Herman Cain offended by 'bad apple,' 'crack pipe' comments
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Author:  TheRealWags [ October 11th, 2011, 12:52 pm ]
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LA Times wrote:
Herman Cain offended by 'bad apple,' 'crack pipe' comments
By Kim Geiger

October 11, 2011, 9:06 a.m.

Republican presidential candidate and retired pizza chain executive Herman Cain didn't take long Monday to jump into a dispute over his views on racism.

In an appearance on Fox News’ Hannity, Cain said he found “offensive” comments that were made by Harry Belafonte and Cornel West in response to his assertion that people use racism as an excuse.

“Because he happened to have had good fortune hit him, because he happened to have had a moment when he broke through – the moment someone blinked – does not make him the authority on the plight of people of color,” Belafonte said in an interview with Joy Behar that will be aired in full Friday on HLN.

“Herman Cain is just the latest incarnation of what is totally false to the needs of our community and the needs of our nation,” Belafonte said. “I think he’s a bad apple, and people should look at his whole card. He’s not what he says he is.”

West said Cain, “needs to get off the symbolic crack pipe and acknowledge that the evidence [of racism] is overwhelming.”

Cain took to Fox Monday night and called the statements "offensive."

“Look, I left the Democrat plantation a long time ago,” Cain said in response to Belfonte’s comment. “And all that they try to do when someone like me – and I’m not the only black person out there that shares these conservative views – the only tactic that they have to try and intimidate me and shut me up is to call me names, and this sort of thing. It just simply won’t work.”

He dismissed West as someone who “has been in academia too long.”

“He is out of touch with the real world,” Cain said.

“I don’t have a lot of patience for people who want to blame racism on the fact that some people don’t make it in America,” Cain said, noting that he “was able to climb the corporate ladder” at Pillsbury and Burger King.

“If you put your mind to it and you don’t play the victim card, you can do whatever you want to do in this country,” he said. “I am walking proof of that.”


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Author:  regularjoe12 [ October 11th, 2011, 2:29 pm ]
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If you put your mind to it and you don’t play the victim card, you can do whatever you want to do in this country,”

Thats just downright hard to argue against. Thats some old school Bill Cosby stuff right there. Gotta respect it IMO.

Author:  slybri19 [ October 13th, 2011, 5:52 pm ]
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Townhall wrote:
Herman Cain to Blacks: Divorce the Democratic Party
Larry Elder
Columnist, Townhall.com

What to do about Herman Cain?

This question goes not to the Republican Party, where "establishment" candidates like Mitt Romney privately dismiss Cain as lacking the experience, gravitas and resources to beat President Barack Obama and then to soundly govern the country.

Herman Cain is not going to be the GOP nominee.

Without a serious star-power staff, a ground game, chips to be called in by the candidate or the candidate's influential network of friends of influence, the "fat cats" sit on their checkbooks until and unless they believe their horse can win. A serious presidential candidate is not one who, like Cain, breaks from campaigning for a book tour timed to coincide with his unlikely quest for the White House.

No, Cain is a clear and present danger to the Democratic Party -- and their invaluable near-monolithic black vote. Cain says things like: "African-Americans have been brainwashed" into voting for the Democratic Party; "If you (Wall Street protestors) don't have a job or you're not rich, blame yourself"; "People sometimes hold themselves back because they want to use racism as an excuse for them not being able to achieve what they want to achieve"; and "I don't believe racism in this country today holds anybody back in a big way."

How do some influential left-wing blacks react? Not well:

Cornell West, professor of black studies at Princeton: Cain needs to "get off the symbolic crack pipe."

Harry Belafonte, entertainer, civil rights activist: "He's a bad apple, and people should look at his whole card. He's not what he says he is."

Tavis Smiley, PBS host and NPR broadcaster, simply writes off Cain's comments as "ridiculous or crazy."

But Cain threatens to change the race-card game in ways that even those who voted against Barack Obama hoped he would do: Put the stake through the heart of the nonsense that white racism still holds people back. Instead, Obama sides with a black Harvard professor who badly mistreats a white Cambridge cop who was just doing his job. Obama tells an author that racism fuels the opposition to ObamaCare. Obama says nothing when comrades ranging from former President Jimmy Carter to Jesse Jackson Jr. to Morgan Freeman defend Obama by blaming racism.

