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Post We desperately need a good RB.
Ameer Abdullah now has 227 career rushing attempts. He has less than 1000 career rushing yards. And not even 1single 100 yards rushing in a game. He came close once.

I'm sorry. But, that just is nowhere near good enough. That is well below league average for a good RB. That is the reason opposing defenses can just pin their ears back and pass rush on every down. They don't have to respect our running game because they know they will only be burnt by one of our RBs maybe a couple times in a game.

Bill Polian has a saying that I completely agree with. "The RB makes the offensive line. Not, the other way around."

In the meantime, Kareem Hunt should have been our 2nd round pick and has 5 Career 100 yard rushing games in 5 attempts. (That is not hindsight on my part. I called for him to be our 2nd round pick a week or two before the draft.) And the bum we drafted in the 2nd can't even get on the game day active roster yet.


October 9th, 2017, 5:04 am
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Post Re: We desperately need a good RB.
Somewhat agree. Looks like Abdullah may have lost a step from his injury, but he can't run through holes that don't exist. We could have gotten Hunt in the 3rd round. Wonder if Quinn is kicking himself on that one?


October 9th, 2017, 7:54 am
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Abdullah has been quite good this year. Abdullah is getting yards after contact, whether you want to acknowledge it or not. He's constantly having to stop behind the line and change directions because the hole failed to ever exist. You're insane if you think that the plays calls that run to the left (behind Robinson and Glasgow) are remotely logical. I can generally call the plays sitting on my couch, that's how predictable they are.

The Panthers dominated because they were so unpredictable. They saw weaknesses in the D from 3 straight weeks and exploited those weaknesses. On D, they saw the tendencies and weaknesses in the O (OL and predictable play calling) and exploited it.

I know you have some crazy emotional weird feelings for Kareem Hunt, but even he wouldn't have 100yard games behind this OL with this pathetic badonkadonk play calling.

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October 9th, 2017, 6:03 pm
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Abdullah has been quite good this year. Abdullah is getting yards after contact, whether you want to acknowledge it or not. He's constantly having to stop behind the line and change directions because the hole failed to ever exist. You're insane if you think that the plays calls that run to the left (behind Robinson and Glasgow) are remotely logical. I can generally call the plays sitting on my couch, that's how predictable they are.

The Panthers dominated because they were so unpredictable. They saw weaknesses in the D from 3 straight weeks and exploited those weaknesses. On D, they saw the tendencies and weaknesses in the O (OL and predictable play calling) and exploited it.

I know you have some crazy emotional weird feelings for Kareem Hunt, but even he wouldn't have 100yard games behind this OL with this pathetic badonkadonk play calling.


Well, Bill Polian disagrees with you. And so do I. You think the Oline was all that good for Billy Sims? As soon as his career ended, that very same Oline looked like crap in front of James Jones.



We use to think the Jeff Backus/Dominick Raiola anchored line was good. UNTIL BARRY RETIRED! Then they started taking the brunt of he blame.

Yes, pass blocking, our current Oline has a lot of improvement to do. But, I bet Hunt would have at minimum,3 games of 100 yards rushing behind it already.


October 9th, 2017, 6:11 pm
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Umm, Backus and Raiola were drafted in 2001. Barry retired in 98...your comment makes as much sense as anime porn.

If Polian is still so brilliant, why is he on TV and not a GM still? The brilliance of Tony Dungy and Forehead Manning built and ran that team. When dungy and manning were gone...that team went down the tubes faster than rod marinelli.

Keep dreaming on Hunt having 3 of 4 100 yard games. That's just nuts. Hard to run the ball when you're behind by 20.

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Umm, Backus and Raiola were drafted in 2001. Barry retired in 98...your comment makes as much sense as anime porn.

If Polian is still so brilliant, why is he on TV and not a GM still? The brilliance of Tony Dungy and Forehead Manning built and ran that team. When dungy and manning were gone...that team went down the tubes faster than rod marinelli.

Keep dreaming on Hunt having 3 of 4 100 yard games. That's just nuts. Hard to run the ball when you're behind by 20.


