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NO mention of CO2, so their focus is right.

http://www.jsonline.com/business/128109718.html

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August 20th, 2011, 2:29 pm
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezr ... _blog.html

Going to cost utilities billions an will require shutting down of coal plants. Good summary of the facts.

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Exactly why the EPA should be put in their place. Congress is the only branch of government that can create law. These rules and regulations are serious overreaching. The EPA can recommend their findings and let congress make the laws, but by creating the rules on their own, they're bypassing the democratic process. Until the people can vote in or replace members of the EPA, its a farse.


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Fair point, but that can be said on many organizations set up by congress. I personally don't think that congress can functionally handle everything that needs done. It is a farce to say only congress can do things, the president can place presidential orders.

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August 20th, 2011, 3:14 pm
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Congress isn't supposed too, its supposed to fall to the states. All the organizations have outlived their original purpose or are acting outside their original intent. And executive orders have to stay within existing laws or they can easily be blocked or overwritten by Congress. The president can't just create law.


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Steensn, that's a bald faced lie that it's not about Global Warming and you know it. If you don't, you're simply ignorant and don't understand what the EPA has been all about lately. IMO, the EPA needs to be eliminated and all the scumbags that work there need to be fired immediately. It's not just the closing of coal plants that they've been up to either. I'll post articles in this thread that detail all the bullshit they've been doing as of late. And I'll start right now:
Townhall wrote:
Floyd and Mary Beth Brown
Obama's EPA is Killing More Jobs than Economy Can Create
8/19/2011

Obama says he will get focused on the jobs problem just as soon as he returns from his August vacation in Martha's Vineyard. Like the more famous Hamptons, the Vineyard is a playground of the rich and famous out to find some summer enjoyment on the Atlantic shore. Just before leaving, Obama articulated his number one goal is to grow the economy.

But while Obama is playing jetsetter, back in Washington a crucial regulatory agency, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), has been captured by a group of extremists who actually believe the USA would be better off with a smaller economy.

In some of the economy's most hopeful corners, these bureaucrats are wielding all of the levers of regulatory authority in their arsenal to kill growth. Just as the "green shoots" of recovery sprout, they come along with a can of herbicidal regulations and kill the sprout. As long as Obama leaves these extremists in charge of the agency, the economy is unlikely to recover and will suffer.

Having a reliable national electrical infrastructure is vital to new job creation.

Yet new EPA regulations will significantly reduce the amount of electricity generated from coal-fired energy flowing from our power grid. The EPA told the public that the agency was working with the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) to determine the impact of its regulations on the reliability of the nation's electricity capacity. This was to include a joint modeling effort.

However, responses from FERC Commissioners to an inquiry from Congress regarding the degree of agency coordination on the impact of the agency's new rules clearly shows the EPA statements were not truthful. Correspondence from the FERC chairman and commissioners revealed the commission is not working on a formal assessment of the impact of the EPA regulations on the ability of our power grid to reliably deliver electricity to the nation's homes and businesses.

"The EPA's deception of the public is outrageous and it exposes the agency's underlying zeal to regulate without regard to the consequences of its actions. EPA's actions may very well put the reliability of our electricity supply in jeopardy," said Tom Borelli, Ph.D., director of the National Center for Public Policy Research's Free Enterprise Project.

These job killing EPA regulations are part of a wider program to "curb man made climate change" or global warming. But the science behind this believed threat to the planet's existence keeps melting away under scrutiny.

The latest example is the Polar Bear's supposed struggle against extinction.

According to a report in Human Events, "special agents from the Interior Department's inspector general's office are questioning the two government scientists about the paper they wrote on drowned polar bears, suggesting mistakes were made in the math and as to how the bears actually died, and the department is eyeing another study currently underway on bear populations."

The biologist in charge, Charles Monnett, has actually been placed on administrative leave because of findings in the investigation. His fellow biologist Jeffrey Gleason, is also being questioned, but has yet to be suspended.