Now comes Cain.

He calls his economic program 9-9-9. But Cain's real number is 95. That is the percentage of the black vote captured in 2008 by Obama. What if someway, somehow, the Republicans captured over 35 percent of black presidential vote, as the GOP did as recently as 1956?

Cain asks this question: Why do blacks, in 2011, vote Democratic? Answer: because a) they falsely believe racism remains a serious threat and b) that Republicans are bad people who wish them ill. Neither of which, says Cain, is true. Blacks are more anti-abortion, more pro-traditional marriage and more pro-vouchers for inner-city parents than the typical non-black Democrat. A bad economy, made worse by Obama's tax-spend-regulate, welfare-state mentality, means blacks suffer disproportionately.

This argument makes Cain a walking refutation to the black victicrat "leaders" who speak about the "plight" of the "black underclass," and who attribute legitimate policy differences to "racism."

Cain represents a hardworking, up-from-the-bootstraps, financially successful, plainspoken Republican Southern black man who believes America in 2011 and America in 1960 are two different worlds. Worse for the grievance crowd, Cain calls out the Democratic Party for fostering a victicrat mentality and creating a sense of entitlement.

Cain's straight talk makes him stand out in debates. He is now close to cracking the "top tier" of candidates. Clearly, lots of people have begun to listen. What if blacks start listening?

Cain believes what former slave Booker T. Washington wrote a mere 35 years after slavery ended: "When a Negro girl learns to cook, to wash dishes, to sew, to write a book, or a Negro boy learns to groom horses, or to grow sweet potatoes, or to produce butter, or to build a house, or to be able to practise medicine, as well or better than some one else, they will be rewarded regardless of race or colour. In the long run, the world is going to have the best, and any difference in race, religion, or previous history will not long keep the world from what it wants.

"I think that the whole future of my race hinges on the question as to whether or not it can make itself of such indispensable value that the people in the town and the state where we reside will feel that our presence is necessary to the happiness and well-being of the community. No man who continues to add something to the material, intellectual, and moral well-being of the place in which he lives is long left without proper reward. This is a great human law which cannot be permanently nullified."

Or, as Cain puts it, "I left the Democrat plantation a long time ago."


Hopefully, if nothing else, Herman Cain can awaken the blacks in this country and make them question why they vote for Democrats. The Dems offer them handouts and entitlements in exchange for votes, but what have they actually done for them? Look at Detroit as a prime example of liberalism run amok for 40 years. Is that what anybody, black or white, really wants? It's time for a reality check.

Author:  TheRealWags [ October 14th, 2011, 9:28 pm ]
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WSJ wrote:
On Health Care, Cain Returns Home


Herman Cain has surged in the Republican presidential contest with his plan to overhaul taxation. It was an equally contentious issue—health care—that put him on the political map in the first place 17 years ago.

In 1994, the Godfather's Pizza chief executive debated with President Bill Clinton at a town-hall meeting over whether the president's proposed health-care legislation would cripple his restaurant enterprise. The chain offered insurance to 17% of its workers, and the Clinton bill would have required Godfather's to include nearly every worker, including part-timers.

"If I'm forced to do this, what will I tell those people whose jobs I will have to eliminate?" a stern-faced Mr. Cain asked Mr. Clinton via satellite.

The exchange, combined with Mr. Cain's health-care offering at Godfather's Pizza, offer an indication of Mr. Cain's stance on a pressing national matter. With his campaign for political office now on the upswing, Mr Cain is working to fill out his plans for the country's health system—most recently by tapping former Surgeon General C. Everett Koop as an adviser on health matters.

At Godfather's, Mr. Cain's health-care plan was in line with the rest of the restaurant industry, which offers relatively skimpy insurance coverage. He fought to prevent government from requiring him to insure more people, and made holding down costs a key part of his corporate strategy.

