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http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/373674/putin-redraws-russian-borders-obama-unveils-bracket-picks-jim-geraghty

Another lesson for today's young adults on the bias in the media (aka, how they lie). George Bush was president when the twin towers fell. At the time of the assault the president was reading to school children. When informed of the disaster Bush continued reading to the children for 10 minutes. The major media was relentless in its attack on the president for reading to kids while the twin towers fell.

Compare that media attack on Bush to and the media's response to President Obama previewing a movie of Cesar Chavez and giving his NCAA bracket picks while Russia is unveiling a new map and promising to reunite the USSR.

For a different view of history, go back to the 60's. When Russia erected the Berlin wall, effectively dividing Germany in two, President Kennedy's famous response was, "Ich bin ein Berliner" (I am a Berliner). He told the German people the US was on their side. We are all Berliners now. President Obama on watching the Ukraine fall to Russia, 'I've got Michigan State going all the way.' Get ready NOT to read this comparison in the news.

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One thing the students would like to tell Bush's critics — like liberal filmmaker Michael Moore, whose 2004 documentary Fahrenheit 911 disparaged Bush for lingering almost 10 minutes with the students after getting word that two planes had crashed into the World Trade Center — is that they think the President did the right thing. "I think he was trying to keep everybody calm, starting with us," says Guerrero. Dubrocq agrees: "I think he was trying to protect us." Booker Principal Gwendolyn Tose-Rigell, who died in 2007, later insisted, "I don't think anyone could have handled it better. What would it have served if [Bush] had jumped out of his chair and ran out of the room?

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Compare that media attack on Bush to and the media's response to President Obama previewing a movie of Cesar Chavez and giving his NCAA bracket picks while Russia is unveiling a new map and promising to reunite the USSR.


What a silly comparison, one was an immediate threat, quite possibly terrorist on American soil. The other a potential plan of Russia reuniting the USSR by unveiling a map.

TruckinMack wrote:
Get ready NOT to read this comparison in the news.


Let's hope not... It isn't news worthy in the least!

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What a silly comparison


Seriously absurd.

Even if you think the US should be an activist, and get involved in Crimea, you have to be a downright loon to draw such comparisons.

In one instance, 3000+ American civilians were killed.

In the other instance, a collapsing Russian government makes a power grab for a small Ukrainian region with a predominantly ethnic Russian population.


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Awesome responses guys. Neville Chamberlain just sat up in his grave and said, 'Bravo!'

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Let's not move the goal posts.

There are two separate, distinct arguments here:

1) That the Russian annexation of Crimea is equivalent to the terrorist attacks of 9/11
2) That the US should get involved in Crimea

The first one -- I just can't see how someone could rationally make that argument.

The second one, sure, you could make a reasonable argument as to why we should get involved. IMO, Gary Kasparov made the best point: The US previously promised to defend Ukraine's sovereignty in exchange for them getting rid of their nukes. If we back out on our promise, it gives other countries around the world the incentive to develop nuclear weapons.

That said, I think comparing Russia's present-day actions to Nazi Germany is just foolish, for a number of reasons. Russia seems to be a society teetering on collapse. The economy is weak, controlled by plutocrat mafia types, dependent on natural gas exports. Putin's land grab is, IMO, a way to deflect internal Russian stress outward. Do some reading on it:

http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/blog ... g-collapse
http://www.amazon.com/Fragile-Empire-Ru ... rds=russia

I would prefer to use the CIA to destabilize Russia's government and provoke a revolution rather than a start a war over Crimea.


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some have said the pen is mightier than the sword...

the fiscal times wrote:
How Obama Crippled a Russian Bank with a Stroke of a Pen

He may not take shirtless horseback rides across the steppes, or have a black belt in judo, but on Thursday, President Obama sent a message to Russian president Vladimir Putin about strength. Specifically, economic strength.

The message was this: Whenever I decide to, I can pick up a pen, and kill a significant financial institution in your country.

Obama’s victim was the St. Petersburg-based Bank Rossiya.

