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Here's more, but don't say that I didn't warn you:

Money Morning wrote:
The Hidden Obamacare Taxes That
Will Crush The Middle Class
By Money Morning Staff Reports
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Get ready to be blindsided by a barrage of new taxes. $1 trillion worth...

They'll be coming courtesy of the Affordable Care Act, otherwise known as Obamacare.

And they won't just be affecting those who make over $250,000. The bulk of these taxes will be passed on directly to the middle class.

That's because while a majority of these "stealth taxes" were designed to be taxes on businesses, they're actually transferred directly to ordinary citizens.

They include the investment income surtax, a Medicare payroll tax, even a "tanning tax" on those who utilize indoor tanning services.

"Many of those [hidden] taxes, especially those on hospitals, insurers and medical device manufacturers, will ultimately be passed on through higher health costs," said Michael Tanner an expert on the healthcare law.

In fact, analysts estimate Obamacare will cost the average taxpayer nearly $6,000 in extra taxes as early as next year.

Obamacare Tax Hikes Stoke Outrage

Many of the Obamacare taxes are already in effect, others will hit January 1. But they are already infuriating millions of Americans.

While even Obamacare detractors applaud the requirement that insurance companies cover pre-existing conditions and put a stop to lifetime caps on benefits, they say these laudable benefits don't compensate for the bills high cost - especially in new taxes.

According to most experts, Obamacare will create a total of twenty new taxes or tax hikes on the American people.

In fact, the Obama administration has already given the IRS an extra $500 million to enforce the rules and regulations of Obamacare.

The new taxes don't bode well for millions of middle-class Americans. Incomes for the rich have soared this decade but middle class workers have seen their wages stagnate and even drop since the 2008 Great Recession.

Many fear Obamacare with its high insurance costs and new taxes, could provide the middle class a fatal blow.

The 20 new Obamacare taxes are making Americans eyes pop out in disbelief. Take a look.

Of course, the Obamacare plan was primarily designed to decrease the number of uninsured Americans and reduce healthcare costs.

Many experts are saying it will have the exact opposite effect.

That's just one of the reasons why Republicans hope to defund Obamacare before January.

They claim that the taxes and costs needed to pay for Obamacare will crush the middle class and most U.S. taxpayers, as well as trigger job losses in affected industries.

Tax experts say you should try to estimate how much you will have to pay when the law goes into full effect - and take precautions to limit the damage to your bottom line.

What the Experts Say: How to avoid getting your financial neck broken by Obamacare... Watch this video.

One expert, Dr. Betsy McCaughey, a constitutional scholar with a Ph.D. from Columbia University, recently wrote a best-seller showing Americans how they can not only survive Obamacare, but prosper through it.

McCaughey claims to be one of the only people in the country - including members of Congress - who has actually read the entire 2,572 page law.

Her book, titled Beating Obamacare: Your Handbook for Surviving The New Health Care Law, breaks the huge bill down into 168 pages of actionable advice.

The book, written in an easy going, easy to read style, shows some startling facts about Obamacare not seen in the mainstream press.

For example, she points to a little known passage in the bill that shows how you could get slapped with a $2,000 fine for not having health insurance - even if you do actually have it.

She also goes into detail explaining how a third of all U.S. employers could stop offering health insurance to their workers.

In one chapter, she shows how ordinary Americans will get stuck paying for substance abuse coverage - even if they never touched a drink or drug in their life.

According to McCaughey's research, senior citizens will get hit the hardest.

Hip and knee replacements and cataract surgery will be especially hard to get from Medicare in the months ahead thanks to Obamacare, according to McCaughey.

She warns seniors to get those types of procedures done now before Obamacare goes into effect January 1.


Are the readers of this board so stupid that I need to continue? Tonight will be the 11th day in a row that I work. My company refuses to hire new workers due to Obamacare, so they force their current employees to work up to 12 hours per day, 7 days per week. My bank account is growing substantially, but I have no life. Thanks, Obama.

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November 14th, 2013, 5:39 pm
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I stumbled across an interersting statistic yesterday...

More people have signed a petition to have the government build an actual Death Star, than have signed up for Obamacare so far.


Don't know if it's true, but it's DAMN FUNNY!

