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I truly want to know what your political beliefs are. Do you believe in a redistribution of wealth? How about social or environmental justice? Are entitlements a right in your eyes? Does a command economy actually work? I seriously want to know what churns in your brains to come to those conclusions or anything similar to them.

Since the Mendenhall thread was locked, I figured this would be an opportunity to expound upon your viewpoints. Have at it, comrade(s).

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Besides, this ought to be a nice change of pace from all the religious debate in here lately.

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Trying to do it quickly:

1. On economics:

a. I consider that Adam Smith's "free hand of the market" is a better method of running an economy than government intervention. The market is, in general, more efficient than government. In other words: I'm not a socialist.

b. I accept the case that there are areas in which the free market fails - the model, for whatever reason, simply doesn't work. Where that occurs, and the failure is so big that the downside of leaving it to the market is bigger than the downside of government intervention, I am happy to accept that government intervention is the right way to go. In other words: I am not 100% into the free market.

c. I suspect that I am harder to convince of the case in (b) than a lot of people (here, at least) and easier to convince than some. I think that approach puts me somewhere around the centre-right in UK political terms when it comes to economic policy. I'm generally for less taxes, less government intervention, than most here but not to the extent of some.

2. On social issues, I would describe myself as a liberal here. That's a term that seems to be loaded in the US with a lot of stuff I wouldn't identify with (to the extent of becoming synonymous with "communist, it would seem) - so I'm loathe to use it on this site. I suspect, from what little I know of US policitical discourse, that libertarian might be the best way to describe it? But I still suspect that would be incorrect. Basically, I think that government should avoid making value judgements over matters of social taste and believe strongly in civil liberties. So as an example, I would be against both a ban on gay marriage and a law requiring churches to conduct gay marriage.

Overall, in the US, I suspect there wouldn't be a natural home for me for political parties. The civil liberties agenda of the libertarian party would seemingly fit; but I suspect their economic policy would be slightly too laziez faire for me. The Republicans (at least in what they claim to stand for, if not for the deficits that history shows they rack up) would seem to fit well on economics but perhaps not on civil liberties. Democrats probably 50/50 on both scores.


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Am I a commie Sly? I can't figure out what you have pegged me as.

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slybri19 wrote:
I truly want to know what your political beliefs are. Do you believe in a redistribution of wealth? How about social or environmental justice? Are entitlements a right in your eyes? Does a command economy actually work? I seriously want to know what churns in your brains to come to those conclusions or anything similar to them.

Since the Mendenhall thread was locked, I figured this would be an opportunity to expound upon your viewpoints. Have at it, comrade(s).


Redistribution of wealth at a domestic or international level? No to both. I'm both for and against globalization, but the ferocity at which we're currently hemmoragging wealth to other countries doesn't sit well with me. I guess im against globalization, until we operate under uniform laws, standards, currency, etc. Domestic.. I believe the poor should stay poor, and it is their responcibility to change their own situation, but I also believe the rich should bare more of a tax burden, inheritance taxes should be raised, and high-paying positions should be capped.. No one is worth 10M/year.

Social justice, no - it's my opinion that all of the initiatives put in place to achieve racial equality are fiercely racist and detrimental to their respective cause - Rooney rule= racist and a waste of time, affirmative action=racist and potentially missing out on talent to satisfy predetermined racial requirements, united Negro college fund = really?, no child left behind (in regard to the ethnic children pushed through the system) = criminals.. We try to do all of these things to level the playing field, but the only thing that will work is if we eliminate all of these programs and simply view each other as equals.

Environmental justice.. Not really - If a lower-class citizen is in an unfavorable living situation then it acts as incentive to get out of it - we hand everyone everything and I'm sick of it. I have a lot of strong environmental views that I've just recently come into, but I think that money could be spent improving the environment in areas where the people are deserving of it.

Entitlement - no - I'm on the fence about health care, I believe that it at least has to be changed to a voucher system, but even then, I don't see it as something people should be entitled to - I see it as something we are capable of doing for our citizens, to both ensure that healthcare is accessible to everyone (to a point), and stop the insurance company rapings. it will never be fixed, though - too many special interests have their hands in it. As for the rest.. No one is guaranteed anything they don't deserve - it would be nice of we were in a position to do things for our citizens to improve their quality of life, but we are not anywhere near close to being in that position (financially).

Does a command economy work? Not here, too much corruption. I like the idea, I feel there are a few things that everyone needs that could be regulated (maybe even subsidized) by the government, but I really don't know enough about it to go much further.. Seems interesting, I'll read up on the soviet unions implementation of it later tonight.