Human Events also reports, "the disputed paper was published by the journal Polar Biology in 2006, and suggests that the 'drowning-related deaths of polar bears may increase in the future if the observed trend of regression of pack ice and/or longer open-water periods continues.'"

The Polar Bear story is not an isolated illustration of the problem. Every time the topic of oil and gas development comes up for the Arctic region, the bears are an obstacle and used as the reason we cannot hire people to begin the process of extracting these resources.

A deeper look reveals hundreds of economic development projects have been stopped because regulators are more concerned with protecting the "Goddess Gaia" ( the mother earth goddess), than they are getting Americans back to work. There are mountains of examples of junk science methodology being used by federal and state regulatory agencies which are blocking economic growth in nearly every state.

If Obama is really serious about the nation's staggering unemployment, he will solve this regulatory stranglehold that is stunting economic growth.

http://townhall.com/columnists/floydandmarybethbrown/2011/08/19/obamas_epa_is_killing_more_jobs_than_economy_can_create/page/full/

Here's more:
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EPA’s new ozone regulations overburden local governments, say critics
Published: 3:03 PM 08/17/2011 | Updated: 2:36 PM 08/18/2011
By Matthew Boyle - The Daily Caller

The Environmental Protection Agency is driving a new ozone regulatory agenda that critics say will cripple local governments, small businesses and other industries nationwide.

President Barack Obama’s EPA aims to reduce the acceptable level of ozone in any given region from 75 parts per billion to between 60 and 70 parts per billion.

If implemented, the regulations would force local governments that fail to attain this goal to develop their own plans to reduce their ozone levels.

Critics say the new EPA target levels are overly burdensome and unrealistic.

“The EPA has set the proposed range so low, between 60 and 70 ppb, that they’re getting very close to background levels,” Alicia Meads, energy and resources policy director for the National Association of Manufacturers, said. “So, essentially, if the EPA sets it close to 60 ppb, areas like Yellowstone National Park are going to be in non-attainment.”

In addition to expected job losses, Meads said costs for meeting these new regulations would be split between local governments, small businesses and industry.

In a letter to Obama urging him to stop these regulations, a coalition between NAM and 35 state-level manufacturing associations cites a Manufacturers Alliance study that estimates the EPA’s new ozone regulations would eliminate 7.3 million jobs by 2020.

If local governments refuse to comply with these mandates, Mike McKenna of the American Energy Alliance said they will put their federal highway funds in jeopardy. The EPA could also take over the local government and develop a plan for them.

According to McKenna, athough the EPA doesn’t administer federal highway funding, the Clean Air Act gives the agency the power to withhold the funding if local governments don’t follow its mandates.

McKenna expects a bipartisan push against the EPA once local governments become aware of the impact. “It’s going to be mayhem, and it’s going to be bipartisan mayhem,” he said. “When you look at the map of who’s going to be out of attainment, a huge chunk of the areas are run by Democratic mayors.”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/08/17/epas- ... z1VbPM7E8G


And more:
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Super. CAFE standards for big rigs.
posted at 12:45 pm on August 12, 2011 by Jazz Shaw

We’ve had the opportunity to previously discuss the Obama administration’s proposed changes to CAFE standards for the nation’s fleet of passenger vehicles and the downstream effects this will have on auto prices and jobs. Never satisfied with half measures in “helping” us in this struggling economy, the White House has apparently decided to double down and apply similar new standards to long haul, big rig trucks now.

WASHINGTON–President Obama announced the first-ever fuel efficiency and greenhouse gas standards for long-haul rigs, work trucks, and other heavy duty vehicles Tuesday, the second mileage pact with manufacturers in less than a month.

The regulations call for reductions on fuel consumption and greenhouse gas emissions by 2018 of 9 to 23 percent, depending on the type of vehicle. Trucks and other heavy vehicles make up only 4 percent of the domestic vehicle fleet, but given the distance they travel, the time they spend idling and their low fuel efficiency, they end up consuming about 20% of all vehicle fuel, according to the Union of Concerned Scientists.