As a candidate, Mr. Cain's current stated positions borrow largely from congressional Republican leaders and deviate little from his GOP presidential opponents. If elected, he pledges to repeal President Barack Obama's 2010 health overhaul law, which he has dubbed "health care deform." He supports transitioning Medicare to a system where seniors get subsidies to buy private insurance plans, and turning Medicaid into a state-run program using blocks of federal funding. Both ideas were passed by the GOP-controlled House.

Mr. Cain wants to expand the tax break that companies get for providing insurance to workers to include Americans who buy policies on their own. He calls for loosening restrictions on health savings accounts. To curb medical malpractice lawsuits, he suggests making losers pick up the tab.

While running Omaha-based Godfather's, from 1986 to 1996, Mr. Cain helped revive the chain by curbing costs, including health care, former executives say. Health insurance was available only to full-time employees, which largely excluded rank-and-file store workers, several former executives say.

"It was the managers, assistant managers, and if you were some type of supervisor. But if you were a counter person...most of those people only worked about 20 hours a week," which meant they didn't qualify, said Spencer Wiggins, a former Godfather's Pizza human-resources executive.

Jolene Jefferies, a former secretary for Mr. Cain, said health benefits became less generous after he took the helm because Godfather's no longer was owned by Pillsbury, which had deeper pockets and more negotiating power than a smaller company. "I remember the plans being very good," she says.

Mr. Cain's staff declined to make him, or a policy official, available for comment.

Of the chain's 3,418 workers at corporate-owned operations, 593 were eligible for Godfather's health-insurance plan, and 409 enrolled, according to figures Mr. Cain provided in 1994. The company paid 75% of the cost of the plan and workers picked up the remaining 25%. Providing insurance cost the company $500,000 in 1994, and accounted for 2.5% of the company's payroll, Mr. Cain said at the time.

Mr. Clinton called for employers to expand insurance to part-time workers, which Mr. Cain estimated would increase his company's health-care costs to $2.2 million a year. In the televised exchange, Mr. Clinton disputed Mr. Cain's math, and asked why the company and its competitors couldn't increase the cost of pizza to cover it.

Mr. Cain responded by disputing Mr. Clinton's math, and said larger competitors would have an advantage in absorbing the cost.

Within hours, the phones at Godfather's headquarters were lighting up with calls, said one former executive. Former vice presidential candidate Jack Kemp flew in for a meeting, Mr. Cain told the National Review, and tapped him to sit on a tax commission. Political pundits cited Mr. Cain's star turn as a seminal moment in the collapse of Mr. Clinton's health plan.

"Cain became a folk hero overnight after his engagement with President Clinton," said Scott Reed, a Republican consultant who ran Bob Dole's 1996 presidential campaign. With Mr. Kemp as the running mate, the campaign invited Mr. Cain to fly on the campaign trail plane, where he served as "a good strong, calming influence and helped Jack stay focused," Mr. Reed said.

More recently, Mr. Cain, a survivor of colon and liver cancer, has favored bolder statements about the country's health system. At a GOP presidential debate in Orlando last month, Mr. Cain asserted, "I would be dead on 'Obamacare,'" because the law would have delayed the treatments he received in 2006.

Fact checkers called the statement false, and proponents of the health overhaul said he crossed a line. "For him to use that story to suggest that the outcome would have been different under the new health reform law is extraordinarily cynical and manipulative," said Ethan Rome, executive director of Health Care for America Now, a liberal advocacy group.

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Author:  slybri19 [ October 14th, 2011, 10:02 pm ]
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Wags, I actually watched the video of Cain taking on Clinton at that Town Hall about two weeks ago. Cain schooled him.

Here's more about why liberal blacks are against Cain:
NY Daily News wrote:
Why the left fears Herman Cain: Surging candidate threatens allegiance between blacks and Dems
Andrea Tantaros

Friday, October 14th 2011, 4:00 AM

Though he's been a GOP candidate for President for months, it wasn't until he won the Florida straw poll last month and performed adeptly at the Fox News/Google debate in Orlando that Herman Cain caught the eye of millions and started surging in most polls. And just this week, an NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll showed him leading the GOP pack.