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UK Lion wrote:
Trying to do it quickly:

1. On economics:

a. I consider that Adam Smith's "free hand of the market" is a better method of running an economy than government intervention. The market is, in general, more efficient than government. In other words: I'm not a socialist.

b. I accept the case that there are areas in which the free market fails - the model, for whatever reason, simply doesn't work. Where that occurs, and the failure is so big that the downside of leaving it to the market is bigger than the downside of government intervention, I am happy to accept that government intervention is the right way to go. In other words: I am not 100% into the free market.

c. I suspect that I am harder to convince of the case in (b) than a lot of people (here, at least) and easier to convince than some. I think that approach puts me somewhere around the centre-right in UK political terms when it comes to economic policy. I'm generally for less taxes, less government intervention, than most here but not to the extent of some.

2. On social issues, I would describe myself as a liberal here. That's a term that seems to be loaded in the US with a lot of stuff I wouldn't identify with (to the extent of becoming synonymous with "communist, it would seem) - so I'm loathe to use it on this site. I suspect, from what little I know of US policitical discourse, that libertarian might be the best way to describe it? But I still suspect that would be incorrect. Basically, I think that government should avoid making value judgements over matters of social taste and believe strongly in civil liberties. So as an example, I would be against both a ban on gay marriage and a law requiring churches to conduct gay marriage.

Overall, in the US, I suspect there wouldn't be a natural home for me for political parties. The civil liberties agenda of the libertarian party would seemingly fit; but I suspect their economic policy would be slightly too laziez faire for me. The Republicans (at least in what they claim to stand for, if not for the deficits that history shows they rack up) would seem to fit well on economics but perhaps not on civil liberties. Democrats probably 50/50 on both scores.


Yeah, liberal in politics here isn't what it stands for by definition. Ironic.

And I don't think you're too far off most people here UK. Fiscally conservative and socially liberal isn't that uncommon. I'm the same but maybe not as hardcore liberal on all the social reasons, but understand most of them based on constitutional reasons. My mother is from the Netherlands, so she remembers the post-war system and sees the good in the socialism, yet fails to see the overreaching and the ill-effects most of the time.


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Redistribution of wealth is a joke. I was just in the "Valley" (South Texas near the border) and it is shocking how many people don't work down there but all live off the system. They get unemployment, food stamps, housing assistance, education, etc. They stay up drinking all night and sleep all day. They have tons of kids running around who will grow into the same situation.

What needs to happen, time limits. I'm all for lending a helping hand, but not for a lifetime. You get X amount of time to get it together (say 6 months), but then you are responsible for your own family.

Give me flat taxes, no loopholes. It shouldn't matter if you make $30K a year or $300K a year, you pay your fair share. You shouldn't be punished for staying in school and working hard all your life. Abolish the tax system, it is much to complicated. You pay 20% in taxes, no matter what. Easy, done. Shouldn't even need to file taxes unless you are self employed.

If you want to go in another direction, get rid of income taxes. We don't have any state income taxes down here in Texas and few if any states are in a better financial situation. Sales tax works just fine and encourages savings and investment.

Health care - do not give the gov't more control over your health. We have the #1 health care in the world in terms of quality. Our Gov't has already proven they cannot handle medicare/medicade - only an idiot would want to give them even more to screw up.

Budget - we not only need a balanced budget, we actually now need an unbalanced budget were we spend less than we take in from taxes to pay down the debt. Time to pay the piper, we got ourselves into this mess and it is time to start making hard decisions (cutting spending everywhere) to fix it.

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Redistribution of wealth is a joke. I was just in the "Valley" (South Texas near the border) and it is shocking how many people don't work down there but all live off the system. They get unemployment, food stamps, housing assistance, education, etc. They stay up drinking all night and sleep all day. They have tons of kids running around who will grow into the same situation.

What needs to happen, time limits. I'm all for lending a helping hand, but not for a lifetime. You get X amount of time to get it together (say 6 months), but then you are responsible for your own family.

Give me flat taxes, no loopholes. It shouldn't matter if you make $30K a year or $300K a year, you pay your fair share. You shouldn't be punished for staying in school and working hard all your life. Abolish the tax system, it is much to complicated. You pay 20% in taxes, no matter what. Easy, done. Shouldn't even need to file taxes unless you are self employed.

If you want to go in another direction, get rid of income taxes. We don't have any state income taxes down here in Texas and few if any states are in a better financial situation. Sales tax works just fine and encourages savings and investment.

Health care - do not give the gov't more control over your health. We have the #1 health care in the world in terms of quality. Our Gov't has already proven they cannot handle medicare/medicade - only an idiot would want to give them even more to screw up.

