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Let's take some guesses at who wins camp battles. I'll start with Left Tackle and I'm thinking Storm Norman takes the job

Corey Robinson is still on the PUP list.
Greg Robinson, watched one of his 2016 games on NFL replay and not impressed at all.
Cyrus Kouandjio was a great 5-star prospect coming out of high school and hasn't improved at all since then so I don't see his game improving.

That leaves the Storm. The UFA has good size (6'8"), durability (started every game in college last 2 years on a good offense) and is a pretty good pass protector which is what this team needs until Decker's return. I think the team can build a scheme to help this guy out for the first half of the season much like they did with LaAdrian Waddle a few years ago at RT as a UFA who beat out Jason Fox and Corey Hilliard midway through the season and was a pretty decent OL until his knee injury.

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I firmly believe G. Robinson or Kouandijo will be the starter by the beginning of the season. Kouandijo was one of the highest rated back up OTs last season and Robinson hasn't even had a chance to fully practice yet with the Lions. Norton is only getting first team reps because of the current injuries and since Kouandijo just got healthy. While being asked about Norton, Caldwell himself said “You can’t make a whole lot out of what you see sometimes, because of injuries and where we are.” Once they allow Robinson to fully practice, Norton will be back to the 2nd team to fight for a back up position.


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I firmly believe G. Robinson or Kouandijo will be the starter by the beginning of the season. Kouandijo was one of the highest rated back up OTs last season and Robinson hasn't even had a chance to fully practice yet with the Lions. Norton is only getting first team reps because of the current injuries and since Kouandijo just got healthy. While being asked about Norton, Caldwell himself said “You can’t make a whole lot out of what you see sometimes, because of injuries and where we are.” Once they allow Robinson to fully practice, Norton will be back to the 2nd team to fight for a back up position.


I think most people would tend to agree with you, I just think it could turn out different after thinking it through further. Kouandijo hurt his hip "at home" in April and isn't fully healthy, later than month he was found in a field partially clothed after climbing over an electric fence near the scene of an accident this yelling at police to shoot him. Not sure how much I trust a guy like that. Robinson hasn't come close to living up to his draft status and could get Stafford killed protecting his blindside.

I just hope one of them steps up and performs well until Decker's return.

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The latest look at Lions’ position battles

Before the start of training camp, we highlighted nine position battles we would be closely following.

Heading into the team’s first preseason game, following a pair of joint practices with the Indianapolis Colts, here’s where each of those competitions stand.

LEFT TACKLE

The Lions have tinkered with a number of options here, including undrafted rookie Storm Norton getting a day with the first-team offense, but it’s largely been a two-horse race between Greg Robinson and Cyrus Kouandijo.

Robinson got off to a slow start, thanks to a brief stint on the PUP list for coming up short on the team’s conditioning expectations, but he’s emerged as the clear favorite to fill in for Taylor Decker in recent days. Robinson took all the first-team reps during the two practices in Indianapolis and looked like the more consistent of the two newcomers.

Learning a new playbook and blocking scheme have been obvious challenges for both Robinson and Kouandijo, but it’s trending as Robinson’s job to lose.

NICKELBACK

The Lions brought in some serious competition for incumbent Quandre Diggs job, and, thus far, the third-year pro has staved off challengers D.J. Hayden and Jamal Agnew.

On the practice field, Diggs has looked sharper in coverage, a weakness in his game last year. Hiccups are still present, but he’s been tighter on his assignments, resulting in more pass breakups and a really nice interception while covering Golden Tate.

Hayden has been picking up as of late, and you can see the natural talent that made him a first-round pick a few years back. Whether he can overtake Diggs remains to be seen, but at worst, he gives the Lions a better security blanket if injuries strike.

Agnew has exhibited typical rookie inconsistencies, regularly losing his one-on-one matchups in convincing fashion, but he’s coming off his best practice and his return ability have him in the lead for one, if not both of those jobs on special teams while he develops as a defender.

