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Sorry Eric, but that sounds like a perspective thing.

You see Romney as being self focused or one world (his) but everyone around him talks about his generosity above and beyond the call of what might be considered normal. As for his business dealings, it goes as I said, you move in to take on a failing company and you trim dead weight, in order to promote growth. It's worked and worked well. But again that sounds like a perspective thing, you'll see it your way and I'll see it mine. But one thing I really want to see is PROOF that Barack or Barry is a legitimate American Citizen. His college transcripts, and birth certificate are under EXTREME lock and key in order to protect them from prying eyes. IF they prove that he is not an American Citizen due to his birth location, and foreign exchange student status, then he is NOT A LEGITIMATE candidate for Presidency and has been fraudulent from the start. If this is a NON-ISSUE then show the documents, like Liberals keep requesting of Romney and his taxes.

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Conspiracy Warning: I just received this email from a family member and wondered what people thought, or know about it. I alluded to governmental agencies purchasing 1 million rounds of ammunition earlier, per a reporter friend of mine from Kansas, so is there any truth to this or is is a "scare" tactic?

It’s been a long time coming but it has finally happened. Obama’s secret agenda has just been exposed! The Tea Party has been investigating the Obama regime for some time. Only now have we been able to piece together Obama’s sinister plan to break down our freedom and conquer the American people.

His plan includes sinister and menacing forces:


Progressive liberals to march

Armed government departments authorized to kill

Union bosses to rule

New Black Panthers to riot

Reorganized Acorn groups to administrate

New department armies

Control of the food supply


A secret plan went into action right under our noses a few months ago—the very plan the Blame Stream Media deliberately hid from the American people.

Had the media morons brought any attention to this one Executive Order, America would be up in arms today. But instead, the American people were deceived by the socialist media at the control of the Obama machine.

Here is the inside scoop. If you don’t believe what we are saying then look up Executive Order 13603 yourself. I assure you this one thing: you will be shocked and frightened beyond anything you have ever known.

On March 16, 2012 Obama (America’s Fraud President) wrote and signed Executive Order 13603 naming it: “National Defense Resources Preparedness,” and while a few conservative media outlets wrote a handful of stories about this outrageous Executive Order, the interest died out.

However, the Tea Party has been examining the Obama records from day one. Why? Because it has been proven time after time Obama is a liar and cheat. This is why he has earned the name “America’s Fraud President.” He has lied to the American people about his college transcripts, his law license, his birth certificate and his master piece ObamaCare and ObamaTax. Lied at every turn.


Now we have discovered another piece to the puzzle regarding what Obama is planning




Well here it is: When Obama is defeated on the night of November 6, 2012 he will remain president until Romney is sworn in on January 20, 2013, thereby giving Obama over 70 days to do anything he can to finish his socialist agenda and possibly hurl America into such a deep, dark abyss that we may never recover!

Here’s the frightening part:

Obama could grab America before the end of the elections!

How do we know this? Read the analysis yourself.


Obama plans to seize control of our economy within the next 4 months!
Obama has signaled to the world he is going to sledgehammer his socialist agenda into America come hell or high water!

He has already demonstrated he will write any executive order, take any action and lie any way he can to complete his master agenda: the total and complete conversion of our Free-Enterprise Republic into a government-controlled socialist regime.

Obama, with great glee, signed on March 16, 2012, his Executive Order 13603 redefining and creating new policy about America’s National Defense.

Obama’s Executive order 13603 is “National Defense Resources Preparedness.”

In black and white, Obama laid out his blueprint for taking over America and our economy by seizing control of:


“All forms of civil transportation”—forced labor. In other words, “induction” as the executive order delicately refers to military conscription

“All commodities and products capable of being ingested by either human beings or animals”

“Health resources, which include, but are not limited to: drugs, biological products, medical devices, materials, facilities, health supplies, services and equipment”

“All forms of energy”

“All usable water from all sources”


Scary yes—but it doesn’t stop there.

Get this: federal officials would “issue regulations to prioritize and allocate resources.”Maybe this is why so many government departments are buying millions of rounds of ammunition.