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November 14th, 2013, 5:47 pm
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If you don't believe me, listen to Obama in his own words:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUfjUDbUyng&feature=youtu.be

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Regularjoe12, I saw the Death Star petition months ago and laughed. I have no idea how many signatures it had back then or now, but here's the scary thing - Those people VOTE!

For those couch potatoes out there who think that their vote doesn't matter, guess again. For every tax paying citizen in this country, there are an equal number of moochers who live off the entitlement society that the Democrats have created. You can continue to sit on your @ss or do something about it. Your choice.

This reminds me of the poem, "First they Came". Rather than quote it directly to you, I'd encourage you to search for it on the internet. While you're there, you could also find a variety of options that don't conform to the edits of the lamestream media or educational establishment. It might enlighten your eyes.

To be clear, my previous two paragraphs are not directed toward regular joe. They're directed toward the independents/moderates who are allowing this country to slip into socialism due to indifference. WAKE THE F U C K UP!

Do you think Mayor Bloomberg's ban against soda's larger than 16 ounces will be restricted to New York City? How about California allowing transgenders to determine which public school bathroom they enter? Do you want your teenage daughter to share a locker room with a dude that thinks or claims that he's a girl? I don't. This is the Democratic platform, despite the fact that most won't speak openly about it.

Furthermore, many Democratically elected school boards have banned the Pledge of Allegiance. My thought is if you don't like the Pledge, get the F out of the country. Yet, they keep getting elected again and again by the entitlement class. Wake up. America, or YOUR country will be done.

Who is John Galt?

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November 14th, 2013, 6:39 pm
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I'm gonna be the energizer bunny on this. Here's more from a conservative site:
Weekly Standard wrote:

'Fairy Tale' Continues as Obama Proposes Extralegal Obamacare Fix
12:12 PM, Nov 14, 2013 • By DANIEL HALPER

Earlier this week, former President Bill Clinton advised President Obama to "honor the commitment" he made and to allow Americans to keep their health care plans, if they like them. That was a central promise Obama made when he sold Obamacare, but one that turned out not to be true when Obamacare began to be implemented last month.

"So I personally believe, even if it takes a change to the law, the president should honor the commitment the federal government made to those people and let them keep what they got," Clinton in an interview released Tuesday.

Now President Obama is taking Clinton's advice and trying to honor that commitment. In remarks today at the White House today, Obama said, "I completely get how upsetting this can be" lose insurance plans that I promised Americans would be able to keep. "To those Americans, I hear you loud and clear."

But there's a catch with president's proposed solution. The president is not proposing that the law be changed to allow all health insurance plans grandfathered into Obamacare's eligibility requirements.

No, instead the White House is saying that it will use "enforcement discretion" to allow illegal health insurance plans to be able to still be sold. That is, the Obama administration will not enforce the penalty on individuals for not having eligible health insurance plans and they'll allow the insurance companies to still sell so-called bad plans -- plans they technically can't sell under Obamacare".

"Under the White House’s approach, the Department of Health and Human Services will notify the nation’s state insurance commissioners that they have federal permission to allow consumers who already have such insurance policies to keep them through 2014," reports the Washington Post.

He'll also be forcing insurance companies to help advertise for Obamacare by letting customers know that there's an Obamacare marketplace where they can purchase (or get subsidized) health care coverage.

Obama's proposal is an extra-legal solution to a big problem for millions of Americans around the country.

"I don't see within the law how they can do this administratively," said Speaker John Boehner in a press conference on Capitol Hill. "No one can identify anything the president could do administratively to keep his pledge that would be both legal and effective."

The proposed White House fix so that Obama can honor his commitment is also likely to create more problems and to further distrust the American people have for this administration, which makes law based on what it chooses to enforce while sidestepping the constitutional process that is in place.

Indeed, there's another problem. As Texas senator Ted Cruz says, the president cannot fix an unfixable law. "We cannot 'fix' Obamacare. The damage has been done, as millions of Americans have already been made to pay higher premiums and lose their jobs, wages, and health care plans," Cruz said today.

President Clinton famously dismissed Obama's candidacy for president of the United States by saying, "Give me a break. This whole thing is the biggest fairy tale I have ever seen."