THIRD-FIFTH WIDE RECEIVERS

Let’s be clear, rookie Kenny Golladay has taken a firm grasp on the third receiving spot. The remaining openings are impossible to project at this stage. TJ Jones, Jared Abbrederis, Jace Billingsley and Keshawn Martin have all performed well.

Jones, the most experienced in Detroit’s scheme, probably has a leg up. He’s had a couple bad drops, but plenty of receptions as well, with many coming while working with the top offensive group. Abbrederis is a smooth route runner at all depths with good hands, Billingsley can be a nightmare on short throws in space and Martin has been making Detroit’s rookie cornerbacks look silly with shiftiness off the line.

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It might not be the most important role in the defense, but the strong side linebacker will probably be on the field between 25-40 percent of snaps, depending on the opponent.

Antwione Williams, the early favorite, has clearly made strides in his second season, but he’s currently locked in a highly competitive battle with do-everything veteran Brandon Copeland, who got the first-team reps in Indy.

Look for these two to split time throughout the preseason. Copeland’s ability to rush the passer, with his experience at defensive end, make him an intriguing option at the spot. Effectively playing in space while hovering around 260 pounds remains the question.

LEFT GUARD

Even though the coaching staff implied this would be an open competition, there’s been no sign of Graham Glasgow relinquishing the job he took over in the middle of last season.

Glasgow has shown improvement, particularly as a pass protector, while Laken Tomlinson and Joe Dahl have failed to offer much of a challenge. At this point, those two are battling it out to be the top interior backup. Dahl holds the edge based on practice reps, but he’s had a rough camp. His best trait remains his versatility. He’s taken snaps at every spot along the line expect right tackle this offseason.

FOURTH-FIFTH DEFENSIVE END

The Lions have been so banged up at defensive end that it’s given the contenders plenty of reps to state an early case. Anthony Zettel has made the most of the opportunity, flashing vastly improved get-off on the edge. He still needs to show the ability to finish his rushes consistently.

Undrafted rookies Alex Barrett and Jeremiah Valoaga have displayed more potential than seventh-round pick Pat O’Connor, with Barrett showing the most consistency getting off the ball and penetrating the backfield. It wouldn’t be surprising to see one of the undrafteds crack the roster with a strong preseason.

THIRD-FOURTH RUNNING BACK

The Lions have made it difficult to get a strong read on their preferences here. Zach Zenner, Matt Asiata and Dwayne Washington have all received snaps with the first-team offense. Asiata appears to have a little more momentum heading into the preseason opener, while Washington has struggled with drops as a receiving option coming out of the backfield.

BACKUP DEFENSIVE TACKLES

Jordan Hill was generating some buzz as a pass-rushing force before suffering an undisclosed injury. He’s missed the past four practices and risks being out of sight, out of mind. The player who has taken advantage of more playing time has been rookie Jeremiah Ledbetter, who has been in the backfield more than you might expect for a young player in his first camp.

Ledbetter is unquestionably undersized, listed at 280 pounds, but he’s extremely athletic. He’s one to watch once the exhibition slate gets under way.

BACKUP QUARTERBACK

You can stick a fork in this one. Jake Rudock has proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt, he’s the second-best quarterback in Lions camp. He’s more decisive, more accurate, has more zip on his throws, plus effective mobility when his pocket collapses.

Brad Kaaya hasn’t had a good camp, not that anyone should be surprised. It’s difficult to play quarterback in the NFL, no matter where you went to college. It seems likely the team will expose him to waivers and try to get him on the practice squad once it’s time to get the roster down to 53.

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we ll know much more after the game today...