Experts say that a 20 percent reduction in heavy vehicle emissions would boost fuel efficiency to an average of 8 miles per gallon from 6 miles now.

I’m sorry, but didn’t the president just stand up at a battery factory someplace and tell us that his renewed focus was not only on jobs but on repairing the tanking national economy? I thought I remembered something about that.

Transportation companies have their eye on the bottom line just like everyone else, and fuel is one of their biggest expenses. Does anyone honestly believe that they aren’t already demanding the most gas efficient trucks the manufacturers can provide at a sustainable cost? It’s just how the market works.

So if this plan has the same effect we anticipate ramped up CAFE standards to have on the passenger vehicle fleet, it’s going to cost more for these companies to operate and haul their cargo. And who gets the bill for the increased shipping costs? I’ll give you one guess.
These trucks haul all sorts of things… particularly food. The Lonely Conservative chimes in with what should be a no-brainer.

President Obama and his nasty regulators have set new fuel standards for large trucks. No doubt this will drive up the cost of the food we put on our tables, because that food has to get from point A to point B. Does anyone out there think this won’t drive up the price of our food, and everything else we buy? Hellloooo? McFly?

By now, savvy observers should see something of a disconnect between the stated goals of the Obama administration and the actions of its regulatory agencies. The hits just keep on coming, don’t they?

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/08/12/super-cafe-standards-for-big-rigs/

Not done yet:
Reuters wrote:
U.S. farmers oppose EPA's proposed dust regulation
Thu Aug 19, 2010 5:59pm EDT

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - American farmers have been ridiculing a proposal by U.S. regulators to reduce the amount of dust floating in rural air.

"If there's ever been rural America, that's what rural America is," said Nebraska hog farmer Danny Kluthe. "You know? It's dirt out here, and with dirt you've got dust."

The Environmental Protection Agency is looking to tighten standards for the amount of harmful particles in the air, facing opposition from U.S. farming groups who call it an unrealistic attempt to regulate dust.

The EPA is reviewing its air quality standards to comply with the Clean Air Act that prescribes reevaluation every five years. The agency's scientific panel proposes either retaining or halving the current standard for coarse particles, commonly containing dust, ash and chemical pollutants--particles 10 microns or smaller in diameter, about one-tenth of human hair.

In scientific terms, the EPA is looking to either keep the standards at 150 micrograms per cubic meter or revise it down to 65 to 85 micrograms per cubic meter.

Environmental groups say these tiny elements could be harmful if not deadly for people, causing cardiovascular or respiratory problems.

"They are small enough that they bypass the natural defenses of the body and can be inhaled deeply into the lung," said Janice Nolen, the American Lung Association assistant vice president.

But for Kluthe, who lives a quarter of a mile away from any community, the health aspects mean little weighed against the possibility of costly dust control measures he may have to take, such as watering gravel roads or tilled soil.

"They need to get real," he said, echoing the messages the National Pork Producers and the National Cattlemen's Beef Association have been sending to the EPA.

Lawmakers from both parties also have been complaining about the reach of EPA farming regulations. In a recent manifestation, Richard Lugar, a senior Republican Senator from Indiana, sent EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson a letter pleading for "common-sense" on dust regulations.

But technically, EPA can't use common sense if it clashes with science, as their assessments are required to be purely scientific and mindless of ramifications, said John Walke, clean air director at the National Resources Defense Council.

"The EPA doesn't care where the pollution is coming from, and our lungs don't care," he said.

EPA will issue final proposed standards in late fall and at least until then, "it is too soon in the process to know" how EPA will enforce them, spokeswoman Cathy Milbourn said.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/08/19/us-epa-dust-regulation-idUSTRE67I5T120100819

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Assert all you want Sly, the standards are not based on CO2, they are based on sulfur dioxide and other pollutants that save lives. I like how numbers are cited on closing plants and the jobs they will take away and not note the ones that will be created when they have to build plants to replace them with cleaner more efficient coal plants, gas turbine plants, and wind. Maybe if you can post some comprehensive statistics we can get somewhere...

