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Pablo wrote:
BTW - our gov't hard at work

http://www.npr.org/2011/06/28/137394348 ... body-wants

Anybody who wants to give the gov't anymore control over just about anything must be an inefficiency lover.


I didn't need to see that article.. I don't know if they'll ever understand that people don't want to use coins for anything.. Raw material lobbyists at work?


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Am I a commie Sly? I can't figure out what you have pegged me as.

You're an EnviroNazi. :lol:

Basically, I consider socialists, communists, liberals, and progressives to be the same thing. The only real difference between them is the amount of government control they advocate for. Conversely, I agree with mwill2 that the Republicans/social conservatives are doing the same thing on social issues. That's why I consider myself to be a conservative on fiscal and national defense matters, while a libertarian on social issues. I simply want as little government involvement in my daily life as possible.

Just take a look at what is happening in Greece this week. That's where we're headed if this entitlement/fiscal irresponsibility mess continues for much longer. It isn't sustainable, yet the socialists/commies/libtards/progressives close their eyes to reality and kick the can down the road in exchange for votes from those that will benefit from their incompetence. It's utter madness that so many otherwise sane individuals can fall for this fantasyland utopian bullshit that has failed wherever it has been tried throughout human history.

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slybri19 wrote:
steensn wrote:
Am I a commie Sly? I can't figure out what you have pegged me as.

You're an EnviroNazi. :lol:

Basically, I consider socialists, communists, liberals, and progressives to be the same thing. The only real difference between them is the amount of government control they advocate for. Conversely, I agree with mwill2 that the Republicans/social conservatives are doing the same thing on social issues. That's why I consider myself to be a conservative on fiscal and national defense matters, while a libertarian on social issues. I simply want as little government involvement in my daily life as possible.

Just take a look at what is happening in Greece this week. That's where we're headed if this entitlement/fiscal irresponsibility mess continues for much longer. It isn't sustainable, yet the socialists/commies/libtards/progressives close their eyes to reality and kick the can down the road in exchange for votes from those that will benefit from their incompetence. It's utter madness that so many otherwise sane individuals can fall for this fantasyland utopian bullshit that has failed wherever it has been tried throughout human history.


I'm a healthy mix...

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slybri19 wrote:
You're an EnviroNazi. :lol:

Basically, I consider socialists, communists, liberals, and progressives to be the same thing. The only real difference between them is the amount of government control they advocate for.

You want government control over defence. And probably some other things, I expect (the criminal justice system?). So you're just the same as the commies: the only difference is the amount of government control you advocate for ...


June 30th, 2011, 1:40 pm
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UK Lion wrote:
slybri19 wrote:
You're an EnviroNazi. :lol:

Basically, I consider socialists, communists, liberals, and progressives to be the same thing. The only real difference between them is the amount of government control they advocate for.

You want government control over defence. And probably some other things, I expect (the criminal justice system?). So you're just the same as the commies: the only difference is the amount of government control you advocate for ...


wait what?? elaborate please, because what i THINK im reading is not correct....

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June 30th, 2011, 3:06 pm
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I agree it's not correct.

The point is to demonstrate that sly's assertion that communists to liberals are all the same is incorrect.


June 30th, 2011, 3:57 pm
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You can't be for a big military and a small government.

A big military requires a big government. Big militarys cost money.

The total war effort in the Middle East is expected to cost the government $3.7-4.4 trillion dollars. Thats almost a third of the national debt. We spend ~$20 billion per year on air conditioning alone. That's NASA's entire budget.

To get that money you need an extensive tax system in place. You also need government industries producing weapons, or quasi-government industries producing weapons (such as Lockheed Martin).

I think conservatives are finally starting to get that point. Prior to WW2, the Republican party understood this fact. Afterwards, they forgot it. But seems people are starting to remember once again.


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UK Lion wrote:
slybri19 wrote:
You're an EnviroNazi. :lol:

Basically, I consider socialists, communists, liberals, and progressives to be the same thing. The only real difference between them is the amount of government control they advocate for.

You want government control over defence. And probably some other things, I expect (the criminal justice system?). So you're just the same as the commies: the only difference is the amount of government control you advocate for ...

As a Constitionalist, I'm for government control over things authorized to it by the U.S. Constitution. This includes national defense, the criminal justice system, border security, foreign affairs, printing money, and regulating foreign/interstate trade. They really aren't allowed to do much more than that, since all other powers belong to the individual states or the people, but that certainly isn't the case today. The federal government has grown into a bloated, over-reaching monstrosity that needs to be chopped down to size.

Perhaps, there is a difference between liberals and commies in the UK, but there really isn't much of one here in the US any longer. I know that there are Democrats who aren't liberals/socialists/progressives/commies, but their party has been hijacked by those types and the moderate/conservative Dems are becoming a dying breed.