QB: Stafford/Rudock
RB: Abdullah/Riddick/Zenner/Washington
TE: Ebron/Fells/Roberts/Wick
WR: Tate/M Jones/Galladay/Abbrederis
OT: G Robinson/Wagner/Kouandjio/
OG: Glasgow/Lang/Tomlinson/Dahl
C: Swanson

K Prater
P Martin
LS Muhlbach

DE: Ansah/Hyder/Washington/Zettel/Copeland
DT: Robinson/Ngata/Spence/Hill/Ledbetter
LB: Whitehead/Davis/Worrilow/Bellore/Williams/Maybin
CB: Slay/Lawson/Diggs/Hayden/Bademosis/Tabor/Agnew
S: Quinn/Wilson/Killebrew/Washington/Carey


Suspended: DE Bryant/DT Thornton (Bellore or Copeland might be a cut when Bryant comes back, Thornton might not have a spot or one of Hill/Spence get cut)
PUP: LT Decker

PS: QB Kaaya, TE Tonyan, WR Billingsley, WR Ford, OT Norton, C Koloamatangi, DE O'Connor, DE Barrett, LB Longa, CB Thornton


August 14th, 2017, 9:14 pm
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Subtract Hyder and Copeland. Mad dash of street free agents and undrafted rooks scrambling for those last couple DL rotation spots


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we ll know much more after the game today...

QB: Stafford/Rudock
RB: Abdullah/Riddick/Zenner/Washington
TE: Ebron/Fells/Roberts/Wick
WR: Tate/M Jones/Galladay/Abbrederis
OT: G Robinson/Wagner/Kouandjio/
OG: Glasgow/Lang/Tomlinson/Dahl
C: Swanson

K Prater
P Martin
LS Muhlbach

DE: Ansah/Hyder/Washington/Zettel/Copeland
DT: Robinson/Ngata/Spence/Hill/Ledbetter
LB: Whitehead/Davis/Worrilow/Bellore/Williams/Maybin
CB: Slay/Lawson/Diggs/Hayden/Bademosis/Tabor/Agnew
S: Quinn/Wilson/Killebrew/Washington/Carey


Suspended: DE Bryant/DT Thornton (Bellore or Copeland might be a cut when Bryant comes back, Thornton might not have a spot or one of Hill/Spence get cut)
PUP: LT Decker

PS: QB Kaaya, TE Tonyan, WR Billingsley, WR Ford, OT Norton, C Koloamatangi, DE O'Connor, DE Barrett, LB Longa, CB Thornton


Legend, you really think we are going to have 12 DBs? That seems kina high.


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Hystrix wrote:
The Legend wrote:
we ll know much more after the game today...

QB: Stafford/Rudock
RB: Abdullah/Riddick/Zenner/Washington
TE: Ebron/Fells/Roberts/Wick
WR: Tate/M Jones/Galladay/Abbrederis
OT: G Robinson/Wagner/Kouandjio/
OG: Glasgow/Lang/Tomlinson/Dahl
C: Swanson

K Prater
P Martin
LS Muhlbach

DE: Ansah/Hyder/Washington/Zettel/Copeland
DT: Robinson/Ngata/Spence/Hill/Ledbetter
LB: Whitehead/Davis/Worrilow/Bellore/Williams/Maybin
CB: Slay/Lawson/Diggs/Hayden/Bademosis/Tabor/Agnew
S: Quinn/Wilson/Killebrew/Washington/Carey


Suspended: DE Bryant/DT Thornton (Bellore or Copeland might be a cut when Bryant comes back, Thornton might not have a spot or one of Hill/Spence get cut)
PUP: LT Decker

PS: QB Kaaya, TE Tonyan, WR Billingsley, WR Ford, OT Norton, C Koloamatangi, DE O'Connor, DE Barrett, LB Longa, CB Thornton


Legend, you really think we are going to have 12 DBs? That seems kina high.


Washington might not make it at safety. Bademosi and Carey almost certainly will as special teamers. Diggs could be a cut but he s beating out Hayden, Tabor and Agnew. Tabor as a 2nd rd pick Quinn went out on a limb for will not be cut. Agnew maybe could be cut but he s the top return man and likely has a spot. They could cut Hayden but they also gave him a nice chunk of guaranteed money. Barring injury I see them keeping 11 maybe 12.


