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Obamacare is here to stay.
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BillySims
General Manager - Martin Mayhew
Joined: May 7th, 2005, 3:25 pm Posts: 6506 Location: Earth/Sagittarius Dwarf Galaxy
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 Obamacare is here to stay.
The Republicans needed to gain control of the Senate and White House, while maintaining control of the House in order to launch a successful repeal of Obamacare. 2 of the 3 things did not happen. So, Obamacare is here to stay. They simply don't have the horses to repeal it. And the Supreme Court has already BSed their way out of declaring it unconstitutional.
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| November 9th, 2012, 9:54 pm |
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frok
Varsity Benchwarmer
Joined: August 9th, 2004, 1:51 am Posts: 203 Location: kalamazoo,mi
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 Re: Obamacare is here to stay.
Well I certainly hope it does something for my family. BCBS of MI. is really pissing me off. They just decided that the medications my son is on are not for his condition. Even though Mayo Clinic docs say this is our best course of action for my sons condition. Since going to Mayo 2 years ago my son has never been healthier, lung damage has slowed to a min. and now BCBS says the meds they have been covering for 2 years they will no longer cover. Waiting for them not to cover our 3 times a year visit to Mayo. My wife asked me what does BCBS want our son to do, all I could come up with they want him to die so they can save a few bucks. Been giving this company 800/month for 20years, now whne we need the coverage they say NOPE thats not what that medication is for. What a bunch of Bull poop, the medication is working. Last time they stopped covering one of his meds he ended up hospitalized for 4 days with pneumonia. Mayo docs called the insurance company and some how (med cheaper than hospital stays) they started covering that med again. Looks like We've got a fight on our hand with the big insurance company. End rant, Frok
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| April 12th, 2013, 9:07 pm |
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lionsfanak
5th Round Pick - Traded
Joined: November 15th, 2004, 7:24 am Posts: 1054 Location: Alaska
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 Re: Obamacare is here to stay.
For those who want it and think its great, look at Europe and Canada and their socialized medicine issues. Oh, then look at how much it's going to cost starting year 2. For a family of 4 making $120,000 annually, the bronze plan (cheapest, worst plan available) is supposed to hit them for $23,000 a year. That, according to the IRS. That's double my rate for preferred BCBS.
Shortsightedness never got anyone anywhere.
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| April 13th, 2013, 2:26 am |
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wjb21ndtown
Commissioner of the NFL – Roger Goodell
Joined: October 13th, 2005, 9:26 pm Posts: 11891 Location: Grosse Pointe
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 Re: Obamacare is here to stay.
lionsfanak wrote: For those who want it and think its great, look at Europe and Canada and their socialized medicine issues. Oh, then look at how much it's going to cost starting year 2. For a family of 4 making $120,000 annually, the bronze plan (cheapest, worst plan available) is supposed to hit them for $23,000 a year. That, according to the IRS. That's double my rate for preferred BCBS.
Shortsightedness never got anyone anywhere. I agree... This is a BS health care plan, that isn't working, and it's making things worse... Most people that could look at it with any sense of reality saw this coming a year ago.
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| April 13th, 2013, 7:56 am |
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WarEr4Christ
Player of the Year - Defense
Joined: October 26th, 2005, 11:48 pm Posts: 2760 Location: Elkhart, In.
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 Re: Obamacare is here to stay.
Sadly, I'm often amazed, although I shouldn't be, at how we as a society continue to miss seeing the forest, because the trees are in the way.
This is about CONTROL.
At present the government has an iron grip on a particular segment of society, I'll let you be the judge of who fits in this segment.
Welfare: covered Foodstamps: covered Wic: covered Utility Checks for housing: covered Cell phones with 250 minutes: covered Government subsidized housing: covered Medicaid: covered
As long as the government maintains control over all of these systems, they can control how you live, and the choices that you make. Failure to comply with their directives is an IMMEDIATE withdrawl from their system. IF you've grown accustom to survival depending upon Uncle Sam, and IF it goes on long enough, you no longer no how to survive on your own. So it is easier to do what is expected, and tolerate what is given, than it is to go against the system.
Let's take a look at the Reservations as a DIRECT EXAMPLE of government provision.
Anyone care to guess what the unemployment rate is on the reservations? Anyone care to guess what the child abuse rate is? Anyone care to guess what the substance abuse rate is? Crime, rape, and so on?
What I'm saying is that Obamacare has been purposefully designed to implode the system, so that destruction does happen, leading to a mass dependency upon government to fix the problems. Who becomes the savior if a broken government can't do it? Why a Global Village that has all the world's economies working together in one accord, being a bunch of shiny happy people right? Come on now, it takes a village folks! Get with the program, INDIVIDUALISM is STRONGLY DISCOURAGED, and will be "outlawed", while the COLLECTIVE is celebrated, and expected.