Obama also has stated in his executive order that every government bureaucracy “shall act as necessary and appropriate.”

Does this include genocide?

Will every government bureaucracy have to right to kill Americans? Obama’s executive order has NOT placed any restrictions on how, by what means or any limits on the government bureaucracy power.

Here is a short list of the government bureaucracies Obama has given the power to form their own armies, arm them with limitless weapons and given licenses to shoot and kill.

Some government agencies Obama has given the power to kill to:


Administration for Children and Families (ACF)

Administration on Aging (AoA)

African Development Foundation

Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality (AHRQ)

Agency for International Development (USAID)

Agriculture Department

Air Force

Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau (Treasury)

Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives Bureau (Justice)

American Battle Monuments Commission

Science Office (Energy Department)

Scientific and Technical Information, Office of

Secret Service

Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC)

Selective Service System (SSS)

Senate

Senate Committees

Senate Leadership

Senators on the Web

Small Business Administration (SBA)


That’s just to name a few!

Are you starting to get the picture?

Do you think Obama would have issued this type of executive order if he thought he would be replaced by Romney or some other non-donkey party candidate? What does Obama know that we don’t?

Now do you understand why Obama and his minions must be defeated this coming November–and Congress must immediately act to impeach him so he cannot call up any emergency in his remaining 70 days in office?

The Tea Party is comprised of all races, religions, all walks of life, retired, unemployed and over-employed, a true cross-cut of America and we are tens of millions strong. With our Tea Party power we must use our political muscles. We MUST deliver the KNOCKOUT BLOW to Obama.

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Getting this ILLEGAL PRESIDENT OUT OF OFFICE SHOULD BE THE ONLY FOCUS OF ANY CONSERVATIVE.
Care to explain this part? :confused: :-k

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Wags:

This boils back down to Citizenship of this country. If he was born out of Country and is not an American Citizen, he is in violation of the U.S. Constitution Eligibility for President. BECAUSE they are keeping these records under EXTREME lock and key, it leads people to believe that he is NOT a U.S. Citizen.

Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution sets the principal qualifications one must meet to be eligible to the office of president. A president must:

be a natural-born citizen of the United States;[note 1]
be at least thirty-five years old;
have been a permanent resident in the United States for at least fourteen years.


That's why I'm asking about his status.

As for the other item I posted, I looked it up but the writing doesn't seem the same, and Snopes doesn't have a listing. I believe it's a fear tactic, but wasn't sure.

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WarEr4Christ wrote:
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This boils back down to Citizenship of this country. If he was born out of Country and is not an American Citizen, he is in violation of the U.S. Constitution Eligibility for President. BECAUSE they are keeping these records under EXTREME lock and key, it leads people to believe that he is NOT a U.S. Citizen.

Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution sets the principal qualifications one must meet to be eligible to the office of president. A president must:

be a natural-born citizen of the United States;[note 1]
be at least thirty-five years old;
have been a permanent resident in the United States for at least fourteen years.


That's why I'm asking about his status.

As for the other item I posted, I looked it up but the writing doesn't seem the same, and Snopes doesn't have a listing. I believe it's a fear tactic, but wasn't sure.


It is a fear tactic. If you get news like that in an email, don't put any faith in it.

As for his citizenship, regardless of what you believe you know, because it's all under lock and key, there is no proof. Innocent until proven guilty. Calling him illegal just sounds off the hook. There's plenty of reasons to vote against him, the citizenship issue just makes people sound crazy, even if it were true.


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TheRealWags wrote:
WarEr4Christ wrote:
Getting this ILLEGAL PRESIDENT OUT OF OFFICE SHOULD BE THE ONLY FOCUS OF ANY CONSERVATIVE.
Care to explain this part? :confused: :-k


There's no good explanation for birthers, except like Mr. Pickles would say .... "embarassing"...


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Sound point on the ILLEGAL comment, it does illustrate my disdain for this man, and his policies, and "platform."

The evidence needs to be produced, but doubt it will happen, somebody is paying A LOT of money to keep that hidden I'm sure.