Make the straw man all you want that it is about global warming, but thee plants contribute way too much to the pollution issues we have. Get over it, it is real life.

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Dude, Obama has filled the EPA with nothing but Global Warming nutjobs. Since they can't get CO2 legislation passed through Congress, they're using pollution, ozone, particles, clean air, etc. as an excuse to accomplish the same thing that Global Warming laws would. To think otherwise, makes you ignorant or gullible. Take your pick.

I find it funny that you accuse me of making a strawman argument. You've used so many strawmen that crows are terrified of entering your zip code. Everyone who posts here knows that, so you are simply projecting. Get a grip before you use that lameass rebuttal again. The same goes for red herrings.

Here's some more on the EPA nonsense:
Daily Caller wrote:
White House, EPA ignore Small Business Admin’s report that new coal regulations will kill jobs, economy
Published: 3:13 PM 08/11/2011 | Updated: 12:30 AM 08/12/2011
By Matthew Boyle - The Daily Caller

President Barack Obama is ignoring heated concerns from within his own administration that new Environmental Protection Agency coal industry regulations will be economically devastating.

The EPA is plowing forward with new Maximum Achievable Control Technology (MACT) mandates. The regulations would force coal energy plants to install giant scrubber-like materials inside smokestacks to capture and cleanse carbon particles before their atmospheric release.

The upgrade cost would fall on company employees and coal miners in the form of layoffs, as well as on businesses, which could expect to pay more for energy.

In a lengthy letter to EPA Director Lisa Jackson, Obama’s Small Business Administration advocacy office wrote the EPA “may have significantly understated” the economic “burden this rulemaking would impose on small entities.”

One Southern Indiana Chamber of Commerce vice president, Tonya Fischer, told The Daily Caller the entire state of Indiana would be “devastated” by these regulations. “We are definitely in opposition to [the MACT regulations] because it would be devastating for the state of Indiana.” She adds that local businesses, which are struggling with the tough economy already, would be forced to pick up the extra energy production costs Obama’s EPA is pushing. “We get 95 percent of our electricity from coal.”

“The cost to convert those facilities would be passed on to the small business owners, or basically shut them [the coal energy producing facilities] down altogether,” Fischer said. “It would become cost-prohibitive for them [local businesses] to continue paying their electricity bills.”

If the EPA regulations aren’t halted, Fischer expects unemployment numbers in Indiana to skyrocket. “This has got to affect tens of thousands of jobs in the area because, not only would you lose the employees from the coal facilities, the plants themselves would become more streamlined so you’d lose jobs there and, of course, the small and local businesses.”


Americans for Limited Government Communications Director Rick Manning told TheDC if Obama actually cared about jobs, he’d stop the EPA and Jackson from pursuing their environmentalist agenda. He also offered an ultimatum to Obama on Jackson’s future.

“The president contends that jobs are his focus,” Manning said in a phone interview. “Perhaps he should tell Lisa Jackson at the EPA. If Obama wants to send a message to business that jobs are important to this administration, he should fire Lisa Jackson immediately.”

Alaska Republican Sen. Lisa Murkowski believes the EPA and Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) falsely implied they had worked together on an analysis of how the MACT regulations and others would affect the nation’s power supply.

“EPA’s rulemakings could have a serious impact on the affordability and reliability of our nation’s energy supply, especially given the sheer number of new regulations the agency has rolled out in such a short time period,” Murkowski wrote in a statement. ”The [FERC] commission’s staff has preliminarily estimated that up to 81 gigawatts of existing generation are ‘likely’ or ‘very likely’ to be retired as a consequence of new EPA rules. That’s nearly 8 percent of our installed capacity for electric generation and a retirement at that scale could have drastic consequences for many parts of our country.”

Tom Borelli, the director of the National Center for Public Policy Research’s Free Enterprise Project, said the EPA’s issues with the FERC and the SBA are “huge.”

