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WarEr4Christ, while I understand your position, you're part of the problem and not the solution. I've learned that you can NEVER cave in to these people. If you give them an inch, they'll take a mile. Leftists are never happy, so if they win one so-called grievance, they'll just move along to the next one. California is a prime example. A compromise was reached with the gays to give them civil unions with full benefits in exchange for not pushing for gay marriage. How long did they keep their end of that bargain for? These people (meaning Leftists, libtards, socialists, communists, statists, etc.) can never be trusted.

At one time, I believed in "live and let live". Not any longer. The libtards have proven to be the most intolerant people on the planet, with the Phil Robertson attacks being the latest example. They are intolerant toward religion. They are intolerant toward normal behavior. They are intolerant toward patriotism. They are intolerant toward the military. They are intolerant toward capitalism. They are intolerant toward the moral, ethical American values which made this the greatest nation in the history of the world. F#CK THEM!

In their view, I'm a bigot and intolerant because I find man on man sex to be sick, perverted, disgusting, and demented. It has absolutely nothing to do with religion with me. It's a simple case of me choosing to never stick my dick inside a man under any circumstances. The same goes with children and animals. To me, homosexuality isn't much different from beastiality or pedophilia, because I would never partake in any of them.

However, the homos get all up in arms (If you've ever seen a gay pride event, you know what I mean) whenever you compare their desires with beastiality or pedophiles. Call it a slippery slope, if you will, but it's coming from the left, along with polygamy. They will just never give up with their destruction of society because it's a part of their ideology.

What most people fail to understand is that the destruction of the traditional family and American values has been in the Left's playbook since atleast the 1950's. Their goal was to replace the family unit with government as a means of support. This meant more social welfare programs, as well as more government influence on the families via schools, media, entertainment, and government regulations. And no, I am not wearing a tin foil hat. This has been well documented. It has also been in the playbook of every socialist/communist dictator who has come into power worldwide over the past 100 years.

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This didn't take me as long to find as I thought it would. This is taken directly from the Congressional record in 1963 about the Communist goals. Read them and see how many the Democrats have adopted:



Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35

January 10, 1963

Current Communist Goals

EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

Thursday, January 10, 1963



Mr. HERLONG. Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Patricia Nordman of De Land, Fla.,
is an ardent and articulate opponent of communism, and until recently
published the De Land Courier, which she dedicated to the purpose of
alerting the public to the dangers of communism in America.

At Mrs. Nordman's request, I include in the RECORD, under
unanimous consent, the following "Current Communist Goals," which she
identifies as an excerpt from "The Naked Communist," by Cleon
Skousen:

[From "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen]

CURRENT COMMUNIST GOALS

1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to
atomic war.

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in
atomic war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the
United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist
affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for
war.

5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet
satellites.

6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist
domination.

7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the
U.N.

8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of
Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free
elections under supervision of the U.N.

9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United
States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in
progress.

10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the
U.N.

11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter
is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with
its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the
world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes
these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in
the Congo.)

12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United
States.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American
institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for
socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum.
Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in
textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs
or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments,
editorial writing, policymaking positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion
pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms
of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to
"eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute
shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is
to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them
"censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting
pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures,
radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal,
natural, healthy."

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with
"social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for
intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the
schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation
of church and state."

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate,
old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to
cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as
selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the
teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor
part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history
since the Communists took over.

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control
over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare
programs, mental health clinics, etc.

33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the
operation of the Communist apparatus.

34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to
social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric
disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or
treat].

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws
as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose
Communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity
and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative
influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and
retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are
legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and
special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united
force["] to solve economic, political or social problems.

43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations
are ready for self-government.

44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot
prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic
problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and
individuals alike.

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I just wanted to add that whether you believe in creation or evolution, the biology is the same. The reproductive organs of the human species are conducive to heterosexual sex only. That also goes for all mammals, birds, reptiles, and the majority of lower life forms on the planet. This is NATURAL. Anything otherwise is UNNATURAL.

Since only 2% of the human population describe themselves as homosexual, they are in the minority. If there are another 2-3% who are still in the closet, they would still remain in the vast minority. Therefore, the 95-98% of humans who practice heterosexual sex would be considered NORMAL, by definition. As a result, the 2-5%, who do not, would be considered ABNORMAL by definition.