So, I screwed up which Oline Barry had. The point remains just as valid. The Lomas Brown line wasn't much good without Barry either.

And I contend that we wouldn't be playing from behind if we had Hunt.


October 9th, 2017, 6:33 pm
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Hunt's running wouldn't make the oline look any better. I don't know how often Hunt gets hit behind the line, but if he were successful in Detroit it would be obvious that it was due to his ability not the oline. I don't even know of anyone that talked up the Detroit oline with Barry, all I ever heard growing up was how much better Barry would have been if he had Emmit Smith's oline. Hell the best Barry highlights that always stick in my mind are him getting hit behind the line and some how squirting his way out. Look at Dallas right now, they let players from their Oline leave and Elliot isn't looking like he did last season. Hunt would help the team a lot because he is a true dual threat with his catching ability and that would make the play calling harder to predict, not because he would drastically improve the run game.


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Hunt would help the team a lot because he is a true dual threat with his catching ability and that would make the play calling harder to predict, not because he would drastically improve the run game.


We have one of the best pass catching backs in the league...but the play calling is so predictable that he can't do anything. Abdullah is very, very underrated as a pass catcher, but again, when it's out of the shotgun, what do you expect? Predictable.

Better play calling would allow Abdullah and riddick to actually play to their strengths and their potential, which is not chump change. These guys are good.

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rao wrote:
Hunt would help the team a lot because he is a true dual threat with his catching ability and that would make the play calling harder to predict, not because he would drastically improve the run game.


We have one of the best pass catching backs in the league...but the play calling is so predictable that he can't do anything. Abdullah is very, very underrated as a pass catcher, but again, when it's out of the shotgun, what do you expect? Predictable.

Better play calling would allow Abdullah and riddick to actually play to their strengths and their potential, which is not chump change. These guys are good.


Zero 100 yard rushing games from either one of them ever. They suck at the most basic function of their position. The point of my post was not to glorify our Oline. It blows and needs to get better. The point is that good RB's still find ways to get 100 yards rushing even if their Oline stinks.

Our passing game would be so much better if we had a RB that could be a threat to run for 100 yards each game.
As we are right now, there is not a single defense in the league that focuses on stopping our running game. They all know that our running game stops our running game. So, all they need to focus on is not letting Golden Tate or Marvin Jones beat them. Then they worry about our RBs catching the ball.


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Post Re: We desperately need a good RB.
conversion02 wrote:
rao wrote:
Hunt would help the team a lot because he is a true dual threat with his catching ability and that would make the play calling harder to predict, not because he would drastically improve the run game.


We have one of the best pass catching backs in the league...but the play calling is so predictable that he can't do anything. Abdullah is very, very underrated as a pass catcher, but again, when it's out of the shotgun, what do you expect? Predictable.

Better play calling would allow Abdullah and riddick to actually play to their strengths and their potential, which is not chump change. These guys are good.


I agree Abdullah has the skills to be a dual threat, but I think his size prevents the Lions from featuring him. I would like to see them just leave Abdullah in for most of a game, even for plays they would normally use Riddick. It may sound cruel, but if Abdullah gets hurt he gets hurt, the Lions need to stop making it so easy to read their plays just by what RB they use. My point with Hunt is that with his size and skills you rarely have to take him off the field.


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Post Re: We desperately need a good RB.
rao wrote:
conversion02 wrote:
rao wrote:
Hunt would help the team a lot because he is a true dual threat with his catching ability and that would make the play calling harder to predict, not because he would drastically improve the run game.


We have one of the best pass catching backs in the league...but the play calling is so predictable that he can't do anything. Abdullah is very, very underrated as a pass catcher, but again, when it's out of the shotgun, what do you expect? Predictable.

Better play calling would allow Abdullah and riddick to actually play to their strengths and their potential, which is not chump change. These guys are good.


I agree Abdullah has the skills to be a dual threat, but I think his size prevents the Lions from featuring him. I would like to see them just leave Abdullah in for most of a game, even for plays they would normally use Riddick. It may sound cruel, but if Abdullah gets hurt he gets hurt, the Lions need to stop making it so easy to read their plays just by what RB they use. My point with Hunt is that with his size and skills you rarely have to take him off the field.


