ya atleast Momo and Williams won't run for as many losses. I'm just really worried about Jahvid Best's career and his life after football. The amount of concussions he's recieved is flat out scary and he's only 23-24. I would sit him for sure until after the bye week and if it happens again, I'd consider putting him on IR
Being from the bay area and a Cal fan that was his biggest issue, he's very concussion prone. IMO he's not built to be an every down back. He needs to be a 3rd down back ala Sproles. His body just cant take the pounding. Lions need a back that can pound it between the tackles and wear down the defense then let Best come in and kill them with his speed. Or even use a 2 back system and have Best as a recieving back. 9ers are finding alot of success with Gore pounding the rock and then letting our rookie come in late in games when the D is tired. Our last drive yesterday we had a fresh Hunter come in and have two big runs that were like 9 yards a piece.
There's small backs that can take the pounding like a MJD or a Ray Rice, but those guys are built like a tank.
We have that cowbell back - he's on IR with a torn Achilles. Mikel leshoure.
ah, he was drafted this year right? How was Best utilized last year? Just asking as i dont see Lions games often
October 17th, 2011, 10:09 pm
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Re: GAMEDAY THREAD: Lions vs. 49ers
Yeah, 2nd round
Last year, Best was used in the same role as he is this year, and absolutely ripped it upnin the first 3 games, then the turf toe hit...on both feet. After game 3, he was playing hurt the rest of the season
Last year, Best was used in the same role as he is this year, and absolutely ripped it upnin the first 3 games, then the turf toe hit...on both feet. After game 3, he was playing hurt the rest of the season
Ah, i remember him getting the turf toe, didnt know if he was an every down back or not
This video still scares me to this day. Such a brutal landing.
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October 18th, 2011, 12:08 am
Killwill25
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Re: GAMEDAY THREAD: Lions vs. 49ers
Bests first concussion this year was a head on collision with Joe Haden in the preseason and this one vs SF it looked like he got tackled by another DB and his head just sort of drove into the ground due to momentum. He should not be an everydown back even though we use him that way because when he is in, he runs very hard and leads with his head when finishing off runs instead of protecting himself. He just gets very reckless in the open field sometimes and thats prolly what has made him such a threat.
just my opinion
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October 18th, 2011, 12:19 am
inheritedlionsfan
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Re: GAMEDAY THREAD: Lions vs. 49ers
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Officials gave 49ers five free yards on game-winning drive Posted by Michael David Smith on October 18, 2011, 9:41 AM EDT Justin Smith, Jahvid Best AP
The bad blood between Jim Harbaugh and Jim Schwartz has so overshadowed Sunday’s 49ers-Lions game that we’ve barely even discussed what the players on the field for these two 5-1 teams did on Sunday.
Unfortunately, we’ve now got another controversy coming out of this game that has nothing to do with the players: At the start of the 49ers’ game-winning drive, they were given five free yards when the officials spotted the ball in the wrong place.
It all started with the Lions leading 19-14 and punting from their own 36-yard line with five and a half minutes left in the fourth quarter. San Francisco’s Ted Ginn fielded the punt at his own 25 and got off a good return, crossing midfield before getting pushed out of bounds at the Lions’ 40-yard line.
And then, when they came back from the commercial break, the officials spotted the ball at the Lions’ 35-yard line, putting the 49ers five yards closer to the goal line. There wasn’t a five-yard penalty, it was simply that the officials put the ball on the wrong yard line following the break in the action. The Lions didn’t notice, the TV announcers didn’t notice, and if any members of the media noticed, it got drowned out in the Harbaugh-Schwartz hubbub. Matt Maiocco of CSNBayArea.com appears to have been the first reporter to mention the issue; he was alerted to it by a fan on Twitter.
It took the 49ers eight plays to go 35 yards, and they eventually scored on a fourth-down pass from Alex Smith to Delanie Walker. Obviously, it’s entirely possible that they would have scored if they had needed to go 40 yards, too. But the Lions would have preferred not to give the 49ers a free five yards on a crucial drive.
The 49ers were called for 15 penalties on Sunday, and they were the ones doing most of the complaining about the officiating after the game, with receiver Michael Crabtree saying referee Mike Carey had an “attitude,” and cornerback Chris Culliver saying the officials were “Detroit fans.” But on balance the bad calls seem to have hurt the Lions more: There was also a questionable ruling that Matthew Stafford’s forward progress had stopped in the end zone on a safety, and a bad horse-collar tackle call against the Lions helped to set up a 49ers field goal.
Maybe instead of yelling at Harbaugh to learn the rules, Schwartz should have been yelling at Carey to learn the rules.
Dunno if this was posted yet, but there's gotta be some explanation for this somewhere?
October 18th, 2011, 10:56 am
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Re: GAMEDAY THREAD: Lions vs. 49ers
inheritedlionsfan wrote:
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Officials gave 49ers five free yards on game-winning drive Posted by Michael David Smith on October 18, 2011, 9:41 AM EDT Justin Smith, Jahvid Best AP
The bad blood between Jim Harbaugh and Jim Schwartz has so overshadowed Sunday’s 49ers-Lions game that we’ve barely even discussed what the players on the field for these two 5-1 teams did on Sunday.
