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August 22, 2011 12:50 PM
Jon Huntsman: Does a "center right" presidential candidate have a prayer?
By Brian Montopoli

After sputtering out of the gate, Republican presidential candidate Jon Huntsman has found his voice as an unapologetic advocate for moderation in the crowded GOP field.
But the question remains: Do Republican voters really want moderation in 2012?

Huntsman made waves last week with a Tweet that read: "To be clear. I believe in evolution and trust scientists on global warming. Call me crazy." The Tweet was a response to comments by one of his rivals, Texas Governor Rick Perry, who has cast evolution as "just a theory" with "gaps" and suggested that global warming is a hoax perpetrated by scientists seeking financial backing.

The former Utah governor went further in an appearance that aired Sunday, suggesting that his Republican rivals (as well as President Obama) are on the political "fringes." Appearing on ABC's "This Week," Huntsman proclaimed himself a "center right candidate" for a "center right country" and suggested that Republicans have a "serious problem" if their party is "willing to shun science and become a party that - that was antithetical to science."

"When we take a position that isn't willing to embrace evolution, when we take a position that basically runs counter to what 98 of 100 climate scientists have said... about what is causing climate change and man's contribution to it, I think we find ourselves on the wrong side of science, and, therefore, in a losing position," said Huntsman.

Huntsman also went after Perry for suggesting an attempt by Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke to boost the economy ahead of the election would be "almost treasonous."

"I'm not sure that the average voter out there is going to hear that treasonous remark and say that sounds like a presidential candidate, that sounds like someone who is serious on the issues," Huntsman said.

On Rep. Michele Bachmann's claim that she will get prices under $2 per gallon, Huntsman said it was "completely unrealistic" and "we live in the real world."

And he generally cast Perry, Bachmann and much of the rest of the GOP field as too conservative to beat President Obama next November.

"I think when you find yourself at an extreme end of the Republican Party, you make yourself unelectable," Huntsman said.

Despite early inside-the-beltway buzz, Huntsman has struggled to gain traction among GOP primary voters. Political observers tend to attribute his inability to catch on in large part to the perception that he is a political moderate: Huntsman's positions on immigration, cap-and-trade legislation and gay rights, among other issues, have turned off many in the Republican base. And his decision to accept President Obama's offer to become U.S. ambassador to China makes him a hard sell to GOP voters who do not like Mr. Obama.

Huntsman's initially brushed off characterization of the candidate as a moderate, and he has taken pains to stress his conservative credentials, most notably at a June appearance before skeptical social conservatives in which he stressed his opposition to abortion rights. But apparently recognizing that Huntsman simply couldn't compete as a conservative, the campaign appears to have decided to embrace Huntsman's niche as a relative moderate in a field that often seems to be competing to show who can prove themselves furthest to the right.

After the ABC interview, Huntsman's campaign sent out a fundraising email spotlighting it and claiming "a significant spike in traffic to our website, more new followers on Twitter than any other candidate by far and a flurry of online donations." The campaign hopes that Huntsman's full-throated moderation will generate the sort of positive momentum that has thus far been difficult for the candidate to come by.

Yet it's a very open question whether a moderate candidate really has a shot to take the Republican presidential nomination in 2012. The two candidates in the field who have generated the most buzz, Bachmann and Perry, have played squarely to the far right. It's true that the frontrunner for the nomination, Mitt Romney, is distrusted by many conservatives over his record as Massachusetts governor, which included moderation on social issues and passage of a universal health care law. But Romney has shifted right in recent years and put considerable effort into courting conservatives, having apparently concluded that moderation is not a winning strategy for a Republican presidential candidate.

And Huntsman's decision to stand with science is not necessarily going to help. Last year, Pew found that a majority of Republicans do not believe there is solid evidence that the earth is warming. Polls in recent years have also shown that a majority of Republican voters reject the theory of evolution.

Which raises the question: Does Huntsman really have a path to the nomination? His campaign has essentially ceded Iowa, where social conservatives dominate the GOP electorate, to Huntsman's rivals. Huntsman is pinning its hopes in large part on New Hampshire, where independent voters can vote in the GOP primary and where fiscal issues tend to trump social ones. If Huntsman can somehow shock Romney in New Hampshire (which is right next to Massachusetts, and where Romney has a summer home), he could displace his fellow Mormon as the candidate who can make the strongest electability argument to GOP primary voters whose primary focus is to unseat Mr. Obama.

