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Lions are signing LeGarrette Blount to a one-year deal worth $4.5 million.


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Lions are signing LeGarrette Blount to a one-year deal worth $4.5 million.


Havent seen that number but if true its really bizarre and Im not sure what it means for Bob Quinn. A year ago with the same needs Quinn wouldnt give Blount $1.25 million and not having that kind of power runner cost them at least one game probably two and a trip to the playoffs. Now he s paying triple when he could ve had a complete back in Carlos Hyde for just a little bit more. Quinn is showing his inexperience, he has little creativity and even less confidence in himself. He s chasing his own mistake with more money? Look at the Patriots, Dion Lewis leaves for big money and they sign a more talented runner in Jeremy Hill for less money. Thats the Patriot way, what the Lions have is a very green GM who had a great time riding the coattails for years and taking notes and preparing reports for Belichick but not making decisions on his own. Third offseason in and there still doesnt seem to be much of a plan, Quinn s lucky that the Lions already had Stafford, Tate, Ansah and Slay and a stable coach in Caldwell. Without that, Quinn would already be on the hot seat in year 3. The guy is decent at finding average players but doesnt appear to be able to find good ones.


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The Legend wrote:
liontrax wrote:
Lions are signing LeGarrette Blount to a one-year deal worth $4.5 million.


Havent seen that number but if true its really bizarre and Im not sure what it means for Bob Quinn. A year ago with the same needs Quinn wouldnt give Blount $1.25 million and not having that kind of power runner cost them at least one guy game probably two and a trip to the playoffs. Now he s paying triple when he could ve had a complete back in Carlos Hyde for just a little bit more. Quinn is showing his inexperience, he has little creativity and even less confidence in himself. He s chasing his own mistake with more money? Look at the Patriots, Dion Lewis leaves for big money and they sign a more talented runner in Jeremy Hill for less money. Thats the Patriot way, what the Lions have is a very green GM who had a great time riding the coattails for years and taking notes and preparing reports for Belichick but not making decisions on his own. Third offseason in and there still doesnt seem to be much of a plan, Quinn s lucky that the Lions already had Stafford, Tate, Ansah and Slay and a stable coach in Caldwell. Without that, Quinn would already be on the hot seat in year 3. The guy is decent at finding average players but doesnt appear to be able to find good ones.


The deal is only for $2M, but has $2.5M in incentives that could bring it to $4.5M.


March 17th, 2018, 1:04 am
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The Legend wrote:
liontrax wrote:
Lions are signing LeGarrette Blount to a one-year deal worth $4.5 million.


Havent seen that number but if true its really bizarre and Im not sure what it means for Bob Quinn. A year ago with the same needs Quinn wouldnt give Blount $1.25 million and not having that kind of power runner cost them at least one guy game probably two and a trip to the playoffs. Now he s paying triple when he could ve had a complete back in Carlos Hyde for just a little bit more. Quinn is showing his inexperience, he has little creativity and even less confidence in himself. He s chasing his own mistake with more money? Look at the Patriots, Dion Lewis leaves for big money and they sign a more talented runner in Jeremy Hill for less money. Thats the Patriot way, what the Lions have is a very green GM who had a great time riding the coattails for years and taking notes and preparing reports for Belichick but not making decisions on his own. Third offseason in and there still doesnt seem to be much of a plan, Quinn s lucky that the Lions already had Stafford, Tate, Ansah and Slay and a stable coach in Caldwell. Without that, Quinn would already be on the hot seat in year 3. The guy is decent at finding average players but doesnt appear to be able to find good ones.


The deal is only for $2M, but has $2.5M in incentives that could bring it to $4.5M.



My bad posting the higher figure before having any details. Got a veteran power back without a long term contract, might be why it cost a little more. But when you compare it to what the Giants are paying Stewart (6.9) for two years, it becomes a little more palatable. Really like the way Quinn is piecing together improvements without breaking the bank or making long term commitments.


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liontrax wrote:
rao wrote:
The Legend wrote:
liontrax wrote:
Lions are signing LeGarrette Blount to a one-year deal worth $4.5 million.