To truly understand what I'm talking about here, you need to do some research. First, take a look at the Democratic Party platform. It should be available on one of their many websites. Next, take a look at the platforms contained on the websites for CommunistPartyUSA and Democratic Socialists of America. You will find that there are many more similarities than differences.

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slybri19 wrote:
As a Constitionalist, I'm for government control over things authorized to it by the U.S. Constitution. This includes national defense, the criminal justice system, border security, foreign affairs, printing money, and regulating foreign/interstate trade. They really aren't allowed to do much more than that, since all other powers belong to the individual states or the people, but that certainly isn't the case today. The federal government has grown into a bloated, over-reaching monstrosity that needs to be chopped down to size.
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Unless you change the const ;)

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Exactly. I have no problem with Constitutional Amendments since they must be ratified by the legislatures of 3/4ths of the states.

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Except the dems have tried to change it in the courts via interpretation, even though it hasn't worked lately. FDR tried to make the court twice as large, so he could install 9 new liberal judges so he could pass all of his new deal, which about 90% of was struck down by the supreme court back then. Can you imagine how different things would be if he got it through?

Since they have failed on the 2nd amendment, citizen's united, and now walmart, they'll just continue to say that its out of date or a living document that has to be adapted to the times. The only time they value the constitution is when its on their side, which isn't often.


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Since I brought up CommunistPartyUSA yesterday, i decided to wander over to their website this morning and guess what I found? A long-winded, far-left diatribe that included talking points and rhetoric similar to what we've heard from Obama, Pelosi, Olbermann, Maddow, and the rest of those "progressive" nutjobs. It should be noted that the Communist Party refers to themselves as "progressives", as well. It also encouraged Communist Party members to support Democrats in next year's elections instead of fielding third party Communist candidates. I wonder why that is?

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It is a fact that progressive and democratic breakthroughs in our nation's history have been bound up with popular uprisings in which a growing left played a critical role


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Despite the many frustrations of the past two years, the election of Barack Obama was historic and gave space to struggle for a people's agenda.


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Millions who have to be at the core of this party still operate under the umbrella of the Democratic Party, albeit in an increasingly independent fashion.


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Furthermore, we are also aware of the undeniable fact that no other party besides the Democratic Party stands a chance of beating the GOP next year.


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For the people's side of the struggle, the 2012 elections are of paramount importance too. No other struggle now or in the foreseeable future has the same possibility to effect a change in the political balance of forces in a progressive direction.


To read more of this barftastic article, go here:
http://www.cpusa.org/fighting-for-our-future/

As you can see, I don't just read conservative sites. I regularly go to the Huffington Post/AOL, Democratic Underground, DailyKos, etc. because I like to know what the idiots are saying and thinking. As the old saying goes, "Know your enemy".

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I will try to keep things brief:

Health Care: I personally support Universal Healthcare but this is not a sticking point. I would also support other scenarios that simply make healthcare more affordable like reform of the institution itself and or a single payer health insurance system.

k-12 Education: The education system is broken in the USA. The answer to fixing it is not necessarily clear either. I would personally get rid of summer vacation and extend school hours. I would also set up a dual education system similar to what I believe Germany and Japan (except I would allow a little for free choice in deciding what track you took).

College/University: The costs to get a degree are out of hand. I paid for my first two years out of pocket, took loans for the next two year, and I have the rest of my undergrad degree under a full ride. I will earn my degree next spring and gain $18,000 in debt along with...for two year.

Food: I personally would end subsidizes to wheat, corn, and soy and steer incentives to healthy choices. This way healthy foods would become more affordable but if people still want to fill their stomach with crap they can. I would also try to break up beef and slaughter house monopolies among others. I think having food sources closer to consumers you will create healthy food as well make our country safer (I feel our highly centralized farming is a huge security risk).

Military: I would cut a lot of military spending. We do not need to be policing the world and I personally do not feel threatened by almost any conventional army. I would much rather use the money we spend on rockets, ships, tanks and so on many other things like infrastructure. The actual troops I would like to see retrained...preferably as police and firefighters and sent to places like Flint. It would seem to encourage economic growth.

Environment: Take care of it.

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Stallion, besides the military (which is non-union BTW), name one thing the government does well. You admit that education is screwed up and needs to be fixed. What about the post office or AMTRAK? Are those well-run? How about Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid where abuse and fraud is rampant? FEMA showed how competent they were during Hurricane Katrina and the border patrol has proven to be a joke. Welfare, food stamps, and housing subsidies are also riddled with fraud and abuse. TSA is making 95 year old grannies remove their depends while allowing stun guns to get aboard flights.

So tell me how you expect Universal Health Care or single payer coverage to benefit anyone when it's controlled by the government? The government screws up everything it touches and only makes things worse. Their solution to everything is to throw more money at it which doesn't improve anything. I seriously wanna know how health care would improve through government involvement. Take your best shot.

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sly's the biggest commie around

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