Suh appeal hearing coming tomorrow Posted by Mike Florio on November 30, 2011, 8:34 PM EST
Lions defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh has been suspended two games by the NFL. He has filed an appeal, and a resolution will occur by Sunday, when the Lions face the Saints.
Before the appeal can be resolved, a hearing must be held. Per multiple reports, the hearing will be conducted on Thursday at 3:00 p.m. ET.
Under the league’s procedures for on-field infractions, appeals are handled by Art Shell (pictured) or Ted Cottrell. Though both men are jointly appointed and compensated by the NFL and the NFLPA, league exec Ray Anderson makes the specific appointment for each case. In this case, Anderson appointed Shell.
Any of the lawyers in the crowd know where this one is going. Since Anderson can make the selection of the person who will hear the appeal of the decision that Anderson made with Merton Hanks, Anderson has the ability to steer the case toward the man who is perceived to be more likely to generate the outcome that the league office desires. Anderson will be able to predict the outcome based on the respective track records of Shell and Cottrell.
As to Suh, it’s possible that the league would prefer to have the suspension reduced from two games to one, since that would demonstrate to the players, the media, and the fans that the appeal process is meaningful and independent.
Regardless, we’ll know the outcome soon. I’m predicting a one-game suspension and a one-game fine, with Suh permitted to return for Week 14 against the Vikings.
Jamie Samuelsen, the sports director for the morning show on WCSX-FM (94.7), blogs for freep.com. His opinions do not necessarily reflect those of the Detroit Free Press nor its writers. You can reach him at firstname.lastname@example.org, follow him on Twitter @jamiesamuelsen and read more of his opinions at freep.com/jamie.
With the Lions slipping in their playoff run and Ndamukong Suh out for two games, how much scrutiny should head coach Jim Schwartz come under?
Sports can be pretty fickle. When the Lions were 5-0 and the (dirty) darlings of the NFL, coach Jim Schwartz was lauded as front-runner for coach of the year. His surliness set the perfect tone for his team and the Lions responded to put together a perfect start. One bad handshake and intentional stomp later, and now Schwartz has become some sort of league-wide example for the enabling parent. Apparently, according to the narrative, Ndamukong Suh is just problem child and if Schwartz ruled with an iron fist, his star defensive lineman would morph into the perfect player and would abide by every rule in the book.
Anyone else see an inconsistency here?
Schwartz is not the perfect coach. Suh is not the perfect player. The Lions are not the perfect team. But the marriage certainly looks to be working to this point, doesn’t it? After years of irrelevance, the Lions are pushing for a playoff berth. They have one of the most intriguing teams in the league. And they’ve already become one of the most disliked teams in the league. Suh and Schwartz are two of the biggest reasons why we’re where we are. So does someone mind telling me why this is a bad thing?
A coach’s job is to win. The easiest way to win is with great players. And it’s usually advisable to have those great players on the field. So somehow Schwartz and the rest of the Lions brass need to help Suh make sure that this suspension is a one-time occurrence. But I give full credit to Schwartz for reiterating two things on Tuesday in the Lions first practice since the now infamous Thanksgiving episode.
First, he wants the Lions to continue to play with a nasty edge. That’s the mark of a true champion from the old school Raiders to the new school Patriots and Steelers. Second, he’s responsible for what happens from whistle to whistle. That’s what he coaches. What a player does beyond that is on the player. Suh is one of the highest-profile players in the entire league. His contract will end up paying him somewhere in the neighborhood of $60 million-$68 million. So when he gets locked up with an opponent and bashes his head against the turf and then stomps on his arm as he walks away, that’s not a reflection on Schwartz. That’s on Suh. This isn’t high school football where you can get kicked off the team. This isn’t the NCAA where a scholarship can be revoked. This is pro football. The head coach is responsible for hiring the right coaches and calling the right plays. But when it comes to discipline, if these guys can’t police themselves, then they can’t be policed.
The burden now does fall to Schwartz because he’s down his best defensive player (not to mention the bulk of his secondary) heading into a showdown with the Saints’ Drew Brees. In some ways, this will be the stiffest test of his coaching ability yet, even bigger than starting over with a team that finished 0-16. The Lions are now a popular pick not to make the playoffs based on the Suh suspension and three road games against teams with winning records (Saints, Raiders, Packers). If Schwartz can somehow steer this team back into the postseason from the outside, it will only confirm what we already know to be true –– that he’s the right coach for this team.
The stomp is not his fault and it has nothing to do with how he coaches this team. What happens after the stomp starts to become his responsibility only because he has to have his best players. Odds are that he’ll call on some of the locker room leaders to impress upon Suh the need to tone it down a little bit, but not too much. The only thing worse than Suh being suspended is Suh returning to the field as a neutered version of his former self. He’s one of the best defensive players in the league for a lot of reasons and his nastiness is one big part. Schwartz has to do everything possible to ensure that he has that player back when Suh returns. The rest is on Suh.