One can see why. He espouses a Reagan-esque likeability, he isn't stiff or staid and his story of personal success through hard work and determination is enormously inspiring. Growing up in the segregated South, he worked tirelessly to become the CEO of Godfather's Pizza. He knows what it's like to be forced to use a different water fountain than whites. But he also knows that being angry about his past would only hinder his future. The more you learn about Cain, the more you can't help but admire him.

That is, unless you're on the left. Yes, the man who compares himself to black walnut ice cream is giving liberals a brain freeze.

For example, singer and activist Harry Belafonte called Cain a "bad apple" and insinuated he was stupid.

"It's very hard to comment on somebody who is so denied intelligence, and certainly someone who is as denied a view of history," Belafonte said. "Because he happened to have had good fortune hit him, because he happened to have had a moment, when he broke through the moment someone blinked, does not make him the authority on the plight of people of color."

Liberal academic Cornel West (who has been taking swings at President Obama) told CNN, "I think he needs to get off the symbolic crack pipe."

And the Rev. Al Sharpton - one of the most notorious race baiters of the 1980s - hypocritically charged that Cain invokes race at any chance he gets and has criticized him for not being "authentically black," calling his politics a "joke."

So why would African-Americans espouse so much hatred for a black man who broke through racial barriers to embody the very notion of the self-made man?

Columnist and commentator Juan Williams believes they are "threatened by the success of Herman Cain." True as that may be, the anger of Cain's black critics has deeper roots than mere professional jealousy.

First, there is the political threat that Cain could garner a portion of the black vote if nominated, thus stealing from Obama's base. But second, and most importantly, Cain is blasting away at the left for having "brainwashed" African-Americans into voting the Democrat line, saying that he "left the Democratic plantation" and urging fellow blacks to do the same.

These messages are true for any oppressed American no matter what race or gender, but they directly threaten liberals like West and Sharpton, who have made careers out of inflammatory race rhetoric.

You see, talking about cutting government spending and lowering taxes to create jobs is one thing. Talking about personal responsibility over pocketing a government check, looking forward instead of backwards and choosing entrepreneurship over dependence is another. If the left co-opted the latter theme, blacks - and, in fact, many others - would be better off. Then again, West and Sharpton would suddenly become irrelevant.

Much as Sarah Palin flipped the feminist agenda on its head, Cain is doing the same for race.

The left wants minorities - women, blacks, Hispanics - to lean on government. Liberals have long loved to claim they represent African-Americans better than the right ever could, but under Obama - and even with a Democratic Congress - unemployment for blacks has spiked, as has the number of those on food stamps. Liberals also like to pretend they are tolerant and accepting of those who are different, but when it comes to anyone not ensconced in their progressive, elitist dogma - especially minorities - they mock and attack them, much as they did to Juan Williams when he was at NPR (and as they are now doing to Cain).

The strategy of Cain's detractors might be to intimidate and call him names, but the more they ridicule and insult him, the more they look desperate to play the race card in a country that desperately needs to move on from racial outdated tension.

Whether or not Herman Cain secures the nomination has yet to be determined. But even if he falls short, he's poised to be a rising star in the Republican Party, and a leader with a potent mantra.

"I don't have a lot of sympathy for people who believe this country owes them something," Cain has said. "If you put your mind to it and you don't play the victim card, you can do whatever you want to do in this country. I am walking proof of that."

That's a powerful message that everyone in this country needs to hear. No matter what your race or gender.


Author:  slybri19 [ October 14th, 2011, 10:05 pm ]
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Here's a video from Zo calling out black liberals:

Author:  WarEr4Christ [ October 15th, 2011, 8:14 am ]
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I wonder why more news is not being brought out to the American public that expresses some of the very statements made in that video. For example this information comes from a book that I RECOMMEND one hundred percent.

It's called Under God by Michael Tait. In this book it describes the many prominent black Americans who've advanced this nation. Harriet Tubman, George Washington Carver, and so on. It also shares with you the HISTORICAL DATA of the Democratic Party, that in the Post Civil War era, many Freed Slaves won the Republican Ticket in their predominantly black districts in the South, and began to vote, and educate, and do many things. Out of FEAR, the White Democrat former plantation owners formed marauding groups that began a series of hate tactics that hung black man, up until the 60's. It lists by year how many Black Men died or came up missing, with these terror tactics. The book is powerful in it's insights into the beauty and perseverence of the Black Culture. But it is also convicting as a member of the United States to see what happend in our history at the expense of others.