Based upon those FACTS, how can homosexuals be considered anything but ABNORMAL and UNNATURAL? Spin away, libtards. :D

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I thought I would share this link as it is pretty revealing, especially coming from a gay man himself. And I thought others might appreciate the perspective.

http://therestlessreformed.wordpress.co ... ntroversy/

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slybri19 wrote:
Since only 2% of the human population describe themselves as homosexual, they are in the minority. If there are another 2-3% who are still in the closet, they would still remain in the vast minority. Therefore, the 95-98% of humans who practice heterosexual sex would be considered NORMAL, by definition. As a result, the 2-5%, who do not, would be considered ABNORMAL by definition.


Well I'm certainly no libtard, but using your definition let's look at ABNORMAL. I'm a Brittish citizen living in the States, makes me very abnormal when you consider less that 1% of the population can say the same. I've run a marathon. I'm a certified scuba diver. I have the same birthday as my eldest son. I'm a Lions fan. I wonder what "abnormal" thing about you puts you in a category with less than 5% of the population because I'm sure you have one, if not many, too.

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The reproductive organs of the human species are conducive to heterosexual sex only.


As for UNNATURAL, well I guess you have never had the pleasure of a woman using a non-reproductive organ on you. :twisted:

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Based upon those FACTS, how can homosexuals be considered anything but ABNORMAL and UNNATURAL? Spin away, libtards. :D


Based upon those FACTS and your definitions, how can you be considered but ABNORMAL and UNNATURAL?

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Looks like Sly is going from Tea Party idiot to fascist. The transition is complete.


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Blueskies wrote:
Looks like Sly is going from Tea Party idiot to fascist. The transition is complete.


Wait wait wait...in the sprit of calling a duck a duck, How has anything Sly said IN THIS THREAD make him a fascist?

Isnt it the point of several in this thread and the bearded guy himself, that if one side says its ok to be public about their options and choices that the other side should be as well? Sly never states thats its WRONG to be gay, or that people shouldn't be, just that they are the minority and the minority shouldnt dictate what must be accepted by the majority....at least thats the way I read it.

and on this point he is right, as YOU just proved. People can throw it in your face things that may appaul you, and if you have the audacity to speak up about it, YOU become a facist (eh hem), or bigot. and that is simply wrong. why is simply stating you are not in favor of another persons life choices instantly mean you hate them? in my opinion it doesnt. but as you just pointed out that is the status quo nowadays.

Im sorry but im with Sly on this one. reguardless of my opinion, or what i believe, the fact that anyone speaking of their distaste of others choices makes them an evil hate monger is just wrong! If others have the right to talk about things you dont like, you should have equal rights to say you are not a fan without being turned into a monster. Isn't that what equal rights and free speech are all about or am I missing something?

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First, to say homosexuality is "unnatural" is objectively wrong. It might not be ideal, or typical, but it is something that occurs in nature. Therefore it is natural.

Second, to speak with such ignorance on such a topic generally implies some sort of prescriptive beliefs held by the speaker -- ie, homosexuals are wrong to do what they do, or should be discriminated against on the grounds of their homosexuality.

There are many other things that are abnormal -- having an IQ above 130, standing over 6'3 or under 4'11, being left-handed etc, but it is very unusual for people to speak about these things in terms Sly used. In contrast, they will point out that homosexuality is abnormal because they hold bigoted beliefs.


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Blueskies wrote:
First, to say homosexuality is "unnatural" is objectively wrong. It might not be ideal, or typical, but it is something that occurs in nature. Therefore it is natural.

Second, to speak with such ignorance on such a topic generally implies some sort of prescriptive beliefs held by the speaker -- ie, homosexuals are wrong to do what they do, or should be discriminated against on the grounds of their homosexuality.

There are many other things that are abnormal -- having an IQ above 130, standing over 6'3 or under 4'11, being left-handed etc, but it is very unusual for people to speak about these things in terms Sly used. In contrast, they will point out that homosexuality is abnormal because they hold bigoted beliefs.