Unfortunately, we’ve now got another controversy coming out of this game that has nothing to do with the players: At the start of the 49ers’ game-winning drive, they were given five free yards when the officials spotted the ball in the wrong place.
It all started with the Lions leading 19-14 and punting from their own 36-yard line with five and a half minutes left in the fourth quarter. San Francisco’s Ted Ginn fielded the punt at his own 25 and got off a good return, crossing midfield before getting pushed out of bounds at the Lions’ 40-yard line.
And then, when they came back from the commercial break, the officials spotted the ball at the Lions’ 35-yard line, putting the 49ers five yards closer to the goal line. There wasn’t a five-yard penalty, it was simply that the officials put the ball on the wrong yard line following the break in the action. The Lions didn’t notice, the TV announcers didn’t notice, and if any members of the media noticed, it got drowned out in the Harbaugh-Schwartz hubbub. Matt Maiocco of CSNBayArea.com appears to have been the first reporter to mention the issue; he was alerted to it by a fan on Twitter.
It took the 49ers eight plays to go 35 yards, and they eventually scored on a fourth-down pass from Alex Smith to Delanie Walker. Obviously, it’s entirely possible that they would have scored if they had needed to go 40 yards, too. But the Lions would have preferred not to give the 49ers a free five yards on a crucial drive.
The 49ers were called for 15 penalties on Sunday, and they were the ones doing most of the complaining about the officiating after the game, with receiver Michael Crabtree saying referee Mike Carey had an “attitude,” and cornerback Chris Culliver saying the officials were “Detroit fans.” But on balance the bad calls seem to have hurt the Lions more: There was also a questionable ruling that Matthew Stafford’s forward progress had stopped in the end zone on a safety, and a bad horse-collar tackle call against the Lions helped to set up a 49ers field goal.
Maybe instead of yelling at Harbaugh to learn the rules, Schwartz should have been yelling at Carey to learn the rules.
Dunno if this was posted yet, but there's gotta be some explanation for this somewhere?
You can make a real argument that the refs cost us this game--it was like a bad flashback to last year in that respect.
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October 18th, 2011, 11:53 am
TheRealWags
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Re: GAMEDAY THREAD: Lions vs. 49ers
thelomasbrowns wrote:
inheritedlionsfan wrote:
Quote:
Officials gave 49ers five free yards on game-winning drive Posted by Michael David Smith on October 18, 2011, 9:41 AM EDT Justin Smith, Jahvid Best AP
The bad blood between Jim Harbaugh and Jim Schwartz has so overshadowed Sunday’s 49ers-Lions game that we’ve barely even discussed what the players on the field for these two 5-1 teams did on Sunday.
Unfortunately, we’ve now got another controversy coming out of this game that has nothing to do with the players: At the start of the 49ers’ game-winning drive, they were given five free yards when the officials spotted the ball in the wrong place.
It all started with the Lions leading 19-14 and punting from their own 36-yard line with five and a half minutes left in the fourth quarter. San Francisco’s Ted Ginn fielded the punt at his own 25 and got off a good return, crossing midfield before getting pushed out of bounds at the Lions’ 40-yard line.
And then, when they came back from the commercial break, the officials spotted the ball at the Lions’ 35-yard line, putting the 49ers five yards closer to the goal line. There wasn’t a five-yard penalty, it was simply that the officials put the ball on the wrong yard line following the break in the action. The Lions didn’t notice, the TV announcers didn’t notice, and if any members of the media noticed, it got drowned out in the Harbaugh-Schwartz hubbub. Matt Maiocco of CSNBayArea.com appears to have been the first reporter to mention the issue; he was alerted to it by a fan on Twitter.
It took the 49ers eight plays to go 35 yards, and they eventually scored on a fourth-down pass from Alex Smith to Delanie Walker. Obviously, it’s entirely possible that they would have scored if they had needed to go 40 yards, too. But the Lions would have preferred not to give the 49ers a free five yards on a crucial drive.
The 49ers were called for 15 penalties on Sunday, and they were the ones doing most of the complaining about the officiating after the game, with receiver Michael Crabtree saying referee Mike Carey had an “attitude,” and cornerback Chris Culliver saying the officials were “Detroit fans.” But on balance the bad calls seem to have hurt the Lions more: There was also a questionable ruling that Matthew Stafford’s forward progress had stopped in the end zone on a safety, and a bad horse-collar tackle call against the Lions helped to set up a 49ers field goal.
Maybe instead of yelling at Harbaugh to learn the rules, Schwartz should have been yelling at Carey to learn the rules.
Dunno if this was posted yet, but there's gotta be some explanation for this somewhere?
You can make a real argument that the refs cost us this game--it was like a bad flashback to last year in that respect.
Sorry, but I disagree. Its not as if 1 or 2 plays/bad calls cost the game. The Lions need to be a good enough team where the occasional lapse, by player, coach or official, doesn't matter. They're on their way, but they're not there just yet.
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October 18th, 2011, 12:06 pm
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Re: GAMEDAY THREAD: Lions vs. 49ers
TheRealWags wrote:
thelomasbrowns wrote:
You can make a real argument that the refs cost us this game--it was like a bad flashback to last year in that respect.
