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Post Re: Sniper in high-rise hotel kills at least 50 in Las Vegas
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Great questions fellas, but yet no one has posted a reputable source with the information you're passing off as factual. It is very early in the investigation, they are not going to release very much info and what we do get is likely leaked (I thought leaks were bad :-k )


Seriously wags? Look at pics of all his guns. Pics are everywhere.

Do you really need a damn BBC source to do simple math or use common sense?

Leaks are bad...lol. Nice way to throw that in there.

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October 5th, 2017, 6:47 pm
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BillySims wrote:
http://freedomdaily.com/shocking-vid-2nd-shooter-just-accidentally-leaked-exposes-massive-media-coverup/


People just love conspiracy theories! What would be the motive for the police to cover up a second shooting? There is so much footage of this event, a cover up would be useless. There have also been a number of events with multiple people involved - why aren't those covered up?

If you want to believe in a conspiracy theory I'm sure you can find plenty of information out there to support your predisposition just like anything else, doesn't make it true. Out of tens of thousands of people at the event and all that panic, is it surprising that some will have a different narrative of what actually happened?

BTW - looking at the angle of the flashes of light in the video, looks obvious that the shots are coming from an elevated shooter and not someone on the ground.

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BTW - looking at the angle of the flashes of light in the video, looks obvious that the shots are coming from an elevated shooter and not someone on the ground.


They definitely are...but the 30+ floor? I'm no math expert, but I've taken lots and lots of trig and call through college and it doesn't add up.

I'm not saying there's a coverup by any means, I'm saying there's more questions than answers...and obvious questions (see my questions above)

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October 6th, 2017, 5:21 pm
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The local police aren't covering up anything. They've said he was radicalized and there's no way he did this alone. It's the FBI and media that want a different agenda. They're the ones stating he was a lone wolf before the bodies were cold. ISIS doesn't take credit for attacks they're not involved in. They've tripled down and given his islamic name and that he converted six months ago. All of the videos coming out have conclusive evidence of firearms at various distances.

I'm not claiming a coverup by the FBI because while investigating, they aren't going to release info. Someone high up denied the Isis connection way too early, but again the media only said a source, not a name. The media have every reason to cover it up. They've tried to without names to deny Islamic attacks before, or not cover plots that were broken up by the FBI before, so it's perfectly logical for the next step to without information from television or not interview the majority in order to spin a narrative.

The problem is that the narrative doesn't fit the evidence.

If you want a conspiracy theory, you could just look into the Latino man and woman that hundreds of witnesses said tried to warn them before hand. Were they maids from the hotel that is known to support terrorist organizations?

[link]https://townhall.com/columnists/wayneallynroot/2017/08/29/billion-dollar-vegas-company-tied-to-terrorism-organization-n2374269[/link]

The Philipines is under a Muslim take over and guns are being run there via Mexico and out of Vegas, so it does make for a very interesting conspiracy theory. Especially since he sends his gf to the Philipines and then has another Filipino women stay with him prior to him going on a shooting spree. You are under video surveillance from the moment you check in, the maids go through your stuff when you're out of the room, how in the world did he have explosives, 42 guns and have cameras set up outside of his room for 5 days and that not set off a red flag?

Yes, there is a ton of footage, but not all of it is being shown by the MSM. They dismiss any internet sources, since like Wags said, if they aren't mainstream, he won't believe it even if he sees it. They know most will just believe their version, regardless of what's out there. The truth will eventually come out, but the MSM will use this time to brainwash people into thinking this is a gun control issue and by time truth comes out, no one will care. It's what they did with Benghazi and the 2012 election.


October 6th, 2017, 6:00 pm
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This is the problem with reading fake news like Alex Jones.

After Charlletesville, the CEO of MGM (a moderate Republican) said his company would match employee donations to a variety of civil rights groups, including the NAACP and anti-defamation league. One of the groups was CAIR, a Muslim civil rights group. CAIR has been critized by pro Israel groups and some of its members have had questionable ties, but nothing has ever been proven, and it essientally just advocates for Muslims living in the US.

Somehow, through the lens of the fake news blogosphere, that's twisted to be "MGM supports terrorists". Give me a break.

I'll give you a tip: real news outlets start with the lead, almost always in the first sentence. "Today, this happened" or "yesterday, so and so did this".

If you have to read half the article to get to the meat, you're not reading an article. Your reading a bullshit story and someone is trying to convince you of something.


