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Post Rams @Lions.
Our defense is improving and played well enough to win today. Our offense is a massive disappointment and getting worse.


December 2nd, 2018, 5:20 pm
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BillySims wrote:
Our defense is improving and played well enough to win today. Our offense is a massive disappointment and getting worse.


Agree, great game by the D today, for most of the game contained Gurley and gave Goff fits. Lions Offense is a huge concern, teams will continue to take Galladay out of the picture, so need to have schemes to account for this. Ellington doing okay, keep some sneaky misdirect plays, but it will be a tough slog, the talent and weapons just aren't there.

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December 2nd, 2018, 5:56 pm
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Interesting game

- Aaron Donald was amazing and especially so against double teams.
- Ndamukong Suh had a good game but seems out of place playing nose, still overpenetrates and opens up gaps - doesnt really help his LBers, still more interested in trying to make the play himself
- Again little margin for error for the Lions who couldnt come away with some tough catches that might ve won the game for them both on offense and defense.
- Stafford looked like the better of the two QBs but the Lions mostly let Goff off the hook with his errant throws.
- Lions defense looks worlds better with Harrison and Ansah playing together. Curious if this is just going to be an unsustainable end of 2018 type thing or if the Lions are able to work something out with Ansah. If he s back you wonder if he ll ever help when the games are meaningful, if he s gone - how do you replace him?
- Really a mystery to me why Ashawn Robinson has seemed to fall out of favor with this coaching staff. When he plays he s very good.
- Mike Ford and Nevin Lawson could be part of next years secondary but looks like we need a FS and a 2nd good starting CB would really make a big impact.
- Bruce Ellington has done some nice things offensively and could be part of the WR group next year but the Lions need to find another legitimate receiving threat to match with Jones and Golladay that plays ahead of Ellington.
- Looked like addition by subtraction with Michael Roberts out. Stafford and Levine Toilolo building some chemistry. He could be the only TE back next year.
- Sam Martin just always leaves a bit to be desired, the Lions looked like they caught the Rams by surprise with the first onside kick but Martin badly choked. Otherwise he had a good day punting.


December 3rd, 2018, 1:50 am
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Mike Ford and Nevin Lawson could be part of next years secondary but looks like we need a FS and a 2nd good starting CB would really make a big impact.

Don't you think that Tracy Walker could be the heir apparent at FS or is he more likely to be fixtured SS? Agree we have a HUGE need for a solid CB opposite Slay. Teez appears to be a total bust at CB and I don't see Lawson getting any better. At this point, outside of Greedy Williams/LSU, I don't see any corners worthy of an early round selection. Might be best for the Lions to pursue a FA CB to improve the secondary, especially with the amount of cap space we'll have available.


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Mike Ford and Nevin Lawson could be part of next years secondary but looks like we need a FS and a 2nd good starting CB would really make a big impact.

Don't you think that Tracy Walker could be the heir apparent at FS or is he more likely to be fixtured SS? Agree we have a HUGE need for a solid CB opposite Slay. Teez appears to be a total bust at CB and I don't see Lawson getting any better. At this point, outside of Greedy Williams/LSU, I don't see any corners worthy of an early round selection. Might be best for the Lions to pursue a FA CB to improve the secondary, especially with the amount of cap space we'll have available.


IMO Mike Ford is going to be the player next year that gets some chances in the offseason, but is put behind the other CBs to start the year and fans will complain all season remembering the few big plays he made from this season. Lawson is probably gone if Quinn can hit on a FA CB next offseason. Quinn tried this year, but both his targets went other places and the team had to run Lawson out there for another year. Lawson's contract isn't bad enough to make him a goner, it's just ok enough I could see them keeping him or dropping him for some extra wiggle room later into the next season. Walker looks like he could be a very good replacement for GQ at FS, he has got the range/speed we've seen from GQ just not the experience or knowledge. GQ started as a CB before becoming a great FS and I don't expect Walker is going to be ready by next year. Maybe Walker and GQ could split a majority of the time next year to keep the FS spot at a good level next season. Tabor is going to go down as Quinn's worst career pick, I can't imagine he has a pick in the first 3 rounds ever turn out to be more unproductive and completely unable to contribute at an NFL level. Maybe they could put some weight on him and move him to SS to help cover receiving TEs as a role player. I loved his instincts in college, but he looks like he has no place playing CB in the NFL.


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Mike Ford and Nevin Lawson could be part of next years secondary but looks like we need a FS and a 2nd good starting CB would really make a big impact.

Don't you think that Tracy Walker could be the heir apparent at FS or is he more likely to be fixtured SS? Agree we have a HUGE need for a solid CB opposite Slay. Teez appears to be a total bust at CB and I don't see Lawson getting any better. At this point, outside of Greedy Williams/LSU, I don't see any corners worthy of an early round selection. Might be best for the Lions to pursue a FA CB to improve the secondary, especially with the amount of cap space we'll have available.



I think Walker could be the heir apparent but now is the time to test him. I would expect him to be thrown in quite a bit more these remaining games if they do think of him as the next FS.