Havent seen that number but if true its really bizarre and Im not sure what it means for Bob Quinn. A year ago with the same needs Quinn wouldnt give Blount $1.25 million and not having that kind of power runner cost them at least one guy game probably two and a trip to the playoffs. Now he s paying triple when he could ve had a complete back in Carlos Hyde for just a little bit more. Quinn is showing his inexperience, he has little creativity and even less confidence in himself. He s chasing his own mistake with more money? Look at the Patriots, Dion Lewis leaves for big money and they sign a more talented runner in Jeremy Hill for less money. Thats the Patriot way, what the Lions have is a very green GM who had a great time riding the coattails for years and taking notes and preparing reports for Belichick but not making decisions on his own. Third offseason in and there still doesnt seem to be much of a plan, Quinn s lucky that the Lions already had Stafford, Tate, Ansah and Slay and a stable coach in Caldwell. Without that, Quinn would already be on the hot seat in year 3. The guy is decent at finding average players but doesnt appear to be able to find good ones.


The deal is only for $2M, but has $2.5M in incentives that could bring it to $4.5M.



My bad posting the higher figure before having any details. Got a veteran power back without a long term contract, might be why it cost a little more. But when you compare it to what the Giants are paying Stewart (6.9) for two years, it becomes a little more palatable. Really like the way Quinn is piecing together improvements without breaking the bank or making long term commitments.


I like the Blount signing but most of the others, I really dont like. Even with Blount, I like the Hyde and Hill signings much better. If you got one of those guys you might not have to draft a runner high depending on how the draft falls. With Blount, you still have to draft a runner fairly high. Two years ago the Lions front 7 couldnt get a coverage sack to save there lives as QBs could keep plays alive on them until someone finally came open. They couldnt cover TEs with there LBers. Quinn then drafts Maybin and Davis in an attempt to get more athletic up front. Now they re letting Whitehead walk but re-signed Bellore, Kennard and Jones. Headed back in the direction of bigger but slower and less athletic players. The Jones signing reminds me of the Patriots acquisition of Van Noy. Van Noy went from hot garbage to servicable but still really not even an average player with a limited skill set. That appears to also be Jones' upside, they could do so much better. Kennard makes some sense bc they needed someone to play that hybrid edge DE/LB spot for Patricia s defense but again not a very athletic player. Even with Shead he s a bigger slower corner. I understand that he can play some safety but the Lions have some good depth there already. Shead s a decent player but it makes you think Quinn doesnt have a lot of confidence in Tabor. The guard they got from San Diego - he s already 30 and has mostly struggled through his career. Its not like they cemented in a quality starter, he s really just competition for the underwhelming Joe Dahl. At TE they cut Ebron and probably the best they can hope for is Luke Wilson - again a decent player but not one thats going to scare defenses and another who does not have elite attributes. I really feel that these types of players should be the final few spots on the roster not the main targets of free agency when you enter with tons of money. Team athleticism seems to be regressing with these moves.

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Really like the way Quinn is piecing together improvements without breaking the bank or making long term commitments
- I think it shows more of his lack of experience and confidence. If he really believed in these players he d lock them up for 2-3 year deals in case they are good. If they arent - big deal the money isnt guaranteed anyways. If you notice, the Patriots generally will slip at least a 2nd year on the deal and if the player isnt good they ll cut them with little dead money.


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Also, does Quinn still think he s in the AFC East? Rodgers is in this division and Kirk Cousins is coming to Minnesota. There are actually good teams in this division with good QBs. They cant keep trying to play without a passrush. Last year in a draft filled with passrushers the Lions missed out time after time. A year later some of those players have be either been disappointing (Davis, Tabor) or dont fit (Maybin) and the Lions still dont have passrushers. Im wondering what the plan is now? Reaching in a draft devoid of passrushers? Packers just got Mo Wilkerson for a pretty reasonable $5m.


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The Legend wrote:
There isnt a point of creating cap space when you are not going to use the cap space. If the Lions played Ebron in 2018 and werent happy they could let his contract expire and potentially get draft pick compensation but they dont get anything in return by cutting him.
Cap space can be rolled over year to year, so creating space this year can still be worthwhile even if not used as we can roll it into next year.

Looks to me from this off-season that Quinn is seeing 2018 as a rebuild/bed in Patricia year, with the potential to save up some cap space to swing for the fences next year or the year after. Only move that doesn't fit into that really is franchising Ziggy, which seems an expensive way to try him out for another year and see if he can stay healthy.


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Does this mean our most pressing needs are DT, O-line, and TE? This could be the smallest / most defined list of needs the Lions have had in a very long time.