October 7th, 2017, 5:08 am
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Cair supports Hamas. Hence they support terrorism. Alex Jones didn't tell me that. Just follow the money. I have a journalism degree, I know how to read multiple sources and see the bias and strip out the facts. It's easy to see what each article leaves out and what's fake or not. Hamas isn't questionable anti-israel, they've always been a terrorist organization.

And if you read what I wrote, i stated, if you want a conspiracy theory, you could go down this route... I wasn't stating MGM was in on it. I said, you could piece together facts to make it look like it.

So you ignored what I lead with, that the local sheriff said he was radicalized and he couldn't have acted alone, and jumped to what I clearly said was a rabbit hole. Then you say I have a problem with reading fake news. The irony lol.

There's enough unanswered questions about this to warrant keeping an eye on it. I never trust one source and even the videos need to be analyzed because cell phone mics aren't the best. Hopefully the investigation doesn't take forever.


October 7th, 2017, 12:26 pm
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It must not have been a good school if you're posting Wayne Allen Root garbage as a source. I was an editor for 5 years. If you brought that garbage to me I would've dropped you.

You didn't say MGM was in on it. You said they were a hotel that was known to support terrorists.

That's either a total lie, or an incredibly ignorant twisting of some minor half truths. Not sure which is worse.

Does CAIR support Hamas? No. There have been some questions in the past. See:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fa ... b5fe5bbfb7

But it's a complex and tricky topic that requires some fairness and nuance.


October 7th, 2017, 2:26 pm
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So you ignored what I lead with, that the local sheriff said he was radicalized and he couldn't have acted alone, and jumped to what I clearly said was a rabbit hole.

You've mentioned this a couple times not but I've seen no proof of him actually saying that. AFAIK he has stated that his instincts and experience tell him that the shooter must have had assistance somewhere along the line. No where have I seen where the shooter was believed or confirmed to have been radicalized.

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Speaking to reporters on Wednesday afternoon, sheriff Joseph Lombardo said “he had to have some help”.

Mr Lombardo said investigators did not have any other suspects at this stage, but they were “determined to find out if there was”.

“You look at the weapon obtaining, the different amounts of Tannerite [explosives] available, do you think this was all accomplished on his own?

“On face value, you’ve got to make the assumption he had to have some help at some point, and we want to ensure that that’s the answer.”
http://www.news.com.au/world/north-amer ... 7269147835

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October 7th, 2017, 3:12 pm
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go to CBS, CNN, Fox, any network and watch the press conferences. And yes, you make assumptions when the math for number of rounds, vs number of victims(casualties + wounded) is greater than military capabilities. He would have had to have been a super soldier and we know that's not the case.


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Police change timeline, say Vegas gunman shot security guard 6 minutes before opening fire on concert

LAS VEGAS — Police have dramatically changed their account of how the Las Vegas massacre began on Oct. 1, revealing Monday that the gunman shot a hotel security guard six minutes before opening fire on a country music concert — raising new questions about why police weren’t able to pinpoint the gunman’s location sooner.

Officials had previously said that gunman Stephen Paddock, 64, of Mesquite, Nev., shot Mandalay Bay security guard Jesus Campos after Paddock had unleashed his deadly volley at the Route 91 Harvest country music festival, an assault that began at 10:05 p.m.

Officials had previously credited Campos, who was shot in the leg, with stopping the 10-minute assault on the concert crowd by turning the gunman’s attention to the hotel hallway, where Campos was checking an alert for an open door in another guest’s room.

But Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo said Monday that Paddock shot Campos before his mass shooting — at 9:59 p.m. — and they now don’t know why Paddock stopped his attack on the crowd.

Paddock, who had placed security cameras outside his room, shot Campos through the door of his suite, which was outfitted with a camera to survey the hallway, as was a room service cart parked outside. Police have said that Paddock fired 200 rounds into the hallway.

Investigators previously said that the security guard was shot after Paddock had already spent 10 minutes firing into the crowd of concertgoers gathered below the hotel.

In a timeline released last week, investigators said Paddock had stopped firing at the concert across the street at 10:15 p.m., and the first police officers arrived on the floor at 10:17 p.m. and encountered the wounded Campos at 10:18 p.m., who directed the officers to Paddock’s suite.

