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Thats pretty cold. I know it is a business, but it seems harsh to just throw them out on their rear like that.

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Ford fires salaried employees

Struggling automaker using new tactic to slash its payroll
August 12, 2005




BY MICHAEL ELLIS
FREE PRESS BUSINESS WRITER



Ford Motor Co., for the first time in generations, has resorted to firing employees and immediately escorting them from corporate buildings -- roiling the company and compelling Chief Executive Officer Bill Ford to send a message this week to reassure the so-called Ford Family.


Until now, Detroit automakers have cut thousands of white-collar jobs almost exclusively by getting employees to voluntarily quit through early retirement, buyouts or letting open positions go unfilled.


But not nearly enough people have come off Ford's payroll to meet its initial goal of cutting 2,750 of its 35,000 North American white-collar workers.


Even worse for workers, the company reported a $907-million loss in the April-June period this year for its North American division, and says now that cuts may have to go even deeper than 2,750 positions.


That means Ford is getting tough about cutting people loose. The company wouldn't say Thursday how many people it has fired in recent weeks, but Bill Ford acknowledged the bold new measures in an e-mail to employees on Monday.


"Some have asked me why we have had to ask employees to depart immediately," he wrote. "Well, the management team has discussed this and concluded that it's kinder to make our separations in this fashion, rather than have the employee remain in a difficult situation. Frankly, there's no easy way to do this."


Asked when Ford had last cut staff by firing people, company spokesman Oscar Suris said Thursday, "It has been a long, long time. I just can't say if there's been one other instance."


Ford drew up a policy for firing salaried workers in 2002, but didn't enact that plan until last month, Suris said.


Ford has cut its staff by tens of thousands over the last decade, but it is still bleeding money. Last month, the automaker fired 20 to 25 public relations staff members, including some who had worked for the automaker for decades, people familiar with the matter said.


This week, Ford announced plans to unify the sales and marketing field staffs for its Ford and Lincoln Mercury divisions, which a spokeswoman said will result in more firings.


The new measures have shocked Ford employees.


"It's fairly unprecedented that they're walking people out the door," one Ford white-collar employee said Thursday. The worker, who knew many of the fired employees, did not want to be identified for fear of retribution.


A second salaried worker, who also did not want to be identified, said Ford was being careful where it made the cuts, and that some departments are overstaffed.


"They're not just taking an ax or a machete and hoping for the best. It's really being done to departments that can afford to cut it," he said Thursday.


A third worker, who recently left the company and did not want to be labeled a disgruntled worker, said Thursday that Ford had been slow to downsize, even as it steadily cut jobs since 2002.


In the ever-cyclical business of the automotive industry, Ford traditionally would downsize during a recession but then rehire many of the workers once the economy recovered and profits grew.


However, Bill Ford explained in his e-mail that the company isn't facing a traditional economic downturn.


"We're not downsizing temporarily with the hope that conditions will get better," he said.


At a meeting in June, Ford executives discussed the possibility of cutting 30% of the company's white-collar workforce in the North American automotive unit, according to a person who attended the meeting.


"There's lots of plans under discussion," said Suris, who declined to detail any particular ideas on the table.


Ford's firings reflect the cold reality facing today's employees, workforce experts said.


"It used to be that if there was a downsizing, it would happen in a way that would show that you're taking care of us, that you're being a caring employer," Ellen Kossek, a professor of human resource management at Michigan State University, said Thursday. "Ford is not going out of its way to not be a nice employer. They are just making the difficult choices."


Contact MICHAEL ELLIS at 313-222-8784 or mellis@freepress.com. Free Press staff writer Margarita Bauza contributed to this report.

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Even worse for workers, the company reported a $907-million loss in the April-June period this year for its North American division, and says now that cuts may have to go even deeper than 2,750 positions.


No surprise :? The economy keeps getting worse.

The sad part is I see it everywhere kinda like a dominoe effect. Every one is looking for the cheapest possible way to distribute a service or product and as a result they get the same thing done from both ends.

MY line of work is a perfect example. I work in advertising/Printing

Customers look at several different printers to see where they can get the best product and the lowest price, in order to be the most competive printer, the printing company pays its employees less, looks for the cheapest paper, ink, parts, plates, etc. From the employees at the printing company to the employees at paper, ink, part, and plates companies wages decrease, and they all look at staying competitive by making there products from the cheapest possible sources

It essential is squeezing the middle class out, while gas prices from the pump to the natural gas for heat continue to rise..

I dont know if its a result of a political agenda, nafta and cafta, or other countries like China and Japan being more productive but it has to hit bottom somewhere.. once you hit rock bottom the only place left to go is up..

I dont know what the point of having Nimitz class Aircraft carriers and joint strike fighters is when you can't keep the steel workers in Pennsylvania and the Auto workers in detroit at there jobs?

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August 12th, 2005, 12:52 pm
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It essential is squeezing the middle class out, while gas prices from the pump to the natural gas for heat continue to rise..


I hear this all the time...I complain about gasoline prices soaring because it's gotten out of hand. $0.30 jump for 2 hours and then the gas stations lower it $0.20 to people will line up to gas up their vehicles thinking they're saving money...but the gas stations still raised the prices $0.10.

HOWEVER, natural gas is a whole different ballgame. I work for an electric/gas utility here in the state and I know first hand that my company doesn't make squat on the natural gas they sell to their customers (me included). What they make is so minimal, it's not even funny. Of course they USED to make quite a bit, as with electric, but now the gas transmission and production companies are raising the prices so high, the company is near losing money on delivering gas to customers, due to the fact we're only a gas distribution company (we have some transmission as well). Electric is slightly different, but the MPSC regulates our rates and we can't gouge people like the oil companies can. Funny how that works, huh? Oil companies can go F a cactus. I hate them. Blam those aholes in the Gulf who produce the natural gas...as with the aholes in the Gulf who produce the oil.