Their in lies my point. You drew logical conclusions about what he MAY feel underneath what he said, but if he is not trying to impede any homosexuals way of life, trying to make them stop, or causing them any harm, how is he a fascist for simply stating his opinion?
The whole reason the hairy guy got kicked from the show was for stating his opinion. He didn't say that gays were evil, or should be banned, or harmed, just that he felt it was a sin. Isn't that fascism? His way of life has now been impeded simply because he said something negative (and not even totally offensive when you look at the whole conversation) about a very small part of our community.

I'm sorry for singeling you out, but you doing it here just goes to show that in our effort to "bash the bashers", or protect the underdogs so to speak, you ARE infringing on Sly's right to not approve of that lifestyle. Just as it has become taboo for a white to point out problems in black communities, it's has become almost forbidden to say anything bad about the gay community....even though there are parts of that community that are downright shameful. I think that that is wrong. Just my opinion...

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Their in lies my point. You drew logical conclusions about what he MAY feel underneath what he said, but if he is not trying to impede any homosexuals way of life, trying to make them stop, or causing them any harm, how is he a fascist for simply stating his opinion?
The whole reason the hairy guy got kicked from the show was for stating his opinion. He didn't say that gays were evil, or should be banned, or harmed, just that he felt it was a sin. Isn't that fascism? His way of life has now been impeded simply because he said something negative (and not even totally offensive when you look at the whole conversation) about a very small part of our community.

I'm sorry for singeling you out, but you doing it here just goes to show that in our effort to "bash the bashers", or protect the underdogs so to speak, you ARE infringing on Sly's right to not approve of that lifestyle. Just as it has become taboo for a white to point out problems in black communities, it's has become almost forbidden to say anything bad about the gay community....even though there are parts of that community that are downright shameful. I think that that is wrong. Just my opinion...


1) Phil Robertson actually does think gays are evil. Though he didn't say it in the recent interview that's sparked the outrage, in 2010 he said gays "full of murder" and "hatred" and they "invent ways of doing evil." He clearly hates gay people.

2) You don't have a right to keep your job with a private employer. A&E is a company, they can terminate Robertson if they want to.

3) I'm not infringing on Sly's rights whatsoever. That part of your post makes no sense.

4) In order to maintain a tolerant society, intolerance needs to be kept in check.

5) Have no idea what you're talking about in regards to black/white issues. A white person talking about single motherhood in the black community (a legitimate problem) is not in any way, shape or form comparable to a straight person attacking gay people for being evil just because.


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Well I'm certainly no libtard, but using your definition let's look at ABNORMAL. I'm a Brittish citizen living in the States, makes me very abnormal when you consider less that 1% of the population can say the same. I've run a marathon. I'm a certified scuba diver. I have the same birthday as my eldest son. I'm a Lions fan. I wonder what "abnormal" thing about you puts you in a category with less than 5% of the population because I'm sure you have one, if not many, too.


Of course, most people are ABNORMAL using my definition, but how many are actually getting their panties in a bunch over it? When the next British protest begins in the States demanding that they be considered NORMAL, let me know. I'll be there. The same goes for those protests organized by scuba divers and marathon runners.

You're missing the point or just being facetious, Pablo. I have no problem with gays doing whatever they want in the privacy of their own bedroom. My problem is with them demanding that I accept and respect their lifestyle. I won't. I find it abnormal, perverse, and disgusting.

I like how they say that it isn't a choice. It's who they are. However, they have a CHOICE whether to suck a dick or not suck a dick. Much like a pedophile (who was born that way) has a CHOICE whether to molest a child or not. Same difference.

Hell, one could say that I'm ABNORMAL because I actually pay attention to what is happening in this country rather than wasting my time watching American Idol or other assorted trash.

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Looks like Sly is going from Tea Party idiot to fascist. The transition is complete.


It looks like Blueskies is going from fascist to useful idiot. :D

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In order to maintain a tolerant society, intolerance needs to be kept in check


Enough said. :wink:

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slybri19 wrote:
Blueskies wrote:
In order to maintain a tolerant society, intolerance needs to be kept in check


Enough said. :wink:


I would tell you to read The Open Society and Its Enemies, but I don't think your little brain could handle it.


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Also, at this point, I'm pretty sure Sly is, in fact, a liberal masquerading as a conservative to troll people.

Cleon Skousen's list of communist "goals" was something he just made up. No actual "communists" declared them, and if you read the list, many of them are self-contradictory and don't even make sense. Guess what guys! Global free trade is a communist plot! :eyeroll


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