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Pre-Preseason game 2 roster projection

QB: Stafford/Rudock/
RB: Abdullah/Zenner/Riddick/Washington
TE: Fells/Ebron/Wick/Carter
LT: Robinson/Lucas
LG: Glasgow/Tomlinson
C: Swanson
RG: Lang/Dahl
RT: Wagner
WR: Tate/M Jones/Golladay/Abrederis

LS: Muhlbach
K: Prater
P: Martin

DE: Ansah/Zettel/Washington/O'Connor/Valoaga
DT: Robinson/Ngata/Spence/Hill/Ledbetter
OLB: Whitehead/Williams/Armbrister/Maybin
MLB: Davis/Worrilow
CB: Slay/Lawson/Diggs/Hayden/Tabor/Agnew/Bademosi
S: Quinn/Wilson/Killebrew/Washington/Carey


Suspended: DT Thornton (likely a cut), DE Bryant (will be on roster after suspension)

PS: CB Thornton, DE Barrett, LB Longa, WR Ford, WR Billingsley, TE Tonyan, RB Green, C Koloamatangi, QB Kaaya, G Bozick


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Just some notes after the preseason opener

QB: Brad Kaaya looked a lot better than the beat writers seem to be giving him credit for. He may be playing himself onto the roster. Rudock looked good though most of that was because of his mobility and Golladay making two great catches. Im not sure Rudock completes those balls to anyone else on the roster. I think mobility is an underrated trait in a backup QB - still have Rudock firmly ahead of Kaaya but maybe Kaaya bumps one of the DBs off the roster.

RB: Asiata looked mobile but there just wasnt anything there for him, might see different results if they actually make a block or two for him. Zenner looks like a legitimate backup - versatile, can catch, missed a block but a good blocker usually, reads blocks well. He s on the team. Im not so sure about Washington, they might be able to get him to the practice squad. Washington looks like he needs more time to figure things out. If Asiata shows something which he really didnt vs the Colts, he could beat out Washington. The kid Green looks like a tough runner, he should at least get a spot on the practice squad.

TE: Probably the most concerning group. Roberts looks like a skinny 275. Obviously needs to protect the ball better. What was interesting to me is he seems more comfortable receiving than blocking and I just cant help but wonder again why him over Jake Butt unless they see Roberts as an all around TE (he doesnt play like one). With Ebron on the roster at least for 2017 and 2018 you have to wonder what role Roberts will have. Its only our first glimpse of him in the Lions offense but I dunno, I expected him to look a little tougher in line. Im not sure Wick has much of a future in this league but I have him on the roster as of right now, could change if Roberts cleans things up a little or if Ebron comes back by the 3rd preseason game and shows he can take some snaps instead of being habitually out.

OL: Robinson looked far better than the Cornelius Lucas show we ve been accustomed to. Behind him, here s to hoping that Kouandijo gets some time this week and maybe we dont need to think about Corey Robinson or Lucas as swing tackles. As for Storm Norton, he looked like hot garbage - no power, looks like his feet are stuck in mud or that he s playing on roller skates. Doesnt even look like PS material.

Inside I think the Lions maybe have overvalued what they have in Graham Glasgow. He just doesnt look very good to me. He has a slow start last year as well, maybe its his thing. Tomlinson had a false start but he is physically better than Glasgow. It may be a football IQ issue but Im not sure the Lions line problems are solved even when Decker comes back. They still need some better punch on that interior.

WR: Golladay might be playing himself into a role which hurts someone like TJ Jones or Abrederis who was hoping to get a 3rd WR role. Ford looks good receiving the ball and looks the part but two illegal blocks cant help his cause. Maybe they can teach him that on the PS. Billingsley also looks like a fit for the offense we ve seen the last 23 games or so. I wonder if they ve ever thought about using him in the backfield as a sort of back up for Riddick's role. Keshawn Martin actually looked decent on WR screens. That 4th WR spot is up for grabs - I see it right now as Abrederis leading with Marting now ahead of TJ Jones. With two decent guys going to the practice squad in Ford and Billingsley I dont see the need to keep 5 especially when the backs can all catch and the TEs are more of receiving variety except Fells.

