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 What is 9/9/9? 
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Post What is 9/9/9?
Since Cain is the only one actually putting forth a proposal, what is 9/9/9 and what good do y'all think it will be?

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October 6th, 2011, 2:40 pm
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Post Re: What is 9/9/9?
HermanCain.com wrote:
Herman Cain's 999 Plan
Vision for Economic Growth

The natural state of our economy is prosperity. Freedom ensures that.
We must get the government off our backs, out of our pockets and out of our way in order to return to prosperity.
Policy uncertainty is killing the economy.

Economic Guiding Principles

Production drives the economy, not spending.
We can not spend our way to prosperity.
Government spending IS taxation.
Government spending is like taking a bucket of water from the deep end of the pool, pouring it in the shallow end. Then they HOPE that the water level will CHANGE.
Risk taking drives growth .
Business formation and job creation are dependent on entrepreneurs taking risks.
Investors who fund those entrepreneurs likewise take risks.
Measurements must be dependable.
A dollar must always be a dollar just as an hour is always 60 minutes.
Sound money is crucial for prosperity.

We Must Unite Not Divide

When one party seeks to spend so that the other party must focus on cutting, we must unite around economic growth.
Unite all tax payers, don’t divide them into “income” tax payers vs. “payroll” tax payers.
Unite those wanting to eliminate deductions with those seeking lower rates.
As a first step, unite the “Flat-Taxers” with the “Fair-Taxers”

Economic Growth is the Key

This is the worst recovery since the Depression.
If the President’s goal was to tie for last place with the previous worst recovery, he failed by 6 million jobs.
If we had a typical recovery, 13 million more Americans would be employed today.
That means more tax revenue, less government spending and 13 million less people opposed to reasonable spending cuts.
The Super Committee must deliver a robust growth solution.
America can’t wait for 2012, we need growth NOW

Phase 1 - 9-9-9

Current circumstances call for bolder action.
The Phase 1 Enhanced Plan incorporates the features of Phase One and gets us a step closer to Phase two.
I call on the Super Committee to pass the Phase 1 Enhanced Plan along with their spending cut package.
The Phase 1 Enhanced Plan unites Flat Tax supporters with Fair tax supporters.
Achieves the broadest possible tax base along with the lowest possible rate of 9%.
It ends the Payroll Tax completely – a permanent holiday!
Zero capital gains tax
Ends the Death Tax.
Eliminates double taxation of dividends
Business Flat Tax – 9%
Gross income less all investments, all purchases from other businesses and all dividends paid to shareholders.
Empowerment Zones will offer additional deductions for payroll employed in the zone.
Individual Flat Tax – 9%.
Gross income less charitable deductions.
Empowerment Zones will offer additional deductions for those living and/or working in the zone.
National Sales Tax – 9%.
This gets the Fair Tax off the sidelines and into the game.

Phase 2 – The Fair Tax

Amidst a backdrop of the economic boom created by the Phase 1 Enhanced Plan, I will begin the process of educating the American people on the benefits of continuing the next step to the Fair Tax.
The Fair Tax would ultimately replace individual and corporate income taxes.
It would make it possible to end the IRS as we know it.
The Fair Tax makes our exported goods and services the most competitively internationally than any other tax system.

Phase 1 Enhanced Plan – Summary

Unites all tax payers so we all pay income taxes and no one pays payroll taxes
Provides the least incentive to evade taxes and the fewest opportunities to do so
Lifts a $430 billion dead-weight burden on the economy due to compliance, enforcement, collection, etc.
Is fair, neutral, transparent, and efficient
Ends nearly all deductions and special interest favors
Ends all payroll taxes
Ends the Death Tax
Features zero tax on capital gains and repatriated profits
Lowest marginal rates on production
Allows immediate expensing of business investments
Eliminates double taxation of dividends
Increases capital formation. Capital per worker drives productivity and wage growth
Capital formation will aid capital availability for small businesses
Features a platform to launch properly structured Empowerment Zones to revitalize our inner cities
We all know the Fed has tripled the money supply since 2008. They have been printing money out of thin air to finance the Obama spending machine. While true Fed reform that restores sound money may have to wait for my election, the best thing we can do now is to pursue policies that increase the DEMAND for dollars to help mitigate the risks associated with the increase in the supply.
Pro-growth economic policies equal a strong dollar policy


http://www.hermancain.com/999plan

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October 6th, 2011, 2:50 pm
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Post Re: What is 9/9/9?
Here's a pretty good run down:


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... -tax-plan/


Its projected to net us $380 billion less in revenue per year, but I don't think it's that big of a deal, as it will virtually eliminate the IRS, saving the government a boat-load of cash, and we need to cut spending by at least that much anyhow.

I have to add... What I like most about it is how easy it is to fix if it happens to generate less revenue that it is supposed to. A simply adjustment of a 1/2% here or there would allow for predictible, transparent, manageable changes to our tax structure.