With Obama's reliance on "enforcement discretion," it would now seem that Clinton had a point -- and that the "fairy tale" continues.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/fairy-tale-continues-obama-proposes-extralegal-obamacare-fix_767089.html

Once again, where is Wags or any other libtard. Bring it on. I'm ready. :D

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Here's Howard Dean, the once head of the DNC, questioning whether Obama has the authority to do this:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/howard-dean-i-wonder-if-obama-has-legal-authority-do_767096.html

Libtards like Wags may question me when I use sources from a right wing perspective, but.....

criticizing the former head of the Democratic National Committee might be too much for him and others to take.

Face it, Obamacare is a disaster and even Democrats are running away from it now.

Hey, Wags. Come out, come out, wherever you are. :D

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Since many of you probably only read, listen to, or watch the lamerstream media, you probably didn't hear what Obama said about insurance companies over the past two weeks. He has repeatedly called them bad apples who sell junk policies. Here's more:

American Thinker wrote:
Obama announces he will allow subpar or junk policies to be sold by bad apple insurance companies
Thomas LifsonPresident Obama's press conference on Obamacare "fixes" today started more than half an hour after its announced time, a good indicator of last minute panic over wording. That's because appearances, not substance, are the essence of this "plan."

For one thing, state insurance commissioners must approve any new plans. In California, health insurers have been required to sign contracts promising to end old policies, and the federal government lacks the authority to change lawful contracts. The idea that 50 state insurance commissions could and would quickly approve new plans yet to be created by insurance companies is ludicrous.

As Richard Baehr put it:

Since policies on exchanges assumed (at least in insurance company minds) that their policyholders would shift, they now have to re-price both the old policies which they had abandoned and the new ones. In the time frame involved -- by December 15 -- this is IMPOSSIBLE!

This fix is designed to fix nothing, but just look like a fix. Insurance companies can decide to stick with their cancellations and they become the bad guys. In essence, this is design of the fix: shift blame. If the insurance companies decide to reoffer old policies, which could be very costly at this point, insurance commissioners in Democratic states, who understand the impact of fewer enrollees on the exchanges, can override the administration fix, and force people to move to exchanges.

My guess is few if any insurance companies will reoffer old policies. I like the Landrieu bill better than Upton, since it is mandatory, and effectively guarantees first year failure of Obamacare. Of course it is financially harmful to insurance companies, but they at least are not bad guys for refusing Obama's fix. The people in the White House are not real brainy, if this is the best they can do.

Ed Lasky adds:

They are tying themselves into knots. Why can't uninsured people get the presumably better deals being offered by private insurance companies to old customers?

The mess is only getting messier. Maybe Obama can persuade the low information crowd that it will all be the fault of the insurance companies, but according the recent Quinnipiac poll, at least half the country believes he is a liar on health insurance.

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November 14th, 2013, 7:17 pm
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Do I really need to go on or do you guys finally get the point? The government is incompetent and turns everything it touches into sh1t!

In the meantime, I'm gonna catch a few Z's before I head back to work. Afterwards, I'll transfer my next paycheck to an offshore account, but that's a different story for another day.

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Go Michigan!

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Michigan lets insurers reinstate canceled health plans

Michigan will allow health insurers to reinstate policies canceled for not meeting standards under the Affordable Care Act for an additional year, the state’s top insurance official said Friday.

The state is agreeing to the fix proposed by President Barack Obama last week in an attempt to ease the frustration of millions of Americans who received insurance cancellations despite his campaign pledge they could keep their health plan if they liked it.

An estimated 225,000 people in Michigan who bought insurance on the individual market recently received notice their policies would no longer be offered in 2014 because they don’t meet the minimum standards of coverage — including maternity, prescription, hospitalization and mental health care — required by the president’s signature health law. Consumers have had difficultly signing up for new insurance because the health care exchange website has been riddled with technical problems since its Oct. 1 launch.

The state will agree to Obama’s proposal, in part, because Michigan consumers have had difficulty purchasing new plans with the deadline of Dec. 15 looming for enrollment for the New Year, said Ann Flood, director of the Michigan Department of Insurance and Financial Services.

“The announcement of the federal policy change this close to January 1 came as a surprise,” Flood said in a statement. “We considered the difficulties that this change will create for insurers, but the decision came down to the fact that consumers in Michigan deserve to have options, particularly given the difficulty they’ve had accessing the federal marketplace.”