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IMO Mike Ford is going to be the player next year that gets some chances in the offseason, but is put behind the other CBs to start the year and fans will complain all season remembering the few big plays he made from this season. Lawson is probably gone if Quinn can hit on a FA CB next offseason. Quinn tried this year, but both his targets went other places and the team had to run Lawson out there for another year. Lawson's contract isn't bad enough to make him a goner, it's just ok enough I could see them keeping him or dropping him for some extra wiggle room later into the next season. Walker looks like he could be a very good replacement for GQ at FS, he has got the range/speed we've seen from GQ just not the experience or knowledge. GQ started as a CB before becoming a great FS and I don't expect Walker is going to be ready by next year. Maybe Walker and GQ could split a majority of the time next year to keep the FS spot at a good level next season. Tabor is going to go down as Quinn's worst career pick, I can't imagine he has a pick in the first 3 rounds ever turn out to be more unproductive and completely unable to contribute at an NFL level. Maybe they could put some weight on him and move him to SS to help cover receiving TEs as a role player. I loved his instincts in college, but he looks like he has no place playing CB in the NFL


I think Ford is getting a good opportunity now and is showing some promise in coverage but could use help with tackling. As an undrafted FA though ur right, he wont have a lot of chances and could be one of the first to the chopping block on cut day next year but he should at least make it that far. I like the idea of developing someone with potential on the back end of the roster though Im not sure many front offices in the NFL actually do that - a lot of constant turnover trying to find someone marginally better on the back end of the roster.

Glover Quin has had a great run with the Lions but I think he s less likely to come back than Lawson. Quin really doesnt look the same and it stands out in coverage where he just cant help the corners as much and appears more than a step slow from prior years but also stands out more obviously in the run game where he really is out of place and too slow to the game far too often. I think they have to decide if Walker or someone else can do it these next 4 weeks and if unsure they better pick up a good option in the offseason.

Tabor looks terrible, curious to see how much longer they hold on to him.


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IMO Mike Ford is going to be the player next year that gets some chances in the offseason, but is put behind the other CBs to start the year and fans will complain all season remembering the few big plays he made from this season. Lawson is probably gone if Quinn can hit on a FA CB next offseason. Quinn tried this year, but both his targets went other places and the team had to run Lawson out there for another year. Lawson's contract isn't bad enough to make him a goner, it's just ok enough I could see them keeping him or dropping him for some extra wiggle room later into the next season. Walker looks like he could be a very good replacement for GQ at FS, he has got the range/speed we've seen from GQ just not the experience or knowledge. GQ started as a CB before becoming a great FS and I don't expect Walker is going to be ready by next year. Maybe Walker and GQ could split a majority of the time next year to keep the FS spot at a good level next season. Tabor is going to go down as Quinn's worst career pick, I can't imagine he has a pick in the first 3 rounds ever turn out to be more unproductive and completely unable to contribute at an NFL level. Maybe they could put some weight on him and move him to SS to help cover receiving TEs as a role player. I loved his instincts in college, but he looks like he has no place playing CB in the NFL


I think Ford is getting a good opportunity now and is showing some promise in coverage but could use help with tackling. As an undrafted FA though ur right, he wont have a lot of chances and could be one of the first to the chopping block on cut day next year but he should at least make it that far. I like the idea of developing someone with potential on the back end of the roster though Im not sure many front offices in the NFL actually do that - a lot of constant turnover trying to find someone marginally better on the back end of the roster.



Glover Quin has had a great run with the Lions but I think he s less likely to come back than Lawson. Quin really doesnt look the same and it stands out in coverage where he just cant help the corners as much and appears more than a step slow from prior years but also stands out more obviously in the run game where he really is out of place and too slow to the game far too often. I think they have to decide if Walker or someone else can do it these next 4 weeks and if unsure they better pick up a good option in the offseason.

Tabor looks terrible, curious to see how much longer they hold on to him.



Agree Quinn isn't playing up to what we've come to expect from him. Wondering if it's scheme? Isn't fully comfortable within the new system? As for Tabor, maybe a switch to Safety would benefit him, nothing to lose at this point.


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When I look at Tabor I just wonder what the strength is. I mean what does he do well. He gets beat pretty quickly off the line on quick slot receivers, I dont think he s good in press coverage, cant cover deep. Maybe he can play zone a bit but not really all that disciplined there and maybe he s decent in a redzone against a bigger receiver. His tackling and willingness to play run support isnt impressive and I think thats a big problem for him if he switches to safety. I dont see him being an upgrade over Quin or Diggs at there spots. Maybe he could do better on a team that doesnt allow opponents so much time to throw but I just have a hard time seeing switch to safety unless maybe its a 3 safety type of defense.


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When I look at Tabor I just wonder what the strength is. I mean what does he do well. He gets beat pretty quickly off the line on quick slot receivers, I dont think he s good in press coverage, cant cover deep. Maybe he can play zone a bit but not really all that disciplined there and maybe he s decent in a redzone against a bigger receiver. His tackling and willingness to play run support isnt impressive and I think thats a big problem for him if he switches to safety. I dont see him being an upgrade over Quin or Diggs at there spots. Maybe he could do better on a team that doesnt allow opponents so much time to throw but I just have a hard time seeing switch to safety unless maybe its a 3 safety type of defense.


I was thinking in 3 safety sets. No way Tabor can play in 2 safety sets as he is now. There is still the possibility that his play could take a leap when he has the play developing in font of him at safety, but I'm doubtful given how little he has developed so far.


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