October 6th, 2011, 2:51 pm
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Post Re: What is 9/9/9?
I realize this is TOTALLY unrealistic, but I'm looking at this from a leadership standpoint.

If I were Cain or Perry and I'm trying to lead this country back to it's core beliefs here is the first thing I would do.

* Have a notarized statement drawn up effectively stating that I as POTUS would suspend my salary as said POTUS for the length of my term in office, and I would effectively request Congress to draw up an Amendment for the Constitution that removes the POTUS from lifetime pay of said salary. This would not be retroactive for former POTUS's, but would start with me. (This is leadership by example, and it will demonstrate to the U.S. Citizenry that I am willing to forgo a salary in order to lead this country.)

* I would request that Congress consider following my lead in this regard as well, but it must be a free will offer, not a requirement.

* Capital Gains Taxes, severly cut or wiped out altogether. (keep in mind I am not fully aware of what this tax does, but I know that it restricts growth, especially in business.)

* Dissolution of Union Power: We've seen what union thugs do when their meal ticket is threatened. I am suggesting that the ability of the Unions to control and influence government through threat is ILLEGAL.

* Dissolution of special interests and Lobbyism: Make it unlawful for said tactics to continue, as it lines the pockets of politicians at the cost of the American People.

* Write out a Presidential Order to ST 6 to immediately capture and bring George Soros and any other "gazillinaire" who is trying to influence US elections via buying off votes, and elections.

Having said all that, I imagine I would not be among the breathing for very long, but hopefully long enough to LEAD BY EXAMPLE, and get this country back on track.

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October 6th, 2011, 2:55 pm
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I have no problem with the president getting his salary for life. In fact, I prefer it. I don't want a former president looking like someone from "Behind the Lines" in financial trouble or otherwise mocked. It literally costs more money to run for president than they will ever make from their salary, and his salary is a drop in the ocean compared to what we spend elsewhere.

Reductions in staff members for Congress would be welcomed by me (I think they currently get 20 "staffers" with their staff having their own staff (secretaries and such), and all they do is sit around and think of ways to expand government or spend more money.


October 6th, 2011, 3:12 pm
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Post Re: What is 9/9/9?
Interesting Cain interview by MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell. A bit long, but worth it IMO.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/ ... _cain.html

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October 7th, 2011, 3:40 pm
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Post Re: What is 9/9/9?
O'Donnel is a dolt. How can he be offended Cain didn't volunteer for Vietnam when he used a college waiver to avoid service? At least Cain made himself available and wasn't chosen. If you aren't a racist, you're a race traitor if you're black and don't vote Dem.


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Post Re: What is 9/9/9?
Lawrence O'Donnell is a self-admitted socialist who works for the aptly-named, Most Socialist Network on Basic Cable. As such, everything he says should be viewed as far-left ideological propaganda and rhetoric.

After watching the video, I thought Herman Cain handled himself well, despite the non-stop "gotcha" questions thrown at him by O'Donnell. However, I wish Cain would have turned the tables on that commie scumbag and asked why Obama didn't volunteer for the military either. O'Donnell implied that Cain wasn't capable of being Commander In Chief since he didn't serve, but he obviously doesn't hold Obama to that same standard.

The GOP candidates are going to constantly get questioning like this from the lamestream media, while Obama will continue to receive a free pass. Because of this, each candidate should turn each "gotcha" question into a referendum on Obama like I described above. It would really be quite easy to do. Just answer the question as honestly as possible, then state a similar incident/statement/policy by Obama and ask why the interviewer hasn't questioned him about it. Bring the lamestream media's bias and double standards to light in every interview from now on.

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Post Re: What is 9/9/9?
WarEr4Christ wrote:
* Write out a Presidential Order to ST 6 to immediately capture and bring George Soros and any other "gazillinaire" who is trying to influence US elections via buying off votes, and elections.


So...you want the federal government to arrest Soros. I am curious as to what you will charge him with because as far as I know he has not committed any crimes. I am uncomfortable with individuals being arrested without committing crimes. Additionally under the same premise you should probably add in the Koch brothers, Rupert Murdoch, and throw in the higher ups of pretty much every financial institution :roll:

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October 8th, 2011, 11:11 pm
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Post Re: What is 9/9/9?
@Stallion:

He has openly admitted to purchasing elections and "destroying" the economies of 3 or 4 nations. He has also been fingered in the attempt of purchasing the Secretary of State Races in some key states, (Oregon I think). Why is it that SoS matters? Because when a vote is too close to call, it is the SoS who makes the decision, runs the research and so on, as I understand it.

So if Mr. Soros is NOT (and I'm not sure if he is or not) a U.S. citizen, then he is an outsider who is trying to influence an election illegally. Therefore I would define that as a criminal act worthy of capture and arrest. It's no different than the illegal activities of ACORN who were using the votes of people who didn't exist.

that's my stand point. Obviously I need more information about some of the details.