DE: O'Connor looked pretty good, he had a role in Valaoga's sack and another delayed run where the Colts runner fumbled. O Connor plays with hustle and seems to have more power than the other DE options the Lion s have healthy right now. Valaoga with his size is probably ahead of Barrett who picked up a hustle/coverage sack and probably at least makes the PS. Should be an exciting opportunity for these guys all with a chance to make an NFL opening day roster. Armonty Bryant though has to feel like there s a chance at a starting role waiting for him when he comes back. Will be keeping a closer eye on Zettel and Washington this week.

DT: Robinson looked good and has made some progress. The depth here though looked weak, they were getting pushed around into the LBers a little too often. Khyri Thornton was playing late in the game against 3rd stringers and should ve been making plays but wasnt that impressive. Spence looks like he s the 3rd DT but I d like to see a lil more from him as its too much to expect contribution from Ledbetter this season except for occassional passrushing downs. Jordan Hill still has a chance if he gets back on the field. Ego Ferguson looks okay but didnt stand out, he could get a spot if Hill s not healthy.

DBs: I thought Washington looked good flying around there and has a chance to stick. We ll have to see if they give him a chance to beat out Carey by getting some run with the first team kick coverage units. Its a tough competition in the secondary. With Diggs and Lawson playing well, maybe Hayden is a potential cut or maybe the Lions try to sneak Agnew to the practice squad.


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Just some notes after the preseason opener

QB: Brad Kaaya looked a lot better than the beat writers seem to be giving him credit for. He may be playing himself onto the roster. Rudock looked good though most of that was because of his mobility and Golladay making two great catches. Im not sure Rudock completes those balls to anyone else on the roster. I think mobility is an underrated trait in a backup QB - still have Rudock firmly ahead of Kaaya but maybe Kaaya bumps one of the DBs off the roster.

RB: Asiata looked mobile but there just wasnt anything there for him, might see different results if they actually make a block or two for him. Zenner looks like a legitimate backup - versatile, can catch, missed a block but a good blocker usually, reads blocks well. He s on the team. Im not so sure about Washington, they might be able to get him to the practice squad. Washington looks like he needs more time to figure things out. If Asiata shows something which he really didnt vs the Colts, he could beat out Washington. The kid Green looks like a tough runner, he should at least get a spot on the practice squad.

TE: Probably the most concerning group. Roberts looks like a skinny 275. Obviously needs to protect the ball better. What was interesting to me is he seems more comfortable receiving than blocking and I just cant help but wonder again why him over Jake Butt unless they see Roberts as an all around TE (he doesnt play like one). With Ebron on the roster at least for 2017 and 2018 you have to wonder what role Roberts will have. Its only our first glimpse of him in the Lions offense but I dunno, I expected him to look a little tougher in line. Im not sure Wick has much of a future in this league but I have him on the roster as of right now, could change if Roberts cleans things up a little or if Ebron comes back by the 3rd preseason game and shows he can take some snaps instead of being habitually out.

OL: Robinson looked far better than the Cornelius Lucas show we ve been accustomed to. Behind him, here s to hoping that Kouandijo gets some time this week and maybe we dont need to think about Corey Robinson or Lucas as swing tackles. As for Storm Norton, he looked like hot garbage - no power, looks like his feet are stuck in mud or that he s playing on roller skates. Doesnt even look like PS material.

Inside I think the Lions maybe have overvalued what they have in Graham Glasgow. He just doesnt look very good to me. He has a slow start last year as well, maybe its his thing. Tomlinson had a false start but he is physically better than Glasgow. It may be a football IQ issue but Im not sure the Lions line problems are solved even when Decker comes back. They still need some better punch on that interior.