But that's a big if. Huntsman predicted Sunday that he would do well in New Hampshire and South Carolina and then "bring it home in Florida." He also cast his low poll numbers as nothing to worry about, arguing that voters haven't yet tuned in.

"I like exactly where we are," he said. "Stay tuned."

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Post Re: Does a "center right" presidential candidate have a pray
The answer is NO.

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The answer is NO.

Goodness knows how well the fringe aspects of each party are running the country, eh?

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The problem is that the libtards and RINOs have been moving the goalposts to the left for the past 100 years. This clearly isn't working, so it's time to move them back to where they were. Most current conservative positions were considered moderate just 50 years ago, but now, they're called fringe. Conversely, the current libtard policy was deemed extreme during that timeframe. There's certainly a reason why most Americans believe we are heading in the wrong direction.

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The problem is that the libtards and RINOs have been moving the goalposts to the left for the past 100 years. This clearly isn't working, so it's time to move them back to where they were. Most current conservative positions were considered moderate just 50 years ago, but now, they're called fringe. Conversely, the current libtard policy was deemed extreme during that timeframe. There's certainly a reason why most Americans believe we are heading in the wrong direction.

Actually, I think the bigger problem is the mostly uneducated electorate. If voters took the time to educate themselves on the issues and what each candidate stands for and how they vote, then we wouldn't be in this mess IMO.

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slybri19 wrote:
The problem is that the libtards and RINOs have been moving the goalposts to the left for the past 100 years. This clearly isn't working, so it's time to move them back to where they were. Most current conservative positions were considered moderate just 50 years ago, but now, they're called fringe. Conversely, the current libtard policy was deemed extreme during that timeframe. There's certainly a reason why most Americans believe we are heading in the wrong direction.

Actually, I think the bigger problem is the mostly uneducated electorate. If voters took the time to educate themselves on the issues and what each candidate stands for and how they vote, then we wouldn't be in this mess IMO.


Bingo... which is why I still think the odl way of electing a representative to the electoral college might actually be still smarter than giving everyone a direct vote...

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TheRealWags wrote:
slybri19 wrote:
The problem is that the libtards and RINOs have been moving the goalposts to the left for the past 100 years. This clearly isn't working, so it's time to move them back to where they were. Most current conservative positions were considered moderate just 50 years ago, but now, they're called fringe. Conversely, the current libtard policy was deemed extreme during that timeframe. There's certainly a reason why most Americans believe we are heading in the wrong direction.

Actually, I think the bigger problem is the mostly uneducated electorate. If voters took the time to educate themselves on the issues and what each candidate stands for and how they vote, then we wouldn't be in this mess IMO.


Bingo... which is why I still think the odl way of electing a representative to the electoral college might actually be still smarter than giving everyone a direct vote...


Old way? Its still the only way a president gets elected.... or are you talking about something else again?

As for the uneducated electorate, if more people educated themselves, there wouldn't be a liberal problem. If they are educated in schools, then you can see why people don't even know their own nation's history. They believe the main problem that caused the Civil War was slavery, they believe Abraham Lincoln was against slavery, they believe FDR's new deal was unanimously praised by all, basically whoever is telling history makes history.

The further apart the two sides are, the less compromise we have and the less gets done, which is better for everyone. When you have moderates that want the best of both sides, they end up giving us the worst. Bill Clinton was seen as someone that was able to cross the isle. I saw a weak Republican party that allowed the Glass/Steagle Act to be completely removed which gave us the Dot com bubble, The housing bubble, the pension bubbles, the gas bubble, and the current mess we're in now. Cooperation in Washington might seem like a good idea, but the more that gets done, the worst it is for the rest of us. When the government only does the essentials that are necessary, and not their agenda, we have much better times.


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Post Re: Does a "center right" presidential candidate have a pray
It used to be that the electoral college actually voted based on their opinion and the voters would simply vote on that persons qualifications to make that judgement. There was a disconnect there that you voted for a person who was savvy or informed enough to represent your vote... now they just simply vote exactly for who the popular vote is for the state giving all the power to vote back to the people.