Sorry, but I disagree. Its not as if 1 or 2 plays/bad calls cost the game. The Lions need to be a good enough team where the occasional lapse, by player, coach or official, doesn't matter. They're on their way, but they're not there just yet.
Look at the (admittedly theoretical) point differential on the Pettigrew chop block alone.
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October 18th, 2011, 12:30 pm
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Re: GAMEDAY THREAD: Lions vs. 49ers
thelomasbrowns wrote:
TheRealWags wrote:
thelomasbrowns wrote:
You can make a real argument that the refs cost us this game--it was like a bad flashback to last year in that respect.
Sorry, but I disagree. Its not as if 1 or 2 plays/bad calls cost the game. The Lions need to be a good enough team where the occasional lapse, by player, coach or official, doesn't matter. They're on their way, but they're not there just yet.
Look at the (admittedly theoretical) point differential on the Pettigrew chop block alone.
Doesn't matter. There were plenty of other plays that should have been made, and if they had, the Pettigrew-play would not have mattered.
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October 18th, 2011, 12:43 pm
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Re: GAMEDAY THREAD: Lions vs. 49ers
TheRealWags wrote:
thelomasbrowns wrote:
TheRealWags wrote:
thelomasbrowns wrote:
You can make a real argument that the refs cost us this game--it was like a bad flashback to last year in that respect.
Sorry, but I disagree. Its not as if 1 or 2 plays/bad calls cost the game. The Lions need to be a good enough team where the occasional lapse, by player, coach or official, doesn't matter. They're on their way, but they're not there just yet.
Look at the (admittedly theoretical) point differential on the Pettigrew chop block alone.
Doesn't matter. There were plenty of other plays that should have been made, and if they had, the Pettigrew-play would not have mattered.
Technically, one play was really the difference in the game. The Pett magical cut block put us on the outside edge of FG range (52 yards) rather than a 1st and goal at the 2. That was a difference of 3 points (taking the game into OT), or winning the game (Niners would have had to score twice at the end to win (more than the freebie FG that the Lions gave them).
You can make a real argument that the refs cost us this game--it was like a bad flashback to last year in that respect.
Sorry, but I disagree. Its not as if 1 or 2 plays/bad calls cost the game. The Lions need to be a good enough team where the occasional lapse, by player, coach or official, doesn't matter. They're on their way, but they're not there just yet.
Look at the (admittedly theoretical) point differential on the Pettigrew chop block alone.
Doesn't matter. There were plenty of other plays that should have been made, and if they had, the Pettigrew-play would not have mattered.
Technically, one play was really the difference in the game. The Pett magical cut block put us on the outside edge of FG range (52 yards) rather than a 1st and goal at the 2. That was a difference of 3 points (taking the game into OT), or winning the game (Niners would have had to score twice at the end to win (more than the freebie FG that the Lions gave them).
Or, regardless of the circumstance, if Hanson would've made that FG (plenty of leg just off target), then its likely SF doesn't score before halftime, and we're still going into OT.
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October 18th, 2011, 1:11 pm
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Re: GAMEDAY THREAD: Lions vs. 49ers
woulda, shoulda, coulda
Lions lost a game. Let's move on......
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October 18th, 2011, 1:37 pm
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Re: GAMEDAY THREAD: Lions vs. 49ers
m2karateman wrote:
woulda, shoulda, coulda
Lions lost a game. Let's move on......
yep
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October 18th, 2011, 1:53 pm
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Re: GAMEDAY THREAD: Lions vs. 49ers
Since I was going to discuss both teams I didn't want to start a new thread, and I believe some of what I wanted to say fell within the confines of this room anyway.
1st. Has anyone noticed that the Lions haven't gotten to the Qb like last year? They've created pressure but not sacks! I may be off on this but it seems to me, Suh alone was meeting at the QB more often, this year not so much.
2nd. I saw where a lions fan had claimed that Smith had a noodle arm, but let me ask if it really matters. If you throw the ball when it matters, i.e. the winning touchdown, does it matter that he can't throw the ball 60 yds? Stafford can throw 60 yds and he was wide right on Calvin. What Alex did was manage the game, not make any mistakes, and get the ball to the play maker who happend to be the RB's.
3rd. SF has shown what an almost complete team with a solid coach can do. Had we been able to shut down the run, and make them one dimentional, Mr. SMith would have been highlighted for his "noodle" arm. But it wasn't the case. Now we've illustrated via San Fran and others how to beat us.
4th. I'm not going to down play the Lions, because they've ignited hope in a city that didn't have any. They've generated life like rain to the desert, and that is awesome for Michigan, and great for Lions fans. I don't have answers on how to get more aggressive with the defense so that we can begin meeting at the QB, but we've got go along for the ride, hoping our brilliant coaching staff will get it figured out.
Finally, Congrats again to SF, you have a bright future in a weak division, and will only get stronger as the year goes on, barring injuries. It was great to see such a physical contest, that was like watching two heavy weights trade shots. We'll meet again, and well let's hope for another great game.
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