Last Updated: December 02. 2011 1:00AM Ex-Lion Lomas Brown: Ndamukong Suh will be targeted Terry Foster/ The Detroit News
Lomas Brown routinely checked the NFL wire to see which opponents had been ejected from games.
Those names were passed to teammates, and the Lions poked, agitated and did anything to get a rise out of them when they played.
Brown, a former Lions offensive tackle, said Ndamukong Suh's name is on that list now.
He's a target, and Brown predicts someone else will try to get under his skin when he returns from his two-game suspension.
"(Suh) already has a rep and everybody knows he has a short fuse," Brown said. "We used to go after guys who we felt we could get kicked out of games. It is going to happen, I guarantee you that."
Brown said Suh became angry when he got pancaked by Packers lineman Evan Dietrich-Smith during last week's game. It was a legal and acceptable play.
"You play the game long enough and somebody is going to put you on your back," Brown said. "That offensive lineman pancaked him and he got mad and (stomped on his arm).
"I know he wants to be big and bad and everything, but you eventually are going to be on your back."
Either way, the punishment wasn't enough, former Packers running back Harlan Huckleby said.
Huckleby had no problem with the two-game suspension, but believes anger management classes should have been part of the punishment.
"It is an explosion that comes out of nowhere," Huckleby said. "This guy needs some serious help.
"He is going to have to go through a treatment program and have psychological talks and try to understand what he is doing. What is going on is, he is hurting the team. … He seems like the cartoon 'The Hulk.'"
Former Lions wide receiver Herman Moore said the mental aspect of the game is key for players — young and old.
"(Suh) has to learn to take that aggressive nature and use it as an asset and not a liability," Moore said. "There is nothing wrong with playing as hard as you can and try to be a dominant player. But there are a lot of smart players out there who can use that aggressiveness against you. You have to know when to turn it on and when to be savvy and smart."
And here's a different take on it from our friend LionsInWinter
Ty Schalter wrote:
Why Ndamukong Suh Is Both the Aggressor and Victim of Stomp-Related Suspension By Ty Schalter (Featured Columnist) on December 2, 2011
In the aftermath of his Thanksgiving Classic ejection, Ndamukong Suh said he allowed "the refs to have an opportunity" to remove him from the game. The nation saw that he "allowed" that opportunity with gusto.
But what inspired his rage? Suh has been flagged many times for being too aggressive during the play, but hasn't ever lost control after the whistle before. What provoked his ouburst?
Throughout the first half, Suh was engaged in an evenly-matched, physical battle with Green Bay Packers guard Josh Sitton. Though many of the plays were clean (and Sitton had quite a bit of help from center Scott Wells), Suh and Sitton took turns escalating the physicality.
The incidental hands-to-the-face plays grew less and less incidental, until Suh finally popped off Sitton's helmet:
A few plays later, Sitton retaliate
A few plays later, Sitton retaliated by hooking an arm around Suh's throat and riding him wide of the pocket. Suh threw up both arms, presumably to draw attention to the foul:
After Sitton was forced to the bench with a knee injury, Evan Dietrich-Smith came into the game. Suh was immediately much more effective in rushing the passer. On plays where he didn't have help, Dietrich-Smith was forced to push the boundaries with Suh just to slow him down. Right away, you see Dietrich-Smith pick up where Sitton left off:
On the first of these next two plays, you see Wells put his shoulder into Suh's stomach and wrap both arms around Suh's torso. This is, essentially, tackling; it worked. It worked so well, in fact, that both Dietrich-Smith and Wells tackled Suh on the ensuing play:
On the next play, Dietrich-Smith grabs Suh by the shoulder and (it appears) face mask, and wrenches Suh to the ground. Suh uses his leverage to take Dietrich-Smith down with him, and that's when he snaps:
There's an old saw that says holding could be called on every play; it's true. This stuff goes on all the time in the NFL. But Sitton, Wells, Dietrich-Smith and Suh all repeatedly crossed the line from "this stuff" to "flaggable offense," and the only flag thrown for any of it was Suh popping Sitton's helmet clean off.
It's clear that Suh was clutched, grabbed and had hands put to his face throughout the game. It's also clear that he didn't hesitate to give as good as he got. It's up to the officials to either flag this stuff or let it slide—and they let a lot slide. The chippy play escalated throughout the game, and they did nothing to head it off.
However, it's doesn't matter what others did unto him: Suh cannot do what he did unto Dietrich-Smith.
No matter how badly Suh felt wronged, he absolutely cannot do what he did. It's far outside the gray area he and the Packers line danced on the edge of that day. This is a black-and-white call, and he was squarely in the wrong.
Suh plead his case to the officials after his ejection. If he'd talked to the officials between halves, perhaps he'd have gotten the call he was looking for before Dietrich-Smith pushed him over the edge. If he hadn't snapped, the Lions would likely have been down by only 10 instead of 14. It might not have made a difference in the game, but it might have.
