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I am not sure but I hate losing picks no matter what...I'm greedy like that :lol:


Me too. Why can't we have 12 picks like the Eagles??? I would love to be picking 31st...as long as we had the SB appearance...12 picks in the draft is outrageous...

I wouldn't mind seeing Loverne cut. Cap hit would be about $350K, but we'd save $1.3M in salary. I say cut him, and possibly Joyce. Joyce is the better of the two IMO. But with the addition of Kosier, I say cut both. Cutting Joyce would only free up about $450K if I'm correct.


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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... CBKIJ1.DTL

Kosier was voted the 49ers best OL last year by his teammates, worth a 7th round pick IMO.

I don't believe V. Rogers has signed yet, I'm wondering what this does to his status.

As for Loverne and Joyce, based on what I've seen from a pure playing standpoint I would rather keep Joyce. He is a better LG IMO and can play both tackle and guard positions.

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I wouldn't pull the trigger on ol' Earl just yet guys. :idea: He has probably been are most solid defensive player since we got him. He doesn't get hurt and he is the only one out there sticken his mug in peoples faces and making takles when the rest of the D is bumbling around with their tail between their legs against the good teams. :x He's the backbone of that defense, like it on paper or not. I'd fire big daddy's nonproducing butt :shock: in a heartbeat before i'd get rid of a producer with an attitude. Any bulk can take up space next to SROG and I thought M. Bell was pretty champy last year and would like to see him get some more snaps this year anyway. He's pretty bulky himself ya'know :wink:


April 20th, 2005, 12:16 pm
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That's what Big Daddy's job is, to clog up the middle. He does a good job at that. Holmes "mops up" what's left over. It's not that Big Daddy isn't producing and Holmes is a stud. I'm sure you'd be saying the same thing about Rainer or Lehman if they were playing middle all year. Remember how Urlacher was a super stud when he had Ted Washington in front of him? Without Ted, Urlacher's not so great anymore.


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That's what Big Daddy's job is, to clog up the middle. He does a good job at that. Holmes "mops up" what's left over. It's not that Big Daddy isn't producing and Holmes is a stud. I'm sure you'd be saying the same thing about Rainer or Lehman if they were playing middle all year. Remember how Urlacher was a super stud when he had Ted Washington in front of him? Without Ted, Urlacher's not so great anymore.


I realize the task he performs but we have a stud in SROG which deminishes Big D's importance and we have another takle on the roster that can perform that task for less money. Holmes has been a good middle linebacker his whole career no matter who they put in front of him
he has never had a production fall off. Urlacher and Lehman are not as stout as Earl against the run I don't care who you put in front of them they aren't take on the blocker type of linebackers. Urlacher was a saftey before he gained his fame as a blitzer in the NFL. The book is still out on whether Teddy would be affective in the middle and the fact that Wali Rainer a player who led his two previous teams in takles and is a solid MLB himself hasn't unseated Earl yet indicates to me"stud". To say that all MLB's do is "mop up what's left over" tells me you have never experienced nor conceive what it is like to take on men 50 to 70 pounds heavier and usually quite a bit taller than you, shedd them to make the play, and then do it again and again and again. There is a difference between a D lineman being productive and just taking up space. Big Daddy by most would not only be considered unproductive but a bust his whole career. If Luther Ellis was playing next to him instead of SROG everybody in Dtown would be screaming for his head but since Rogers produces everybodys quick to pat Daddy on the back I'm telling you he's dispendeble at his cap price with M. Bell on the roster more so then Holmes.


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Cutting Loverne would generate about $100,000 in cap space.

If we cut Marion we lose $575,000 in cap space.


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How do you come up with $100K? From what I'm looking at, I can't figure out how you got that number.


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conversion02 wrote:
How do you come up with $100K? From what I'm looking at, I can't figure out how you got that number.


Okay, I'm looking at NetRat's Salary Cap spreadsheet.

In 2005 Lovourne is shceduled to make $540,000 in base and his bonus allocation is $166,667.

In 2006 Lovourne is scheduled to make $800,000 in base and his bonus allocation is $166,667.

I add the bonuses together...

$166,667 + $166,667 = $333,334

Then I take the sum and subtract it from his 2005 base...