The announcement doesn’t mandate insurers to resurrect canceled policies, and it was not immediately clear which insurers would choose to do so. But an industry group representing most health insurers in the state welcomed the state’s decision.

“Each company will make its own decision on how best to proceed to benefit their customers and the company’s finances,” said Rick Murdock, executive director of the Michigan Association of Health Plans, in a statement. “This is useful flexibility given the difficulties some are having signing up on the online exchange; and the desire of some company customers to continue with their previous policies until a transition can be in place.”

Gov. Rick Snyder also supports Flood’s decision. Unlike many other Republican governors, Snyder backed the expansion of Medicaid coverage of low-income individuals in Michigan — a key part of the Affordable Care Act’s goal of reducing the uninsured.

“Unfortunately Michiganders have seen their health insurance plans canceled under the Affordable Care Act after they were promised they wouldn’t lose them,” Snyder said in a statement. “Now, this policy change opens the door for those canceled policies to be continued. In Michigan, we want to be sure that consumers have the best options available.”

Under the administrative changes an apologetic Obama announced a week ago Thursday, the federal government will not enforce certain health care provisions in 2014 that called for new plans to meet certain standards. Several other states have agreed to sign on to the change, including Ohio and Florida, while others have declined to back Obama’s proposal, including Rhode Island and Vermont.

Insurers that decide to re-enroll customers in canceled plans must send them information about the health care reforms, their rights to enroll in compliant plans on the federal marketplace and potential for federal subsidies to reduce premiums.

Insurers wanting to increase their rates must receive approval from the state of Michigan.

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2013 ... z2lP1yhnbu

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I'm glad to see that someone else has responded to this thread since my multi-post tirade from a week and a half ago. Unfortunately (even though I'm glad that Pablo contributed a factual post that adds to the conversation), it wasn't from that pro-Obamacare, lying piece of feces, Wags.

Come out, come out, wherever you are, Wags. :D

Perhaps, you have seen the light and finally realize that Obamacare is a mixture of Fascism, Fabianism, and the Cloward-Piven strategy all rolled into one. For those that don't know what those terms mean, there's this thing called Google. Use it.

I've been saying this for three years now, but have been mocked and ridiculed by the likes of Wags in the process. Who's laughing now? Wanna come out and play, Wags?

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To further confirm how disingenuous and dishonest Obama and the Democratic Party is, the Obama Regime, er, Administration has pushed back the sign up period for Obamacare for 2015. It used to be October 15th, but it is now November 15th. Guess what happens between those dates? The mid-term elections. Even a mummified Egyptian who has been dead for thousands of years could see that this was politically motivated, but the Obama Regime, er, Administration begs to differ. Yea, right. Next, they'll be telling us about a bridge in Brooklyn. :D

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I'm still waiting for Wags, or some other brainwashed, indoctrinated, useful idiot to refute my previous posts. :D

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Just for fun, I went to the new and improved Obamacare site. If you click on the "Apply Now" or "See if I can" topics at the top of the screen, they allow you to join a LIVE CHAT with a pro-Obamacare nutjob. Needless to say, I joined the chat and had a little fun in the process. I encourage everyone else to do likewise.

What's funny is that I accurately stated that they highlighted Women's Health on their website, but failed to mention Men's Health. I asked if they were being sexist or if it was an oversight? After several minutes, they responded that there are several issues such as cancer, diabetes, and high blood pressure that also affect men. Then, I responded that those issues are gender-neutral and would like to see something regarding prostate cancer, ED, blueballs, or a particular un-named drug creating an erection lasting longer than 4 hours. Without warning, my chat was abruptly terminated and that was that. :D

Needless to say, I'm gonna endeavour to have even more fun with that feature of the website in the future.

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Just back from vacation and it appears as though I've been missed. Sorry sly, didn't mean to leave you all alone LOL :wink:

Has the ObamaCare website rollout gone well? Hell no and there's no excuse for it. They had plenty of time to build and thoroughly test any application. Is it surprising there were issues? Not at all. Being in the tech field for over a dozen years, I don't think I've seen 1 flawless rollout; still no excuse for how screwed up it was.

What else did I miss? Sometimes its difficult to sift through your hyperbolic rants. :wink:

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Perhaps 5.5 million people losing their health insurance because of Obamacare? But nevermind, that's just a small glitch in the system. :lol:

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