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I like the Blount signing but most of the others, I really dont like. Even with Blount, I like the Hyde and Hill signings much better. If you got one of those guys you might not
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to draft a runner high depending on how the draft falls. With Blount, you still have to draft a runner fairly high. Two years ago the Lions front 7 couldnt get a coverage sack to save there lives as QBs could keep plays alive on them until someone finally came open. They couldnt cover TEs with there LBers. Quinn then drafts Maybin and Davis in an attempt to get more athletic up front. Now they re letting Whitehead walk but re-signed Bellore, Kennard and Jones. Headed back in the direction of bigger but slower and less athletic players. The Jones signing reminds me of the Patriots acquisition of Van Noy. Van Noy went from hot garbage to servicable but still really not even an average player with a limited skill set. That appears to also be Jones' upside, they could do so much better. Kennard makes some sense bc they needed someone to play that hybrid edge DE/LB spot for Patricia s defense but again not a very athletic player. Even with Shead he s a bigger slower corner. I understand that he can play some safety but the Lions have some good depth there already. Shead s a decent player but it makes you think Quinn doesnt have a lot of confidence in Tabor. The guard they got from San Diego - he s already 30 and has mostly struggled through his career. Its not like they cemented in a quality starter, he s really just competition for the underwhelming Joe Dahl. At TE they cut Ebron and probably the best they can hope for is Luke Wilson - again a decent player but not one thats going to scare defenses and another who does not have elite attributes. I really feel that these types of players should be the final few spots on the roster not the main targets of free agency when you enter with tons of money. Team athleticism seems to be regressing with these moves.

As for for your comment
Quote:
Really like the way Quinn is piecing together improvements without breaking the bank or making long term commitments
- I think it shows more of his lack of experience and confidence. If he really believed in these players he d lock them up for 2-3 year deals in case they are good. If they arent - big deal the money isnt guaranteed anyways. If you notice, the Patriots generally will slip at least a 2nd year on the deal and if the player isnt good they ll cut them with little dead money.


I don't see a regression in athleticism. If they sign Wilson they get a guy 1 inch taller faster and more explosive than Ebron. IMO Wilson will be what Tate was when they picked him up, an underutilized weapon coming from a wonky offense that could have been used twice as much. Blount is actually as fast in a straight line as any of the other RBs on the roster other than Washington and he's like 30+ lbs heavier with a lot of wiggle for his size. Kennard has a very similar athletic profile to Whitehead, but with more weight. Shead isn't slow, he was a 4.5 guy in college and the Lions have needed a big corner to pair with Slay against some teams. Davis and JRM are going to get bigger and should make a good pair inside on 3-4 looks with Davis playing the Sam and JRM as the Will. You really can't say the team is regressing more of just staying the same. Hopefully the draft will be where they can add some better athletes to work with all the versatile vets Quinn has been adding.


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I'm starting to think the reason the Lions didn't make the one big signing like the last 2 years is because Ansah is the big signing in Quinn's eyes. He was going to be one of the top DL players available if not tagged and he costs $17M on the cap. If you look at him that way then this off-season is following the script from the last 2 years.


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Johnathan Hankins? Colts just let go, only 25, doesn't fit their scheme going forward.


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TruckinMack wrote:
Does this mean our most pressing needs are DT, O-line, and TE? This could be the smallest / most defined list of needs the Lions have had in a very long time.


RB - where s that No 1 back?
TE - Need a starter and a backup? Position that takes years to develop...we re the NBA G league watch a guy take his lumps then blossom and say bubye
OG/C - Need a starter. Wiggins is camp fodder that they decided to pay
OT - Need a higher level backup that could start in a pinch
DE - Still need a starter here and a prospect to develop. Dont sell me Hyder again, this is like Abdullah all over again with a worse injury and less talent to begin with.
DT - Really need 2 starters here and a rotational upgrade over Spence. Ashawn Robinson has been mostly disappointing but he s the best we have.
LB - They have Kennard and praying for 2nd or 3rd and long to get a bunch of DBs on the field. Davis, Maybin, Jones, Bellore - sorry I dont see it.
CB - If they liked Tabor they wouldnt need Shead. I think they re lucky to have kept Lawson but if they liked him that much they wouldnt have swung and missed on Sherman and Butler.


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Looks like the Redskins will beat us to the punch on Hankins. If there was any interest by the Lions.


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liontrax wrote:
Looks like the Redskins will beat us to the punch on Hankins. If there was any interest by the Lions.


DTs are getting released like once a day, so I'm sure they will have another option pop up on Monday.


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I've really been unimpressed with the Lions' efforts in FA. We have let players go with no real plan for replacing them and then made less than serious attempts at signing quality players. Hankins, Curry, Poe, Clayborn and what about all the folks they have brought in and let leave without a contract? Why haven't they brought in Bennie Logan, Marsellus Bennett, Kony Easely. There are still quality players out there that could be had for a decent offer even if it is Detroit!


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