“After the tragedies of 9/11, we learned that the securities administrations and agencies didn’t communicate,” Borelli said. “Now, we have the EPA and the FERC and the SBA not communicating. Obviously, it’s the EPA run wild, they’re a job killing machine and they don’t care about the consequences of their actions.”

Borelli said the White House and President Obama are responsible for the EPA’s actions and that they shouldn’t be attempting to deflect blame down the chain.

Borelli adds that bigger non-energy companies are moving operations overseas because the Obama administration regulations, especially EPA ones, make it cost too much for them to operate in the United States. “Why do you think Alcoa, which makes aluminum, of which a huge input cost is energy, why do you think they’re building in Saudi Arabia? Dow Chemical, the same thing?”

Even so, the White House press office has not given any specific responses to The Daily Caller’s questions on where Obama stands on this issue. The answers White House officials have provided don’t make it clear what Obama’s priorities are when it comes to this issue.

“President Obama has directed federal agencies to ensure that regulations protect public health, welfare, safety and our environment while promoting economic growth, innovation, competitiveness, and job creation,” White House spokesman Matt Lehrich told TheDC. But, Lehrich wouldn’t specifically answer whether Obama supports the MACT regulations that his own administration says would harm the economy.

Borelli said that if Obama cared about fixing the economy and jobs, he would stop Jackson and the EPA from promulgating more regulations onto energy companies. But, he said, like how Obamacare was rushed into law, the Obama administration and the EPA is “going as fast as they can” to get these new politically motivated regulations in place. “Common sense would dictate that in a bad economy, you don’t want to add any more uncertainty to the business environment and you certainly don’t want to make energy prices go higher,” Borelli said. “But, that’s exactly what this agenda is doing.”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/08/11/white ... z1Vc4yCNgq

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Again, conjecture. I'm not going to change your mind... but I don't care. I like breathing, it's nice. You have to replace those coal plants so I'm wondering what creates more jobs... building new plants and running them or running the old ones till they fall over. Simple logic test proves your knee jerk nonsense wrong. If you read my links you'd see that the real case is a big chunk of those plants were slated to be shut down anyways.

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Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, is it? :lol:

Closing cheap coal plants in favor of other energy producing plants or adding "scrubbers" to the existing coal plants will increase costs. These will be passed on to the consumers in the form of higher electricity rates. This will have a particularly adverse effect on the manufacturing sector which uses more electricity than most other industries. As a result of the EPA's overreach, some of these plants may be forced to shut down or relocate, hence a loss of jobs. Was that simple enough for you?

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steensn wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/getting-ready-for-a-wave-of-coal-plant-shutdowns/2011/08/19/gIQAzkZ0PJ_blog.html

Going to cost utilities billions an will require shutting down of coal plants. Good summary of the facts.


And your electric bill will be 3 times the size of what it is now. This is not good news to anyone outside of the wind energy business.


August 21st, 2011, 12:41 am
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Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, is it? :lol:

Closing cheap coal plants in favor of other energy producing plants or adding "scrubbers" to the existing coal plants will increase costs. These will be passed on to the consumers in the form of higher electricity rates. This will have a particularly adverse effect on the manufacturing sector which uses more electricity than most other industries. As a result of the EPA's overreach, some of these plants may be forced to shut down or relocate, hence a loss of jobs. Was that simple enough for you?


And to continuing the logical progression isn't yours huh...

you just can't seem to admit is that we then require new plants to be built and then run so those jobs come back.

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steensn wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/getting-ready-for-a-wave-of-coal-plant-shutdowns/2011/08/19/gIQAzkZ0PJ_blog.html

Going to cost utilities billions an will require shutting down of coal plants. Good summary of the facts.


And your electric bill will be 3 times the size of what it is now. This is not good news to anyone outside of the wind energy business.


Short term loss for long term gain. Once the market pays more for energy investors will invest in more power plants from new gas, coal, and wind bringing the supply up and decreasing prices. Long term we have less pollution causing medical conditions and death...

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Oh, and before everyone starts jumping on the "I hate Liberal Nazi" bandwagon, the EPA was created by the Republican party and approved the the congress at that time.

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