So in truth, the Democrat party was the original terrorist based upon their tactics and murder, long before 9/ll or anything like it.

Author:  slybri19 [ October 18th, 2011, 1:57 pm ]
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I should preface this by saying that the writer is a black conservative because there would be calls of racism if it was written by a white person:
Lloyd Marcus wrote:
Herman Cain: Runaway Slave

I keep having images of Herman Cain barefoot, covered in sweat and mud, wearing an old patchwork shirt and hand made burlap pants held up by a rope rather than a belt, out of breath and frantically running for his life; to freedom. Menacing sounds of barking dogs in the distance focused on Cain’s scent. Not far behind, hot on Cain’s trail, are black overseers determined to keep their fellow black slaves in check for their white liberal democrat massas.

Cain’s crime? He achieved success via traditional routes; education, hard work and character. Cain did not use or need Affirmative Action or lowered standards; a clear violation of the left’s law for acceptable minority success.

White massas Lawrence O’Donnell, Janeane Garofalo and the Democratic Party leadership have instructed their black “slave control” enforcers/overseers to “Stop Cain! NOBODY, escapes the Liberal Democrat Slave Plantation! NOBODY!!!”
So a posse of black overseers consisting of Harry Belafonte, Tavis Smiley, Morgan Freeman, Al Sharpton and other blacks who are loyal to their white liberal democrat massas are on a mission to destroy runaway slave, Herman Cain.

Why has the left launched a stop-at-all-cost political hit on Herman Cain? The answer is quite simple. Herman Cain represents truth. Truth can be devastating such as the great Oz is only a man behind a curtain pulling levers, Soylent Green is people and the greatest enemy of black Americans is the Democratic Party.

Cain was correct in saying black voters have been brainwashed by the democrats. Black overseers have kept blacks obediently and mindlessly monolithically voting democrat for years despite huge elephants in the black community’s living room; over 70% black high school dropout rate, over 70% black out of wedlock births and unprecedented black unemployment under Obama.

Black overseers and liberal white democrats do not want to see a character driven black in the Oval office who will not exploit his race to further a socialistic agenda. They do not want a black Commander in Chief whose life confirms the limitless opportunities for success available to all Americans who choose to “go for it”. The last thing in the world the left wants to see is a black president who does not think more government control is the solution to every problem. They also do not want a powerful black voice celebrating America rather than proclaiming America to be the greatest source of evil on the planet. A black leader who loves and stands up for America, individual rights and freedom petrifies the left.

Obama uses his skin color to insulated himself from criticism as he usurps authority like no other president before him. All opposition to Obama’s hostile takeovers is branded racist. Obama preaches his gospel of entitlement; everyone is a victim and everyone is entitled to the fruit of someone else’s labor. Again, anyone daring to disagree with Obama’s sermons are declared heartless and racist.

As president, Herman Cain would be the left’s worst nightmare. Cain would be historic, not as the first black president, but as the first black “leader” to occupy the Oval Office. Cain’s Justice Department would distribute equal justice to all Americans regardless of skin color; unlike the Obama Justice Department who said they would not press charges against fellow blacks.

President Cain would be a true celebration of all which has made America great; education, hard work, individuality, character, religious faith and freedom. Such wholesome virtues are deemed corny and repulsive to the left who are typically spoiled brat former hippie rich white kids.

And for this reason, black overseers and liberal white democrats must capture, hogtie and drag Cain’s black “n—– a–” back to the liberal democrat plantation where he belongs.

And yes, my personal experience bears witness that white liberals freely call us black conservative runaway slaves the “N” word.

Lloyd Marcus, Proud Unhyphenated American
Chairman of The Campaign to Defeat Barack Obama.


