great religion have followed suit to the exact same claim of ascent, not one can offer even the most basic, let alone substantive, proof of descent.

And herein lay the numerous issues.

First, if the Messiah will descend from heaven to usher in instant peace and salvation, then God should have sent him six thousand years ago to avoid all the bloodshed.

Lest we be accused of questioning God's will, let us move on.

Second, what makes any one story of alleged ascension (and hopeful descent) more credulous than the other? Such faith is no more or less valid than the ancient Greeks who believed gods descended and walked among them. Actually, historically speaking, the Greeks have more claim than Christians or Muslims (and maybe even Jews) to the awaited descent as the Greeks conceived of the idea before the Abrahamic faiths.

Finally, what is the point of a literal descent and literal destruction of the world? Is God's message so weak that He can only establish His Truth through a choice of forced conversion or death? How very un-God-like. Whatever happened to, "Come now, let us reason together" (Isaiah 1:18), or "I will give you words and wisdom that none of your adversaries will be able to resist or contradict" (Luke 21:15), or "Call unto the way of thy Lord with wisdom and goodly exhortation, and argue with them in a way that is best" (Quran 16:126)?

Here is the point to this mystery.

Why do believers not consider the possibility that perhaps the Messiah's advent will not be a literal descent from heaven and will not spell Earth's literal destruction?

Rather, what if the Messiah came to unite all religions under one flag of peace with love -- not forced conversion? What if he came to revive faith through rational discourse -- not violence? And what if he came to establish truth through logic -- not dogma? Perhaps it is because this task sounds so daunting, that it is easier to believe in a literal descent from heaven.

How ironic.

We needn't feel compelled to await a physical descent. It's a concept Jesus, too, rejected when he pointed to John the Baptist as the spiritual return of Elijah (Matt 17:11-13). The Quran also clarifies, "And call to mind when Jesus, son of Mary, said: O children of Israel, surely, I am God's Messenger onto you ... and give glad tidings of a Messenger who will come after me, his name will be Ahmad. And when he came with clear proofs, they said this is manifest sorcery" (Qur'an 61:7).

But the mystery doesn't stop here. Now, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad enters the stage.

Ahmad categorically rejected the belief that anyone would physically descend from heaven, and laid claim as that long-awaited Second Coming of the Messiah foretold by all great religions. Ahmad's message does not espouse violent destruction of the world, but the peaceful reformation of mankind through love, rational discourse, and logic. In more than 80 books and thousands of essays are the "words and wisdom" the first Messiah promised to serve as the proof of his truthfulness.

Go forth with this goodly exhortation; you have Ahmad's words and wisdom available at your fingertips so that we may reason together. And, as you study Ahmad's claim as the Messiah, you just might speak two words countless minds never could.

Mystery solved.


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But do you want to know what's really funny? There is a gate in Jerusalem that is supposed to be the gate through which Jesus will re-enter the beloved city. The Muslims bricked it up, and it remains bricked to this day? Hmmm, trying to keep out the Mesiah. I thought that was funny.

Sadly, I don't remember where I heard the story though

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