Budget - we not only need a balanced budget, we actually now need an unbalanced budget were we spend less than we take in from taxes to pay down the debt. Time to pay the piper, we got ourselves into this mess and it is time to start making hard decisions (cutting spending everywhere) to fix it.
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I tend to vote for Democrats but I have an ideological conflict with both parties in a "big picture" way. I like the idea of limited government and this is a traditional hallmark of the Republican party. However, since the late 1950's, the Republican side has assumed a social agenda that completely conflicts with the notion of limited government. It astonishes me that Republicans, who are supposed to stand for limited government, have attempted to legislate private and personal affairs. This social agenda was adopted for one reason only: to earn votes in the historically Democratic south. In aligning itself with the fundamentalist Christian movement, racists, and homophobes, the Republicans sold out their ideology. If you think of it in historical terms, it is amazing that the ACLU is so often associated with Democrats. Once upon a time, Republicans were considered the protectors of individual rights.

The redistributive model of social welfare doesn't work very well and in this regard, I don't think Democrats have it right either. There are deep socio-economic divides in this country but I don't think simply passing out money does anything to address those divides. It seems that finding ways to distribute power and decision-making authority (in government, the workplace, schools, any bureaucracy imaginable) could better balance the scales in the long term. I'm not sure how that would be accomplished, as nobody who currently has decision-making authority is likely to give it up willingly.

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I've mentioned this in several other threads but now it's impacted close to home and I thought this would be a good place.

Pablo raises some VERY interesting points, as someone who has worked in the government subsidized housing for several years I can speak to the resident lifestyles, government paying of bills, food, medical, and the corruption this births. In fact, there was one guy one here in particular who I used to bump heads with concerning this....

We have a street project going on right through down town, streets torn up, supposed to take 2 years or so to complete. Union just went on strike in the last month, NO work is getting done. To Pablo's point, with all of the people with some kind of construction expereince or work ethic, looking for work, I'd love to be the City Manager in charge of the project. My first step would be to null and void the company's contract, second, put out a notice and get as many guys and gals on site that want to work and start supervising the snot out of them. THIS is what FDR's shovel ready programs did in the 30's. If you didn't work; fired on the spot. Meanwhile, guys standing at the fences looking in were waiting to get tapped on the shoulder to work.

I've spoke with a local mayoral candidate about creating a city beautification project where unemployed workers are sent through out the town proper cleaning parks, vacant lands, tearing down vacant houses, cleaning up graffiti. Fund this program with Welfare money, don't give em a hand out, give a job were the can develop self respect, and earn their income need. They'll learn skill along the way which will help them in the job market. But it requires LEADERSHIP and SUPERVISION.

Something our country is NO LONGER ANY GOOD AT.

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I've mentioned this in several other threads but now it's impacted close to home and I thought this would be a good place.

Pablo raises some VERY interesting points, as someone who has worked in the government subsidized housing for several years I can speak to the resident lifestyles, government paying of bills, food, medical, and the corruption this births. In fact, there was one guy one here in particular who I used to bump heads with concerning this....

We have a street project going on right through down town, streets torn up, supposed to take 2 years or so to complete. Union just went on strike in the last month, NO work is getting done. To Pablo's point, with all of the people with some kind of construction expereince or work ethic, looking for work, I'd love to be the City Manager in charge of the project. My first step would be to null and void the company's contract, second, put out a notice and get as many guys and gals on site that want to work and start supervising the snot out of them. THIS is what FDR's shovel ready programs did in the 30's. If you didn't work; fired on the spot. Meanwhile, guys standing at the fences looking in were waiting to get tapped on the shoulder to work.


I've spoke with a local mayoral candidate about creating a city beautification project where unemployed workers are sent through out the town proper cleaning parks, vacant lands, tearing down vacant houses, cleaning up graffiti. Fund this program with Welfare money, don't give em a hand out, give a job were the can develop self respect, and earn their income need. They'll learn skill along the way which will help them in the job market. But it requires LEADERSHIP and SUPERVISION.

Something our country is NO LONGER ANY GOOD AT.


Unfortunately, things need to get worse before they can get better - derailing the gravy-train entirely would be the only way to get people behind something like that (which I think is a great idea, btw), but our country is too scared of the potential outcomes of such a drastic change.. It's pathetic.


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That's what happens when you have ENTITLEMENT, everyone demands, no one works.

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That's what happens when you have ENTITLEMENT, everyone demands, no one works.


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BTW - our gov't hard at work

http://www.npr.org/2011/06/28/137394348 ... body-wants

Anybody who wants to give the gov't anymore control over just about anything must be an inefficiency lover.

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