The original intent was to have something more like the British parloment where the Legislature elected the president. But they wanted that to be seperate and each state would be capable of selecting their representatives the way they wanted (by appointement or vote)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_ ... ted_States)

We moved to the current way when we THOUGHT people would be informed enough for a semi direct vote. I'm saying we are wrong and maybe the original intent of the electoral college is still valid..

See the difference?

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TheRealWags wrote:
Actually, I think the bigger problem is the mostly uneducated electorate. If voters took the time to educate themselves on the issues and what each candidate stands for and how they vote, then we wouldn't be in this mess IMO.

I agree, but that's where people like me come into play. I couldn't tell you how many family members, friends, neighbors, co-workers, and acquaintances I've spoken to over the past two years about Obama and the libtard/socialist agenda. Ya gotta get out there and educate the voters about the truth until they see the light. I may not be able to convert die-hard Democrats, like my two gay neighbors, but they all question whether Obama is the right man for the job by the time I'm done.

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Sly,

I've always liked reading your posts, weather here or at the old board. I, however, am wishing you would stop using the word LIBTARD. I would like to add that I feel the way you do, but your use of that term just seems to put down your intelligence. That,s just my opinion though. Do I expect you to stop? NO, but I hope you do. To me it's like someone screaming louder and louder to get their point across instead of using a logical argument to enhance their stance.


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Frok, I understand where you're coming from, but I simply can't do it. I made a vow that I'll stop calling them "libtards" once they stop calling the Tea Party "racists" and "terrorists". Those scumbags aren't going to stop, so neither am I. Sorry, dude. Right or wrong, they started the war of words, so I have no problem jumping into the mud with them and even go further if I have to. If they want a fight, I'll bring it to those commie bastards each and every day until I die. They started it, so now they have to deal with the consequences.

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frok wrote:
Sly,

I've always liked reading your posts, weather here or at the old board. I, however, am wishing you would stop using the word LIBTARD. I would like to add that I feel the way you do, but your use of that term just seems to put down your intelligence. That,s just my opinion though. Do I expect you to stop? NO, but I hope you do. To me it's like someone screaming louder and louder to get their point across instead of using a logical argument to enhance their stance.


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Agree 110%

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Frok, I understand where you're coming from, but I simply can't do it. I made a vow that I'll stop calling them "libtards" once they stop calling the Tea Party "racists" and "terrorists". Those scumbags aren't going to stop, so neither am I. Sorry, dude. Right or wrong, they started the war of words, so I have no problem jumping into the mud with them and even go further if I have to. If they want a fight, I'll bring it to those commie bastards each and every day until I die. They started it, so now they have to deal with the consequences.

While I understand, and can even appreciate, your stance, it tends to make you, and by extension your statements/posts, look unintelligent and childish. I just think its gotten old and tired and that it may actually be hurting your cause. Like Frok, I don't expect you to change, but I'd like you to at least consider what we're saying.

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slybri19 wrote:
Frok, I understand where you're coming from, but I simply can't do it. I made a vow that I'll stop calling them "libtards" once they stop calling the Tea Party "racists" and "terrorists". Those scumbags aren't going to stop, so neither am I. Sorry, dude. Right or wrong, they started the war of words, so I have no problem jumping into the mud with them and even go further if I have to. If they want a fight, I'll bring it to those commie bastards each and every day until I die. They started it, so now they have to deal with the consequences.


there is a part where the good are supposed to rise above it bro. Understand that when you lower yourself to thier level, you also lower the opinions of others (in reference to you) to their level too. you lose power by demeaning yourself. to do it every once in a while to make a point is good. to sling it every other word and you lose your audience.

to put in perspective: think of it like the "F" word. If you use it sparingly, dropping the F bomb is like adding a huge exclamation point. use it every other word and people think your a fool.

your message is gettin lost when you name call bro. Know your audience..and speak in accordance with them if you want to win them over.

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If you ask me, we have had too many Center Left/Center Right presidents. It's time for a good old Ronald Regan Hard Right president.


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BillySims wrote:
If you ask me, we have had too many Center Left/Center Right presidents. It's time for a good old Ronald Regan Hard Right president.

I heard something recently that I think is correct. People have this memory of Reagan being a hard line conservative, but he wasn't. At least not by today's standards. Think about it. Reagan endorsed amnesty for illegals and raised taxes. Yes he also cut taxes and was conservative on a lot of issues, but he wasn't a hard line conservative by today's standards. At least not by my interpretation.

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