I agree, especially with Riddick's wrist still seeming to be healing. AA got 10 carries last game. Yeah, he was getting stuffed after the 16 yard run to start the game but JBC still gave up on it way too early, and it's not like the pass game was working in contrast. Abdullah needs 20 carries a game minimum, and a bunch of pass snaps because he's shifty and really adds a dimension to the offense. Riddick deserves a fair amount of snaps, but is basically non-existent between the tackles. Might as well use him in the slot.

The only real upgrade I see at RB would be a Blount type of runner for certain situations or an all-out beast that we'd be lucky to get in the 2nd like Le'Veon Bell or Dalvin Cook.


October 10th, 2017, 3:43 pm
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Post Re: We desperately need a good RB.
the lions badly need a 3 down back but quinn ignored this in the offseason just as he ignored improving that DL which IMO were the two biggest offseason needs. the way the Lions use there backs just adds to the predictability of the offense. they dont have a bell cow, the closest thing to a 3 down back on the roster - one that can block, catch and run inside/outside is actually Zack Zenner but he s limited athletically. Abdullah and Riddick are role players and Washington is a work in progress. We are probably in the bottom 5 of the league in terms of running back talent. none of the Lions runners scare anybody. even Riddick with all his receptions, craftiness and grit is limited by being too damn slow in a straight line.


October 11th, 2017, 11:55 pm
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Quinn pooped the bed in Rd 3. Passed on Foreman and Hunt thinking whatever the hell it was that he thought, and then picked a WR. This was as bad as Miller trading up to pick kevin smith at the top of Rd 3 and passing on Jamaal Charles that same round.

Abdullah will never be a real #1 back. He's a nice 2.

The line was fixed by Quinn. I read it here 100 times. We got rid of Reiff and Warford. They were the issue. All is good now.

The packers 4th string RB ran for 100 plus yards last weekend. A rookie. Drafted after Rd 5 I think. Lions are on a 4-5 year drought I think.

They'd need anothe guy who is as least as good as Abdullah. You can't do RB by committee with only one dude.

This was obvious last spring. Quinn sucks for screwing this up.

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Quinn pooped the bed in Rd 3. Passed on Foreman and Hunt thinking whatever the hell it was that he thought, and then picked a WR. This was as bad as Miller trading up to pick kevin smith at the top of Rd 3 and passing on Jamaal Charles that same round.

Abdullah will never be a real #1 back. He's a nice 2.

The line was fixed by Quinn. I read it here 100 times. We got rid of Reiff and Warford. They were the issue. All is good now.

The packers 4th string RB ran for 100 plus yards last weekend. A rookie. Drafted after Rd 5 I think. Lions are on a 4-5 year drought I think.

They'd need anothe guy who is as least as good as Abdullah. You can't do RB by committee with only one dude.

This was obvious last spring. Quinn sucks for screwing this up.


Im not going to say Quinn is x y or z. The team has been overachieving since Quinn has been here and they are getting some contributions from young cheap players - both great signs. I think Quinn knows that what he does in year 1 or year 2 isnt ultimately what he s going to be judged on so he s exhibited patience. If you look position by position at the roster they have most of them tucked away with good options for the next few years barring injury. The finishing touches on the roster are going to be a running back and another DT and DE. In this next offseason, if Quinn can flip RB from a big weakness to a big plus and make the passrush a bit better than the Lions may have a competitive playoff team not just a mediocre team that might sneak into the playoffs for a cameo.


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Some of BQ picks seem to be turning out nicely for sure. Your comment about next offseason was exactly where he was last spring. It was in his hands, but he outsmarted himself and screwed it up.

This offense would be a different animal with Hunt or Foreman sharing time with Abdullah.

The Lions have a 'hot mix' on defense this year. That might not be the case next year. Every year is different, even though we want to think all problems solved this year will stay that way. The opportunity to do what you said was here and now gone. It may not present itself again.

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