Police were not in a hurry to enter Paddock’s suite because the security guard’s arrival had halted the shooting, police implied in previously describing the timeline.

But on Monday, the timeline changed.

“Mr. Campos was encountered by the suspect prior to his shooting to the outside world,” Lombardo said at a Monday news conference.

Police officers who started searching the hotel after the shooting began didn’t know a hotel security guard had been shot “until they met him in the hallway after exiting the elevator,” Lombardo said.

Charles “Sid” Heal, a retired Los Angeles County sheriff’s commander and tactical expert, said the new timeline “changes the whole perspective of the shooting.”

Heal said that if police had known immediately that a guard had been shot, they would have rushed the room while the gunman was still firing. He said it seemed to signal a breakdown in communication.

“It doesn’t say much for hotel security,” Heal said.

After Campos was shot, a maintenance worker appeared on the 32nd floor and “Campos prevented him from receiving any injuries,” Lombardo said.

Representatives for the Mandalay Bay hotel casino and the union representing Mandalay Bay’s security guards did not immediately respond to messages seeking comment.

Lombardo said investigators still had not uncovered a motive for Paddock’s attack and had found “zero” evidence of a second gunman. Investigators said Paddock was not seen with anyone before the attack.

Lombardo also revised the date on which police believe Paddock checked in to the Mandalay Bay hotel. While initially they said he had checked in on Sept. 28, three days before the shooting, they now believe he checked in on Sept. 25.

They continue to believe he was operating without a partner.

Lombardo said investigators had compiled 200 “instances” of Paddock moving around Las Vegas before the attack, and he was always alone.

The sheriff also revealed that Paddock had started drilling a hole next to the door of his suite, but the drilling apparently was not completed, and officials weren’t sure what the hole was for.

Lombardo said investigators had found “some evidence of medications” used by Paddock but declined to give any more information.

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(Montero reported from Las Vegas, and Pearce and Winton from Los Angeles.)

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This is the problem with reading fake news like Alex Jones.

After Charlletesville, the CEO of MGM (a moderate Republican) said his company would match employee donations to a variety of civil rights groups, including the NAACP and anti-defamation league. One of the groups was CAIR, a Muslim civil rights group. CAIR has been critized by pro Israel groups and some of its members have had questionable ties, but nothing has ever been proven, and it essientally just advocates for Muslims living in the US.

Somehow, through the lens of the fake news blogosphere, that's twisted to be "MGM supports terrorists". Give me a break.

I'll give you a tip: real news outlets start with the lead, almost always in the first sentence. "Today, this happened" or "yesterday, so and so did this".

If you have to read half the article to get to the meat, you're not reading an article. Your reading a bullshit story and someone is trying to convince you of something.


100% agree with you, blueskies. its amazing how people will believe what they want to believe. "muslims" have become the "boogeyman" - and anything that happens is blamed on them. bigoted politicians and bigoted media sites with special interests easily sway peoples minds with conspiracy theories with no substance. just look at nj - he s obviously an intelligent person but one that is quite extremely ethnically or religiously prejudiced. we the people have power only when united but there are so many factions out there that benefit from dividing and uniformally weakening us.


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If you've read my posts on this forum even a little bit, you should know I'm no fan of religion. Including Islam, which I think is worse than Christianity in many ways.

But as far as I can tell, there's no credible evidence to suggest this guy was a radical Muslim ISIS member, or a member of ANTIFA, fueled by a hatred of conservatives. Think about the contradiction inherent in that for half a second -- somehow he's possibly an extremist, Middle Ages-esque cultural conservative, or a burn-it-down neo-Marxist commie nut. The two ideologies are diametrically opposed in basically every way. So which is it?

That kind of contradiction is the first big tip that you're dealing with some sort of cognitive dissonance. People just can't accept the fact that an average, middle-aged white dude could take a few guns and go on a rampage. In fact, it's happened many times throughout this country's history. There's even been people like Charles Whitman that develop brain tumors and go nuts for no reason other than their brain is physically malfunctioning.

To imply that MGM is somehow in league with radical Islam is the height of nuttiness, and just deeply offensive. I have friends that work for MGM. I can tell you: They're degenerates. It's a company that sells gambling, and sex, and drinking. Blowing your kids college fund betting on the Lions, then going to your hotel room and cheating on your wife with a hooker you picked up in their bar. The idea that they could somehow be in league with ISIS is just so stupid it's not even worth responding to.


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