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October 9th, 2011, 5:41 pm
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Post Re: What is 9/9/9?
George Soros is an American citizen. I am curious if you mean purchasing you mean spending money on elections because that is legal. Soros may have hurt some economies, most of which helped topple dictatorships, but you can you really hold that against him? He used the systems in place and made a ton of money, is that not what conservatives love?

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October 10th, 2011, 12:27 am
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Post Re: What is 9/9/9?
I was unaware of his citizenship, so thanks on that.

As for funding elections, it would appear you say tomAto, and I say toMAHto. Because if it could be proven that votes were bought, or influenced, then that's criminal.

As for what "conservatives" love, I can speak for all, but I will voice my own view.

* I want the ability to earn a living
* I want the ability to raise my family
* I want the ability to succeed through my own hard work
* I want the right to choose how much, and where I choose to give
* I want to be protected from forces outside of the US that would do us harm
* I don't want to have to pay for someone else that WILL NOT work
* I don't want to have settle for middle of the road, health care, education, government issued anything
* I don't want the government telling me I have to do anything in regards to healthcare, or other basic services. Big Brother can butt the heck out!
* I want a strong military that does NOT intervene unless requested by the appropriate country, and AUTHORIZED by Congress.
* I want the Constitution to remain TRUE, and UNINTERPRETED by lower court judges. Our rights and freedoms have been pretty clear and concise until recent years. If a change needs to be made, draw up the legislation and put it before the people.

But these are all a pipe dream, this country is DOA, it just doesn't realize it yet.

I see MAObama sitting back and clapping his greedy little hands at the dissention he has created in 3 years, and I say SHAME on him. This country will not stand because we are divided, and will never be reconciled. We are broke and more spending will only dig the hole deeper. So that's my view as a conservative.

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October 10th, 2011, 11:50 am
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Post Re: What is 9/9/9?
The ironic thing is I am fairly certain we are polar opposites on the political spectrum but we believe in many of the same things. The primary difference is the means to the end. The only huge difference is the view on Obama. The idea that he is "clapping his greedy hands at the dissension* he has created" is a little ridiculous in my opinion. The divisions in this country have always been there and it is simply a part of our democratic system. The real divisions are caused by the media (FOX, MSNBC, CNN) and individuals who have become so radicalized one side of another that they cannot have meaningful discussions with those of differing views. The idea that Obama is trying to divide and destroy the country is one of those views that make it increasing difficult to have meaningful dialogue. The same is also true for liberals saying the same thing about *insert conservative of choice*.

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Post Re: What is 9/9/9?
WarEr4Christ wrote:
I was unaware of his citizenship, so thanks on that.

As for funding elections, it would appear you say tomAto, and I say toMAHto. Because if it could be proven that votes were bought, or influenced, then that's criminal.

As for what "conservatives" love, I can speak for all, but I will voice my own view.

* I want the ability to earn a living
* I want the ability to raise my family
* I want the ability to succeed through my own hard work
* I want the right to choose how much, and where I choose to give
* I want to be protected from forces outside of the US that would do us harm
* I don't want to have to pay for someone else that WILL NOT work
* I don't want to have settle for middle of the road, health care, education, government issued anything
* I don't want the government telling me I have to do anything in regards to healthcare, or other basic services. Big Brother can butt the heck out!
* I want a strong military that does NOT intervene unless requested by the appropriate country, and AUTHORIZED by Congress.
* I want the Constitution to remain TRUE, and UNINTERPRETED by lower court judges. Our rights and freedoms have been pretty clear and concise until recent years. If a change needs to be made, draw up the legislation and put it before the people.


But these are all a pipe dream, this country is DOA, it just doesn't realize it yet.

I see MAObama sitting back and clapping his greedy little hands at the dissention he has created in 3 years, and I say SHAME on him. This country will not stand because we are divided, and will never be reconciled. We are broke and more spending will only dig the hole deeper. So that's my view as a conservative.



I think many of us can agree with that, regardless of party affiliations. Maybe that's the real problem, the fact that many people put party ahead of what's best for the nation. We can dream, I guess....

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October 11th, 2011, 5:34 pm
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Post Re: What is 9/9/9?
Under his plan, corporations would pay no taxes at all. He states it would be 9% less dividends and investments. They would just use all the profits on dividends and investments.

Further, it would significantly increase taxes paid by the middle class. Most Americans would see their taxes increase tremendously. Given the ongoing protests (which are likely to intensify) its not politically viable. Also, his idea to require a 2/3 vote on tax increases is unconstitutional.

The middle class does not benefit from the government spending money. The rich and the welfare babies do. Cut the welfare, cut the spending--restore the middle class.

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To clarify: Your average middle class worker making $50k a year with a small house and a kid or two pays relatively no taxes and still struggles to make ends meet. Under Cain's plan, this worker would end up paying $9000 in taxes, seeing their income fall by nearly 20%. Yeah, not gonna happen.


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