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I hear this all the time...I complain about gasoline prices soaring because it's gotten out of hand. $0.30 jump for 2 hours and then the gas stations lower it $0.20 to people will line up to gas up their vehicles thinking they're saving money...but the gas stations still raised the prices $0.10.


I always liked the word "conditioning". They raise the prices to condition you to feel better when they lower them.. It doesnt seem like too long ago the were around 1.20/gallon and that seemed high, right now in G.R. its 2.55/gallon

the only way to fight back is to ride a bike, and Im not about to that!

or go to www.gasbuddy.com and find the lowest price near you

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Funny how that works, huh? Oil companies can go F a cactus.
thats damn funny

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Blam those aholes in the Gulf who produce the natural gas...as with the aholes in the Gulf who produce the oil.


I am pretty sure we get MOST of our oil from canada... The Chinese have started sucking oil through sand (the crappiest place to get oil) and the US is flipping out but cant do anything about it...

Well they could



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Yeah the economy sucks eggs right now. Some major stuff needs to happen or else we will be sunk big time IMO. I know Pablo is all for free trade because of getting things cheaper but the fact is that it is terrible for the American consumer based economy when money continually flows elsewhere and stays there. The other problem is that we have less and less products produced to here for not only Americans to purchase but to export at all.

Hopefully it is still cyclical. If you look at the Asian economic crisis some years ago they have seemed to recover nicely from that and so should we. But they are producers and continually invest heavily in R&D especially when the economy is bad where as here our companies sell off everything not bolted to the ground and lay under a desk suckcling their thumbs in hopes things recover.

I know some people here would crap a brick but I for one am ready for a nationalized health care system. I have coworkers that live in Canada and yes they pay higher taxes but I pay about $500 a month for benefits and have a hard time believing that I would be taxed that. If I lose my job my family and I are screwed and that is part of what makes it all the more stressful to lose a job here. Even with the coverage I haven't been to the doctor in years because it is so cost prohibitive with copays. Anyways...it makes me sick. I know some people are heavily opposed to the idea but it is just too much burden for many of us and a terrible tradgedy for those who go without which are many.

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Yeah the economy sucks eggs right now. Some major stuff needs to happen or else we will be sunk big time IMO. I know Pablo is all for free trade because of getting things cheaper but the fact is that it is terrible for the American consumer based economy when money continually flows elsewhere and stays there.


The only problem I have, and Im not really sure that it has anything to do with free trade, is all the jobs going to mexico and overseas. That sux!

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I know some people here would crap a brick but I for one am ready for a nationalized health care system. I have coworkers that live in Canada and yes they pay higher taxes but I pay about $500 a month for benefits and have a hard time believing that I would be taxed that. If I lose my job my family and I are screwed and that is part of what makes it all the more stressful to lose a job here. Even with the coverage I haven't been to the doctor in years because it is so cost prohibitive with copays. Anyways...it makes me sick. I know some people are heavily opposed to the idea but it is just too much burden for many of us and a terrible tradgedy for those who go without which are many.


I dont think it can happen, our society is too capitalized. If it does happen it will need a complete overhaul. Something must be done though, it goes up 14 percent a year... Its another cost people just can't afford, like soon to be 3 dollars a gallon gas


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Yeah the economy sucks eggs right now. Some major stuff needs to happen or else we will be sunk big time IMO. I know Pablo is all for free trade because of getting things cheaper but the fact is that it is terrible for the American consumer based economy when money continually flows elsewhere and stays there. The other problem is that we have less and less products produced to here for not only Americans to purchase but to export at all.

Hopefully it is still cyclical. If you look at the Asian economic crisis some years ago they have seemed to recover nicely from that and so should we. But they are producers and continually invest heavily in R&D especially when the economy is bad where as here our companies sell off everything not bolted to the ground and lay under a desk suckcling their thumbs in hopes things recover.

I know some people here would crap a brick but I for one am ready for a nationalized health care system. I have coworkers that live in Canada and yes they pay higher taxes but I pay about $500 a month for benefits and have a hard time believing that I would be taxed that. If I lose my job my family and I are screwed and that is part of what makes it all the more stressful to lose a job here. Even with the coverage I haven't been to the doctor in years because it is so cost prohibitive with copays. Anyways...it makes me sick. I know some people are heavily opposed to the idea but it is just too much burden for many of us and a terrible tradgedy for those who go without which are many.

First of all, the economy is not in bad shape. It's only a couple of industries that are struggling (steelworkers, autoworkers, airlines). The rest of the economy has been growing steadily for several years now. The big problem with the steel and auto industries is that they have been taken hostage by their unions. Don't believe me? Look at the auto industry as a whole. Which companies are the most profitable and which ones are struggling? It's not a coincedence that the companies that are struggling are the ones that are controlled by the UAW. I'm not saying that there shouldn't be a union, but the contracts that the unions have insisted upon have strangled the ability of the automakers to innovate and turn a profit. Same thing with the airlines. Also, the companies are poorly run at the executive level. It's a big problem for those companies, but it doesn't mean that the whole economy is bad.

Second, nationalized health care is not a good idea. You mentioned Canada. I know some doctors here in the US who used to be doctors in Canada, and they left because they said the government decides what treatment is allowed. They cited specific examples where they had patients who needed surgery but they couldn't get it because of the government delay in making a decision. It's bad enough when the insurance companies are making decisions about what medical care you get. Do you honestly think it will be better with the government making that decision? If you say yes to that, I have another question for you. Can you name one program that the government has ever taken over that is in better shape and runs more efficiently after the government took over? I don't know of any. In most cases, things get significantly worse after the government takes over.


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