Author:  TheRealWags [ October 26th, 2011, 11:36 am ]
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Reason wrote:
The Left's Race-Baiting of Herman Cain
Understanding liberal hostility to the Republican presidential hopeful
Cathy Young | October 26, 2011

Let's leave aside the question of whether Herman Cain, the businessman and activist currently leading the anti-establishment contingent in the Republican primaries, is truly presidential material. Whatever his merits or electability, Cain has inevitably drawn attention as the only African-American in the field. And, as a black Republican linked to the Tea Party—a movement often accused of racial animosity toward Barack Obama—he has become a magnet for a peculiar left-wing brand of race-baiting.

One notorious display of this attitude occurred earlier this month on the MSNBC program "The Last Word," when host Lawrence O'Donnell berated Cain for his failure to participate in the civil rights protests of the 1960s as a teenager and young adult in the South.

In his just-published autobiography, Cain writes that he and his brother would reluctantly move to the back on the bus when told to do so by the driver, minding their father's admonition to "stay out of trouble." Where, O'Donnell sarcastically inquired, would blacks be now if Rosa Parks had followed such advice? When Cain reasonably replied that his father's advice was not to Rosa Parks but to his high school-age sons, O'Donnell went on to push him on his lack of activism in college.

Even many left-of-center observers, such as Mediate.com columnist Tommy Christopher, were aghast at the spectacle of a white liberal smugly chiding a black man for the personal choices he made in a very difficult time. (Those choices included breaking down professional barriers by going to graduate school and pursuing a career in computer science.) What's more, as MSNBC commentator Melissa Harris Perry noted, there is a blatant double standard at work: white politicians of Cain's generation are not grilled on what they did in the civil rights movement. Bill Clinton, often praised for his unique ability to connect with African-Americans, attended college at the same time as Cain and worked as an intern in a segregationist senator's office.

Nonetheless, some left-wing blogs have cheered O'Donnell's supposed takedown of Cain—and others have peddled even nastier fare. Chauncey de Vega, a blogger at OpenSalon.com, calls Cain a "professional racism apologist," a "race traitor," and a "human parrot" for right-wing white bigots, and even accuses Cain of using his memories of growing up black under Jim Crow to pander to racists. Cain has told the story of how he and his brother once daringly drank from the "whites only" fountain, and then "looked at each other and said, the water tastes the same! What's the big deal?" Clearly, his point is how absurd racism looks through the innocent eyes of a child. Yet de Vega manages to twist this into a defense of segregation as harmless.

Such bizarre distortions are echoed by leftist posters on other sites. In comments threads, the vileness reigns almost unchecked: Cain has been labeled a "house Negro" (or worse) and a "lawn jockey," and mocked in blatantly racist terms.

Meanwhile, Slate columnist David Weigel asks whether Cain's rise as a Tea Party favorite refutes charges that the movement is racist, and predictably answers no. For evidence, Weigel turns to Christopher Parker, a University of Washington political scientist and lead author of a 2010 study which concluded that Tea Party "true believers" tended to be more racist than other white Americans. Of course, Parker defines racism broadly enough to include the belief that "Irish, Italians, Jewish, and many other minorities overcame prejudice and worked their way up, blacks should do the same without special favors"—a sentiment that Cain both endorses and seems to validate by his own example.

Yes, some people who harbor prejudice toward a minority group may make an exception for the "good" member of that minority. Do some self-proclaimed Cain supporters see him as the exceptional "good black"? Probably so, especially since the odds of Cain actually being elected are so slim that supporting him is more a statement of emotional and cultural solidarity than an act of political support. But if such attitudes are a form of racism, then surely so is a "liberalism" that lampoons black conservatives as lackeys doing the step and shuffle for their white masters.

The truth is that, for all the progress since the civil rights era, our culture is still infected with race-based thinking. Race is also a uniquely incendiary topic in America, and therefore a perfect weapon to manipulate emotions across the political spectrum. Liberals accuse conservatives of wanting to bring back Jim Crow; conservatives liken the black community's allegiance to Democrats to plantation slavery. And yes, some on the right have engaged in racially tinged anti-Obama rhetoric (Obama-as-witch-doctor posters, anyone?). But what happens when the left faces a black opponent? Just ask Herman Cain.

Cathy Young writes a weekly column for RealClearPolitics and is also a contributing editor at Reason magazine. This article originally appeared at RealClearPolitics.

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