WR: Golladay might be playing himself into a role which hurts someone like TJ Jones or Abrederis who was hoping to get a 3rd WR role. Ford looks good receiving the ball and looks the part but two illegal blocks cant help his cause. Maybe they can teach him that on the PS. Billingsley also looks like a fit for the offense we ve seen the last 23 games or so. I wonder if they ve ever thought about using him in the backfield as a sort of back up for Riddick's role. Keshawn Martin actually looked decent on WR screens. That 4th WR spot is up for grabs - I see it right now as Abrederis leading with Marting now ahead of TJ Jones. With two decent guys going to the practice squad in Ford and Billingsley I dont see the need to keep 5 especially when the backs can all catch and the TEs are more of receiving variety except Fells.

DE: O'Connor looked pretty good, he had a role in Valaoga's sack and another delayed run where the Colts runner fumbled. O Connor plays with hustle and seems to have more power than the other DE options the Lion s have healthy right now. Valaoga with his size is probably ahead of Barrett who picked up a hustle/coverage sack and probably at least makes the PS. Should be an exciting opportunity for these guys all with a chance to make an NFL opening day roster. Armonty Bryant though has to feel like there s a chance at a starting role waiting for him when he comes back. Will be keeping a closer eye on Zettel and Washington this week.

DT: Robinson looked good and has made some progress. The depth here though looked weak, they were getting pushed around into the LBers a little too often. Khyri Thornton was playing late in the game against 3rd stringers and should ve been making plays but wasnt that impressive. Spence looks like he s the 3rd DT but I d like to see a lil more from him as its too much to expect contribution from Ledbetter this season except for occassional passrushing downs. Jordan Hill still has a chance if he gets back on the field. Ego Ferguson looks okay but didnt stand out, he could get a spot if Hill s not healthy.

DBs: I thought Washington looked good flying around there and has a chance to stick. We ll have to see if they give him a chance to beat out Carey by getting some run with the first team kick coverage units. Its a tough competition in the secondary. With Diggs and Lawson playing well, maybe Hayden is a potential cut or maybe the Lions try to sneak Agnew to the practice squad.


I was really surprised by Kaaya after reading all the training camp news leading up to the game. Perhaps Kaaya is just not a practice guy, needs the game atmosphere to really click. He would have looked even better if not for a few guys missing easy catches.

It's way to early to be concerned about Roberts blocking. He came from Toledo, not a big time school and is playing one of the most complicated positions in the NFL. Fells should be a competent starter if Ebron misses time over the season, even with Ebron healthy, it wouldn't surprise me if Fells sees just as much time on the field as Ebron. Only way I see Wick making the team is if the Lions keep 4 TEs or there is an injury, Roberts 4th round status will lock him in at the last TE spot.

IMO Agnew has already locked in his roster spot. He's a good athlete, shown ok coverage so far, and looked like a guy you can trust as a punt returner. Diggs is just to limited in comparison to the other guys to stick this year unless he balls out of his mind the rest of the pre season. Diggs has no positional flexibility, he's a slot guy only and doesn't have the special teams upside Agnew and Bademosi can give.

I'm really interested to see what happens at safety. Carey hasn't been on the field and is an older player. Carey is a great special teamer, but Washington is looking good and Carter has taken very well to the position change. If Washington and/or Carter can handle Carey's ST duties it may make sense to stick with the younger healthier guys.


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I was really surprised by Kaaya after reading all the training camp news leading up to the game. Perhaps Kaaya is just not a practice guy, needs the game atmosphere to really click. He would have looked even better if not for a few guys missing easy catches.


I feel like he probably is in more drills and 7x7s during practice and not getting a lot of team reps, so maybe some of his poise and comfort behind center show more in a live scrimmage.

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It's way to early to be concerned about Roberts blocking. He came from Toledo, not a big time school and is playing one of the most complicated positions in the NFL. Fells should be a competent starter if Ebron misses time over the season, even with Ebron healthy, it wouldn't surprise me if Fells sees just as much time on the field as Ebron. Only way I see Wick making the team is if the Lions keep 4 TEs or there is an injury, Roberts 4th round status will lock him in at the last TE spot.


I agree Fells should be a very good addition for the team but having one guy at a TE isnt enough.