In response to Russia’s takeover of the Ukraine’s Crimean peninsula, Obama yesterday authorized the Treasury Department to add 20 members of Putin’s inner circle, as well as Bank Rossiya, to the Office of Foreign Asset Control’s list of “specially designated nationals.”

The designation makes the individuals named ineligible to do business with U.S. financial institutions, which is likely a major personal inconvenience. But for Bank Rossiya, the designation is something like the kiss of death.

Bank Rossiya is not the largest bank in Russia by a long shot, but its significance lies in its clientele rather than its size. In announcing the sanctions, the Treasury Department noted that Bank Rossiya “is the personal bank for senior officials of the Russian Federation” including members of the Ozero Dacha Cooperative, an exclusive community where members of Putin’s inner circle live. In addition, it provides financial services to the single largest segment of the Russian economy – the oil, gas, and energy sector.

Essentially, this is a credit union for oligarchs, with a side business in financing the Russian energy industry. Its customers include many more high-profile Russians than just those named in the Treasury statement. As of Thursday it is, for all intents and purposes, out of business.

If account holders want to do any kind of business at all short of paying their utility bills and using Russian ATMs, they are going to need to go elsewhere, said experts.

“They’ve got to go to another bank,” said Lester M. Joseph, former principal deputy chief of the Department of Justice’s Asset Forfeiture and Money Laundering section. “That bank is pretty much a pariah.”

Currently the international investigations manager at Wells Fargo Bank, Joseph said when heard about the sanctions on Bank Rossiya, the first thing he did was check to see if it was a customer of his institution. “It is not, thankfully,” he said.

The impact doesn’t stop there, Joseph explained. His next step, which is ongoing, is to see if any banks that Wells Fargo has relationships with are also doing business with Bank Rossiya, and to make sure that none of those banks are routing transactions from the Russian bank through Wells Fargo’s system. “If a transaction from that bank is coming from another bank, we would have to block it,” he said.

Joseph said that every other bank in the U.S. is – or ought to be – doing exactly the same thing.

Considering the volume of international wire transfers that flow through the systems of U.S. banks, he said, this essentially shuts down Bank Rossiya’s access to a huge portion of the worldwide banking system.

As one U.S. official told Reuters, Bank Rossiya will be “frozen out of the dollar.”

And it only gets worse.

Even if governments in other countries don’t join the U.S. in sanctions against Bank Rossiya, their bankers will have a very strong incentive to stop doing business with the Russian bank if they have any ties at all to U.S. institutions – which virtually all significant international banks do.

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Post Re: Putin takes the Ukraine, Obama picks MSU
can we just go ahead and mark this as the birth of the Cold War II?

im not aware enough to call out anyone or say "we shoulda done" but it appears that we are well on our way to re-establishing some long dead tensions...

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Joe, I'd say that yes unless something happens soon that changes the way things are going this is likely the start of a new cold war between the U.S and Russia.

Mack, I understand what your saying and agree that it would be nice to see the U.S do something more about the situation but at the same time I understand and you have to realize that there is very little we can really do about this. We're basically limited to political responses such as sanctions and such, and even then very limited considering it isn't easy to sanction one of the major players of the U.N and getting the rest of the U.N to go along with anything is...unlikely at best.

It's not like we can send troops into Crimea, the reality is we can't afford to even remotely risk an actual war with Russia right now. Even without the threat of one side losing their f'n minds and deciding to "push the button" effectively ending civilization as we know it, even a strictly "conventional" war with Russia would be far too costly both economically and in death toll (U.S military and civilian casualties alike) to even remotely consider any action that may risk such a result. Especially when you consider that there will never be such a thing as "war between the U.S and Russia", any military conflict involving the two nations would be the next world war as there are far too many nations heavily reliant on one or the other to remain neutral if such a conflict were to arise.

Like I said, I'd love to see us do more but the reality is we can't. Any action that goes too far could risk what could easily become the deadliest world conflict in history. And make no mistake about it, Putin is absolutely bold enough (or crazy enough depending on how you look at it) to take Russia into such a conflict.


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