Suh is only 24 years old. He's in just his second year in the NFL, and learning as he goes. His talent, as well as his off-field intelligence and demeanor, vastly outstrip most other players his age. But his career is at a crossroads: either he takes this incident to heart, and reaches his all-time great potential, or he continues to blame the actions of others for his own lack of control.
He, the Detroit Lions and the NFL will all be better off if he takes the right road.
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Re: When is Suh going to learn
I totally agree with the previous post/article. There are tons of things that happen during the game, and as long as it happens between the whistles/as part of the game, players generally don't get ejected or suspended. I heard Mark Schlereth talking about this incident yesterday on ESPN radio, and he mentioned another example of how things should be handled. Apparently in the Minnesota game last week, Jared Allen took some liberties against the O-lineman he was rushing against. On the next play, a draw, the lineman let Allen get upfield and instead of just blocking him out of the way, he cut him and took out his knees. Or as Schlereth put it, "He cut the guy right in half. Chopped him off at the knees." That let Allen know that his BS wasn't going to fly.
That kind of stuff happens all the time during a game, and Suh would be better served to take it out on guys during plays, not after the whistle.
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December 2nd, 2011, 1:31 pm
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Re: When is Suh going to learn
Suh lost his appeal:
Detroit Lions defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh's suspension upheld Published: Friday, December 02, 2011, 3:58 PM Updated: Friday, December 02, 2011, 4:03 PM By Anwar S. Richardson MLive.com
Detroit Lions defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh's appeal of his two-game suspension has been denied.
Suh had his appeal hearing on Thursday at 3 p.m. to see if his two-game suspension could be reduced or overturned. His hearing was before Art Shell, who served as the appeals officer. Shell is not an NFL employee, but was jointly appointed and compensated by the league and the union.
After hearing Suh's reasoning for his actions, Shell decided to uphold the NFL's suspension.
Here is the NFL's official statement:
NFL-NFLPA on-field appeals officer Art Shell has notified Ndamukong Suh, the Lions, the NFLPA, and the NFL that Suh's appeal of his two-game suspension by NFL Vice President Merton Hanks has been denied. Under the NFL Collective Bargaining Agreement, Shell is one of two officers jointly appointed and compensated by the NFL and NFLPA to decide the appeals of on-field player discipline. Ted Cottrell is the other NFL-NFLPA appeals officer for on-field violations.
Suh is suspended for the Lions' next two games and will be reinstated to the active roster on December 12.
The NFL suspended Suh for two games because he stomped Green Bay Packers offensive lineman Evan Dietrich-Smith in last Thursday's game. Suh is not allowed to be in the Lions facility during his suspension.
I thought Shell might reduce it to one game, but I guess not.
December 2nd, 2011, 5:09 pm
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Re: When is Suh going to learn
I didn't want to start another Suh thread, but apparently he was involved in a Car Accident
Embattled Detroit Lions star Ndamukong Suh was involved in a single-car accident in Portland early Saturday morning, a television station report
Suh, a defensive tackle who is serving a two-game suspension, levied by the NFL, crashed into a tree in downtown Portland, according to KOIN-Channel 6.
Portland Police officers responded to a report of a crash about 1:15 a.m. PT, according to the report, and discovered a 1970 Chevrolet Coupe that had driven into a tree. The 24-year-old Suh, a Portland native, allegedly lost control and crashed into a curb, light pole and drinking fountain before hitting the tree, KOIN reported.
After speaking with Suh at the scene, officers determined Suh was not impaired, the report said. The second-year NFL player and two passengers were not hurt.
Suh, who graduated from Portland’s Grant High School, was suspended without pay by the NFL for stomping on the arm of Green Bay Packers guard Evan Dietrich-Smith in a nationally televised Thanksgiving Day game.
Suh wll miss the Lions’ games at New Orleans on Sunday night and home against Minnesota on Dec. 11. He will not be paid until he is reinstated Dec. 12, which will cost him $164,000.
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December 3rd, 2011, 2:32 pm
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Re: When is Suh going to learn
Was it a 70 chevelle SS? If so, suh has good tastes. However, how the hell does he hit that much shat bwithout being drunk?
Here's another angle I have been thinking of today.
GBay admits to intentionally pissing Suh off. Did those MORONS FORGET that they still have to play him again? If they think he was hard to handle on Thanksgiving, I they they are going to get a more pissed off Suh who now has a focused rage at the Packers. And I hope he wrecks both Rogers and Flynn as well as any butt nugget that lines up in front of him for the rest of the year.
Suh the 1 man wrecking crew sinks the Packers Super Bowl dreams? I hope so.
December 3rd, 2011, 8:56 pm
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Suh making more headline news
On top of a 2 game suspension he gets into a car accident with a pole and a fountain and wrecks his 1970 car, did I read 1970 yumm had to have been a classic that or he is just cheap. Bad 2 weeks for Suh. I hope he does not beat up his car.