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IMO Agnew has already locked in his roster spot. He's a good athlete, shown ok coverage so far, and looked like a guy you can trust as a punt returner. Diggs is just to limited in comparison to the other guys to stick this year unless he balls out of his mind the rest of the pre season. Diggs has no positional flexibility, he's a slot guy only and doesn't have the special teams upside Agnew and Bademosi can give.


I feel like slot corner is more important than your 3rd LB and Diggs is good at it both in coverage and he s also a pretty good run support player who can tackle. He s ahead of everyone else they have in that role and playing on a rookie deal. If he stays ahead of the others than there s no way he s the one getting cut. He does play on some of the special teams or at least he did last year so he contributes there. Maybe if someone gives you something in a trade its easier to part with him but I d bet strongly against him getting flat out cut. Hayden makes more, Carey and Bademosi arent good defenders and make more, Washington and probably Agnew you could get onto the practice squad. It would be a really stubborn move to cut him.

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I'm really interested to see what happens at safety. Carey hasn't been on the field and is an older player. Carey is a great special teamer, but Washington is looking good and Carter has taken very well to the position change. If Washington and/or Carter can handle Carey's ST duties it may make sense to stick with the younger healthier guys.


Ill have to keep a closer eye on Carter this week. The ST coach has a major man crush on Carey, from what I understand he thinks Carey is one of the best all time on coverage units. It would be exciting to see Carter finally pan out though as I Caldwell couldnt seem to find one nice thing about Carter the entire time they ve had him.


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Notes from game 2

QB: Stafford had a couple of near INTs from balls that were combo of slightly off accuracy and/or poorly caught that could have been disastrous. Aside from that he looked pretty sharp and really started to heat up before they went with Rudock. Rudock got some valuable time with mostly the rest of the starting offense but came back down to Earth from last week s performance. He is looking like he will be a good backup as he develops. Kaaya was with mostly a truly 3rd unit and the Jets were blitzing so there were some protection breakdowns but he did some nice things, getting a ball out on a hot read with an unblocked blitzer for a completion. He looks worth developing to me.

RB: Abdullah looks like the quickest option and looks healthy. Is he as good as he was before? Can he stay healthy? This wont be answered until the regular season but he at least looks promising. He s not the guy you want back there picking up a blitz though which will limit his reps until he can get better at pass protection. Riddick s role will still be waiting for him when he gets back out there. Washington had one of his better outings since last preseason, but still looks like he s figuring things out. He s probably the 4th guy. Neither him or Zenner runs as hard as Asiata but cheap contracts and potential probably keep Asiata out despite being the best short distance runner on the team. I think there s still a place in the league for him but it might not be on the Lions roster trying to develop a lot of young players at multiple positions.

TE: Fells is looking solid. Roberts had a much better game with a couple of crusing lead blocks pulling ahead of the play and protected and caught the ball better.

OL: Robinson isnt exactly a turnstile but he does get beat a bit more than you d like to see. If he could stay on his blocks another moment or so things would be looking up. It may come as he learns the offense more. He looks better in pass protection than run right now which may be a sign of thinking a bit too much out there. Regardless he does appear to be servicable. It does not look like a catastrophic situation at this point. Kouandjio on the other hand looked a bit lost at times, he has decent quickness but didnt have much of a game. Storm Norton flipped to the right side mostly and he still looks like mostly camp fodder. The starting guards both got beaten a couple times but Swanson looked good. Glasgow took some second team reps at center, and Joe Dahl got a look at center also. Leo Koloamatangi looks like a PS option to me as a backup center but also got some run at guard. Brandon Thomas had a couple of good blocks but it may be a numbers game with how many lineman the team can keep.