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WarEr4Christ wrote:
Sound point on the ILLEGAL comment, it does illustrate my disdain for this man, and his policies, and "platform."

The evidence needs to be produced, but doubt it will happen, somebody is paying A LOT of money to keep that hidden I'm sure.


It already has been produced, and recognized by anyone considered reasonable. From YOU, of all people... a person who believes fantastic things that not only have no proof at all - but can't hardly pass a "laugh test' from objective observers... the insistence upon proof of just about anything is aburd, let alone asking a US state to somehow "re-prove" a published legal birth certificate and corresponding newspaper announcement(s) from 50 years ago of a US citizen giving birth to a son.

Get a friggin grip on consistency, please.


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As for his citizenship, regardless of what you believe you know, because it's all under lock and key, there is no proof. Innocent until proven guilty. Calling him illegal just sounds off the hook. There's plenty of reasons to vote against him, the citizenship issue just makes people sound crazy, even if it were true.
Wasn't his mother a US Citizen? If so, then isn't all this 'birther' stuff moot?

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njroar wrote:
As for his citizenship, regardless of what you believe you know, because it's all under lock and key, there is no proof. Innocent until proven guilty. Calling him illegal just sounds off the hook. There's plenty of reasons to vote against him, the citizenship issue just makes people sound crazy, even if it were true.
Wasn't his mother a US Citizen? If so, then isn't all this 'birther' stuff moot?


No. Citizenship doesn't extend through parents. Even John McCain was born outside the U.S., but because it was an Airbase it's a U.S. territory. And if you go by the letter of the law, naturalized citizen means both parents were citizens. It just isn't recognized that way equally in all states. That's one of the reasons even the certificate of live birth didn't appease many.

Conspiracies come from either a lack of info or misleading info. I actually oversaw a report done on this very topic in my 3rd semester at school. I'll lay out some of the reasons this still pops up from time to time. There are some legitimate questions out there.

1 - The Certificate of Live Birth that the White house released (note WH released it, not the hospital like IE and many claim. They haven't released anything ever. ) is a layered document. It was claimed that the layering was done by the scanner software, but anyone that's tried to scan a document in order to save time transcribing it knows it doesn't separate the elements that perfectly. I wish they did. We had a very liberal graphic arts professor examine it and come to the same conclusion. He even went so far and said with those elements he could recreate the document himself. The elements in question... Signatures, dates, sequence numbers on the certificate and the stamps to show verification and dates of stamps. The date stamps don't match with the date stamps used by the hospital during that time.

2 - His social security number traces back to CT. SS is pretty good at keeping numbers to a local location, but mistakes can happen. The coincidence is that Obama's grandmother worked in the office that assigned the numbers at the time. She had access to numbers of people that just passed away. Not substantial, but again it opens questions for those skeptical.

3 - His college records, specifically Columbia. It's no secret that he lived and attended school in Indonesia. Two issues arose on the Columbia front. One, no one from the classes during the time he was supposedly there, remember him. He's had people remember him as far back as a child, at Harvard, but no one from Columbia at all. If a poll of 400+ students comes back with 0, it sets off a flag. Even past Columbia students seem to believe that his records would show he attended as an exchange student, which would explain why he was in a separate area of Columbia. To qualify as an exchange student would mean he didn't have have citizenship here. Indonesia doesn't allow dual citizenship.

There are more, but I just wanted to point out some of the biggest questions. I've never beat the drum for any of this, but I did find it fascinating. Anyone in journalism wants to find answers to questions and there's still some big questions. The way the main stream media dropped this as soon as Hillary was out of the race in 08 also raised a flag. Democrats always want to blame the tea party and call the "birthers" racist, but if you look at the above, there's no race involved. Hillary Clinton's campaign was the one that brought it up originally. They questioned it. The media started asking the questions and then suddenly shut up and then shifted blame on the republicans when Hillary dropped out, even though McCain and Palin never brought it up.