$540,000 - $333,334 = $206,666

After checking my work, I see that did my quick math wrong and missed a 100k.

So is $206,666 what you came up with?


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I strongly disagree with the assessment of Wilkinson. The guy is still a powerhouse. When he first came into the league he was clocked with ridiculous speed for a DT and was looked at as a possible pass rush threat from DT. He has not lived up to that but he is hardly a bust. He rarely gets pushed off the LOS even with double teams, you cant run at this guy. BD doing his job is a big reason that Holmes and others on the DL played so well last season. The point was made that if the DL does their job the Backers get an easier path to the ballcarriers. One goal of the DL is to not allow the heavier OL to maul the LBs. I agree that Bell played well last season but he is not the force that Wilkinson is holding the LOS. Bell tries to penetrate more which can lead to stuffs but also leaves the LBs with a tougher task. Wilkinson and Rogers are both needed to occupy O-Lineman, one alone will not suffice and I think Bell is more of a backup to Rogers than a complement to him in most situations. I would like to see Wilkinson back unless there is a better alternative than Bell, perhaps Redding making the move inside or a draft pick...


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any chance of cutting david loverne?


Probable not, he's a veteran which is good and I think he's a damn good backup, thats what are intentions were when we signed him, as a backup but Soloman Page didnt pain out as we hoped...

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Someone's more than likely to go, whether it be Joyce or Loverne. I can't see the Lions keeping both. They just don't have a need to keep them both. Joyce is more versatile, but I think neither is very good.


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Victor Rogers resigned, so we will probably cut some of our O-linemen now. Kosier can play OT or OG, so the cuts could come from anywhere. I don't like the idea of cutting Holmes just because of the mentoring ability he has. Keep in mind we're teaching Lehman the spot and possibly bringing in a new young MLB. They do need a teacher and Holmes has been one of the most dependable MLB's in the league. As for Az, he'll probably restructure his contract now that we signed KJ because he knows the signing made him expendable. I think Holt will have the starting FS job this year, unless we draft Poole, so Marion may want to consider retirement. We also resigned Vernon Fox, is he strong or free? And lastly did anyone get an answer to the question on the difference in Marion retiring or being cut as far as cap room?


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If they draft DJ and keep Holmes, that would mean there would be 8 LBs on the roster...that's a bunch. 7 is the max I could see them keeping. Would Davis get the axe? Or Rainer and put Lehman as the backup MLB?

Good post Amaru0.

Fox is a SS. I can't really see him being re-signed.


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If they draft DJ and keep Holmes, that would mean there would be 8 LBs on the roster...that's a bunch. 7 is the max I could see them keeping. Would Davis get the axe? Or Rainer and put Lehman as the backup MLB?

Good post Amaru0.

Fox is a SS. I can't really see him being re-signed.


When's the last time we went into the season without a linebacker on the pup list, something tells me 1 extra LB in Allen Park isn't a bad thing. Having said that James Davis would be my choice for odd man out. :?: He got abused by TE's on the strong side last year in place of Boss and that's even with the added weight. Don't forget about D.Curry he's young too and is a better special teamer than Davis. I think Alex Lewis did a pretty good job last year, shakey at times but decent as a nickel backer. If we draft D.Johnson the roster glut is on the weakside. To bad Dirty didn't lose twenty pounds instead of gaining, we could use him at saftey more than LB plus I liked him better lighter and faster his rookie year.


The fact that Lehman took the most snaps last year on D probably points to a depth issue whether due to injury or otherwise maybe there is a way that we could use Holmes, Lehman, Boss, and DJ provided we get him that sounds like a pretty good problem to me. DJ with all his int's in college sounds like he will be good on passing downs in coverage and blitzing. So maybe we ease him in the lineup by letting him be a specialist until we find the right mix. Or he might just be so awesome that we switch to the ol MSU 6-1 defense like Percy Snow used to run! :lol:


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Or he might just be so awesome that we switch to the ol MSU 6-1 defense like Percy Snow used to run! :lol:


Haha, now that'd be a hell of a sight...

I would be giddy as a schoolgirl if drafted DJ...then maybe we would see some blitzing come Sundays. Maybe Jauron will get created and do some crazy stuff like Philly.


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