DL: Zettel looks much improved from a year ago with his strength and instincts and has a good motor. Washington had an unblocked kill shot and otherwise looked good as did the rest of the first team DL including Spence who will get a lot of reps as the 3rd DT. Jordan Hill got onto the field and looked a bit rusty maybe a step slow but had good hands. Lions are taking some gambles with Spence, Hill, and Washington but all have some experience are 25-26 years old and the Lions have a chance at getting them at or near there prime seasons at a reasonable price. Sound strategy, we ll see if it pays off. Ledbetter showed improvement this week as well. Pat O Connor made some mistakes but holds the edge better than Valoaga and Barrett. None of them look out of place but might be thrust into roles a lil bit above there paygrade.

LB: Davis is the key offseason addition for the defense and looks like he has a ways to go before he s an impact player. He s servicable now, but he looks more reactive than instinctive, and the split second delay that causes changes if and where on the field a potential play gets made. Maybin didnt particularly standout but he looks like he s more decisive than Davis vs the run. Longa looked good on some of the first team ST coverage units but very slow to react on defense. He may have a job bc of his ST work. Williams appears to be ahead in the SAM LB role.

DB: Lawson and Slay are secure. Diggs stood out as the nickel and is an excellent run defending corner where he shined bright in this one. Hayden got some reps outside and Agnew was getting beat by Myles White but did tackle well after the catch. Don Carey has not been on the field and his tenure could be in jeopardy with Diggs taking over his gunner roll and performing well there too. Agnew didnt look impressive in the return game. Thornton looks like he s at his best with the ball in the air and looks good breaking up passes without contact. Looks like a PS player to me. Milligan made a couple nice plays as a reserve safety including the game ending INT.


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August 20th, 2017, 1:50 pm
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Post Re: Lions Camp Position Battles
Current 53 man roster prediction:

QB: Stafford/Rudock

RB: Abdullah/Riddick/Zenner/Washington

TE: Ebron/Fells/Roberts

WR: Tate/M Jones/TJ Jones/Golladay/Billingsley

OT: Robinson/Wagner/Kouandjio/Thomas (G/T)

*to my dismay Corey Robinson and Cornelius Lucas still have a chance here as Cyrus K did not have a good debut

OG: Glasgow/Lang/Tomlinson/Dahl

C: Swanson

K Prater
P Martin
LS Muhlbach


DE: Ansah/Zettel/Washington/O Connor/

DT: Robinson/Ngata/Spence/Hill/Ledbetter

OLB: Whitehead/Williams/Maybin

MLB: Davis/Worrilow/Longa

CB: Slay/Lawson/Diggs/Tabor/Agnew/Bademosi/Hayden

S: Quinn/Wilson/Killebrew/Washington/Carey



Practice Squad:

QB Kaaya, RB Green (runs tough good on kick coverage), WR Ford, C Koloamatangi, DE Barrett, DE Valoaga, CB Thornton, TE Tonyan, CB Barnes, TE Wick


August 20th, 2017, 2:03 pm
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Post Re: Lions Camp Position Battles
Projection after 3rd preseason game

QB: Stafford/Rudock
RB: Abdullah/Riddick/Zenner/Washington
TE: Fells/Ebron/Roberts
WR: Tate/Jones/Galladay/Jones/Billingsley
OT: Robinson/Wagner/Lucas/Kouandjio
OG: Glasgow/Lang/Tomlinson
C: Swanson/Dahl (G-C)

LS: Muhlbach
P: Redfern
K: Prater
(PR: Billingsley)
(KR: Washington)

DE: Washington/Zettel/O Connor/Barrett
DT: Robinson/Ngata/Spence/Hill/Ledbetter
OLB: Whitehead/Williams/Maybin/Longa
MLB: Davis/Worrilow
CB: Slay/Lawson/Diggs/Hayden/Tabor/Bademosi/Agnew
S: Quinn/Wilson/Killewbrew/Washington/Carey


Injury* (MIA expected to return): Sam Martin P, Ezekiel Ansah DE, Taylor Decker LT, Robinson OT
Suspended: Bryant DE, Thornton DT

PS: CB Thornton, DE Valoaga, DT Lyons, S Carter, C Koloamatangi, TE Tonyan, TE Wick, WR Ford, RB Green, QB Kaaya,


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