Obama could easily have dismissed every question when Hillary first brought it up by allowing the Hospital to show the original microfilm. He could have released his transcripts from college. Paying millions in legal fees to keep it locked up has just allowed for speculation to keep going. It's smart in a way, because he can always pull the race card because some can't let go of unanswered questions.


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njroar wrote:
TheRealWags wrote:
njroar wrote:
As for his citizenship, regardless of what you believe you know, because it's all under lock and key, there is no proof. Innocent until proven guilty. Calling him illegal just sounds off the hook. There's plenty of reasons to vote against him, the citizenship issue just makes people sound crazy, even if it were true.
Wasn't his mother a US Citizen? If so, then isn't all this 'birther' stuff moot?


No. Citizenship doesn't extend through parents. Even John McCain was born outside the U.S., but because it was an Airbase it's a U.S. territory. And if you go by the letter of the law, naturalized citizen means both parents were citizens. It just isn't recognized that way equally in all states. That's one of the reasons even the certificate of live birth didn't appease many.
Hmm, interesting line of thinking; title 8 of the US Code to contradict that though:
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Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

Anyone born inside the United States *
Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
* There is an exception in the law — the person must be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.

Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html

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And yet, these questions could be quickly put to rest, and put egg on the face of myself and anyone else who believes our deceiver/teleprompter in chief is a liar (track record proves the point by the way) may not have actually been a legitimate candidate for President. He's been protected all of his life by powerful people, and if this were truly exposed and proven that "birthers" are correct that could be VERY bad.

So if Liberals want to see tax records beyond the 2 year requirement, I want to see college and birth records.

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njroar wrote:
TheRealWags wrote:
njroar wrote:
As for his citizenship, regardless of what you believe you know, because it's all under lock and key, there is no proof. Innocent until proven guilty. Calling him illegal just sounds off the hook. There's plenty of reasons to vote against him, the citizenship issue just makes people sound crazy, even if it were true.
Wasn't his mother a US Citizen? If so, then isn't all this 'birther' stuff moot?


No. Citizenship doesn't extend through parents. Even John McCain was born outside the U.S., but because it was an Airbase it's a U.S. territory. And if you go by the letter of the law, naturalized citizen means both parents were citizens. It just isn't recognized that way equally in all states. That's one of the reasons even the certificate of live birth didn't appease many.
Hmm, interesting line of thinking; title 8 of the US Code to contradict that though:
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Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

Anyone born inside the United States *
Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
* There is an exception in the law — the person must be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.

Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html


That's where the further debate comes in. His father wasn't a national, so cross that one off. His mother's is questioned because she lived awhile outside the country and came back when Obama was born. The 5 years kicks in at 16? And she hadn't been back in the States that long BUT that residency requirement only applies if the child is born outside the country. And that's where it rotates back to the main issue. The excuse people use is the newspaper clipping. Parent's put news in the paper regardless if the child is born there. I know I had family put a birth announcement in our paper for cousins born in the Netherlands. The newspaper isn't a legal document.

I believe he was born here, and many "birthers" do too actually. The next debate is natural-born vs native-born. While Title 8 says the list is all eligible, there is still legal debate and precedent that says otherwise. So you have other school of thought that believe he's ineligible even if he's a citizen.

I just wanted to point out that it isn't as easy as saying "false." There really is some substance behind some of the questions, and then there is some crazy thrown in by some that is then used to label the entire thing. Like i said... it's interesting. I laugh at both sides sometimes. The ones that refuse to admit there's questions and we should take everything said as gospel, and those that say the questions prove it's true. Like most things, I believe the truth lies somewhere in the middle. There's definitely something he doesn't want out there otherwise it wouldn't be locked away.


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tax records beyond the 2 year requirement, I want to see college and birth records.
Your hyperbole & rhetoric aside, AFAIK there is no actual requirement for a Presidential candidate to release any records to the public. IMO there SHOULD be, after all they are applying & interviewing for a job. That said, one would think there would be a Govt committee tasked with ensuring all candidates pass certain criteria (and that the information would be made public), then again considering as the DNC & RNC are private organizations, maybe not ](*,)

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