If this isn't the matrix, y'all haven't been paying attention.....
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| April 14th, 2013, 2:30 pm |
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The Legend
Player of the Year - Offense
Joined: February 11th, 2005, 3:01 pm Posts: 2979 Location: WSU
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 Re: Obamacare is here to stay.
frok wrote: Well I certainly hope it does something for my family. BCBS of MI. is really pissing me off. They just decided that the medications my son is on are not for his condition. Even though Mayo Clinic docs say this is our best course of action for my sons condition. Since going to Mayo 2 years ago my son has never been healthier, lung damage has slowed to a min. and now BCBS says the meds they have been covering for 2 years they will no longer cover. Waiting for them not to cover our 3 times a year visit to Mayo. My wife asked me what does BCBS want our son to do, all I could come up with they want him to die so they can save a few bucks. Been giving this company 800/month for 20years, now whne we need the coverage they say NOPE thats not what that medication is for. What a bunch of Bull poop, the medication is working. Last time they stopped covering one of his meds he ended up hospitalized for 4 days with pneumonia. Mayo docs called the insurance company and some how (med cheaper than hospital stays) they started covering that med again. Looks like We've got a fight on our hand with the big insurance company. End rant, Frok cystic fibrosis?
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| April 20th, 2013, 6:58 am |
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regularjoe12
QB Coach
Joined: March 30th, 2006, 12:48 am Posts: 3245 Location: Davison Mi
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 Re: Obamacare is here to stay.
frok wrote: Well I certainly hope it does something for my family. BCBS of MI. is really pissing me off. They just decided that the medications my son is on are not for his condition. Even though Mayo Clinic docs say this is our best course of action for my sons condition. Since going to Mayo 2 years ago my son has never been healthier, lung damage has slowed to a min. and now BCBS says the meds they have been covering for 2 years they will no longer cover. Waiting for them not to cover our 3 times a year visit to Mayo. My wife asked me what does BCBS want our son to do, all I could come up with they want him to die so they can save a few bucks. Been giving this company 800/month for 20years, now whne we need the coverage they say NOPE thats not what that medication is for. What a bunch of Bull poop, the medication is working. Last time they stopped covering one of his meds he ended up hospitalized for 4 days with pneumonia. Mayo docs called the insurance company and some how (med cheaper than hospital stays) they started covering that med again. Looks like We've got a fight on our hand with the big insurance company. End rant, Frok I'm with you Frok, it disgusts me that an insurance company can overrule a specialized doctor with intamate knowledge of the patient. To me THAT should be illegal.
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| April 20th, 2013, 8:51 am |
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frok
Varsity Benchwarmer
Joined: August 9th, 2004, 1:51 am Posts: 203 Location: kalamazoo,mi
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 Re: Obamacare is here to stay.
The Legend wrote: frok wrote: Well I certainly hope it does something for my family. BCBS of MI. is really pissing me off. They just decided that the medications my son is on are not for his condition. Even though Mayo Clinic docs say this is our best course of action for my sons condition. Since going to Mayo 2 years ago my son has never been healthier, lung damage has slowed to a min. and now BCBS says the meds they have been covering for 2 years they will no longer cover. Waiting for them not to cover our 3 times a year visit to Mayo. My wife asked me what does BCBS want our son to do, all I could come up with they want him to die so they can save a few bucks. Been giving this company 800/month for 20years, now whne we need the coverage they say NOPE thats not what that medication is for. What a bunch of Bull poop, the medication is working. Last time they stopped covering one of his meds he ended up hospitalized for 4 days with pneumonia. Mayo docs called the insurance company and some how (med cheaper than hospital stays) they started covering that med again. Looks like We've got a fight on our hand with the big insurance company. End rant, Frok cystic fibrosis? No, not CF. He has what is called Primary Ciliary Dyskinesia. The cilia in his body do not move mucus like in our bodies. So basically mucus in his lungs does not move up high enough to cough out like most people. He has a daily routine of meds to thin mucus in his body and uses a compression vest to break it away from the inside of his lungs. A lot of his meds are for CF but thats not what he has so now insurance company says the meds are not approved.
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| April 20th, 2013, 6:14 pm |
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lionsfanak
5th Round Pick - Traded
Joined: November 15th, 2004, 7:24 am Posts: 1054 Location: Alaska
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Hopefully this thing will tax itself out of existence.
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| April 20th, 2013, 6:23 pm |
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