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You are one intelligent dude!

Thank you. I keep trying to inform people of that fact in the Off Topic section, but many of them disagree. :lol:

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Sly, when the new CBA first came out, you mentioned something about some lee-way each team could receive in the first or 2nd year(of the new CBA). I can't remember what you called it, but do you know if the Lions used up any exceptions last year, or are some still available to them?

I know the Lions used the $3M veteran exemption this year, but I don't think they borrowed the $3M allowed from future years. Atleast I hope they didn't. Furthermore, I fully expect them to borrow the $1.5M allowed this season from future years. I can't remember if the veteran exemption is still in place for this year, but I'm sure the Lions will use it if they can.

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Your knowledge of the CBA/cap space is pretty amazing. Is there a website you normally reference for this information? All of this is very interesting to me.

I used to get all the base salaries from the NFLPA website, but they don't release that info anymore. USA Today used to have a ton of info too, but they stopped doing it in 2009. That leaves rotoworld and spotrac, but neither one is completely accurate. That's why I don't post about the cap as much as I used to. I just don't have all the correct information anymore.

As for knowing and understanding how the salary cap works, askthecommish.com has a good synopsis that you should read. Beyond that, you should read the entire CBA like I did back in 2006, but you may die from boredom or legalese overload before you finish it.

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Thanks for all that Sly!

So if I understand this:

1) It's likely that Mayhew / Lewand will try to restructure CJ's deal this off season instead of waiting. And,

2) That's probably best for both sides. But,

3) It's unlikely that the Lions will have the cap space to rework CJ's deal and still retain BOTH Avril & Tulloch. Therefore,

4) We're not likely to see any meaningful upgrades in talent unless it comes via the draft.


If that's the case we're kind of fuxored aren't we?



Yup on all accounts. However, if I can manipulate the cap, I'm sure that Lewand and Mayhew can too. The key is the new TV agreements that go into place in 2014. The salary cap will remain fairly static until then, but will explode afterwards. So, you can sign players like CJ and Avril with $1M-$2M salaries in the first two years, followed by massive increases during the final 4-6 years of the contracts. Of course, Old Man Ford will have to come up with about $50M of signing bonus money by March to do this, but ya gotta do what ya gotta do. Also, I'm thinking that Corey Williams, and possibly KVB, could be gone because of this. It could be interesting.

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Maybe KVB if they are going to lose Avril but they can't afford to lose Corey Williams


January 10th, 2012, 7:34 pm
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Corey Williams was the only player I could immediately think of to cut/restructure to save some cap space. Which is a shame because he has been very professional to the media even after we drafted Fairley, and he played a great DT when we needed a rock up there(because of Fairley and Suh missing time).

KVB and Stafford restructured before last year, so wouldn't the cap hit by cutting KVB make it not worth it?


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This is a pretty good discussion in a lot of ways. I'm not sure what will happen, but a lot does depend on CJ and how much money he is willing to leave on the table to stay here. It would be a shame to cut Corey Williams to keep a WR but that is what might happen. Perhaps it might come to pass that Backus is not re signed, which I think is a bad development since no one seems ready to take over. It depends if CJ wants $$ or wins to tell the truth. It may come to pass that the Lions let CJ enter free agency. Is there still a transition tag in play where they can match the best offer out there? I do not think another team will pay the price and destroy their cap for a WR like the article suggests. The Franchise rules fore the Lions to pay that much, but I think no one lese would do so. That scenario might be the alternative where the Lions sill have a right to match the best offer and retain CJ without having to cut their best veterans to keep him.

This will be interesting, since we will see it play out soon yet again with Stafford and later with Suh provided that they both play at a high level going forward.

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You are one delusional dude!

Thank you. I keep trying to inform people of that fact in the Off Topic section, but many of them disagree. :lol:

Fixed :wink:

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I thought the article was fairly badly flawed in one respect: Seifert's insistence that the cost of multiple franchise tags represents the starting point for negotiations. If the cost of multiple franchise tags is considerably higher than what the market (ie any other team) will pay, then there's no way that's the starting point for negotiations. Whilst not being able to use the franchise tag gives Johnson more leverage than usual, the idea it gives him extraordinary leverage is frankly a bit far fetched (just part of Seifert's Lions hate, IMO).

I'm sure a deal for Calvin can be worked out in this off season - even making him the NFL's highest paid player (by yearly average) with a 5yr, $100m contract would potentially free up money in next season's cap - and would be nowhere near the silly figures bandied around by Seifert.

How long is Stafford signed for?


Where Seifert's article is fatally flawed is that he does not take into account that in 2013, the Salary Cap is going to explode due to the TV Contracts that were just extended.


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As for the cap itself, I'm hearing that it will stay the same or increase by no more than $5M. I've also heard that the Lions are already $5M above the cap, but I don't think that's accurate. Regardless, the Lions are going to have to make some tough choices this offseason.


Pat Kirwan says the Lions are $15 Million under the cap for next year.


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LionFan57 wrote:
Thanks for all that Sly!

So if I understand this:

1) It's likely that Mayhew / Lewand will try to restructure CJ's deal this off season instead of waiting. And,

2) That's probably best for both sides. But,

3) It's unlikely that the Lions will have the cap space to rework CJ's deal and still retain BOTH Avril & Tulloch. Therefore,

4) We're not likely to see any meaningful upgrades in talent unless it comes via the draft.


If that's the case we're kind of fuxored aren't we?



Yup on all accounts. However, if I can manipulate the cap, I'm sure that Lewand and Mayhew can too. The key is the new TV agreements that go into place in 2014. The salary cap will remain fairly static until then, but will explode afterwards. So, you can sign players like CJ and Avril with $1M-$2M salaries in the first two years, followed by massive increases during the final 4-6 years of the contracts. Of course, Old Man Ford will have to come up with about $50M of signing bonus money by March to do this, but ya gotta do what ya gotta do. Also, I'm thinking that Corey Williams, and possibly KVB, could be gone because of this. It could be interesting.



I'm not so concerned about William Clay Ford coughing up the signing bonus money. He's usually pretty good about that. But I do have concerns about the salary cap. You can't draft in the top 10 year after year and be able to keep up with the salary demands as those contracts renew. It's very likely that eventually Johnson, Stafford and Suh alone take up over half the cap space each year.

As for Corey Williams and KVB, I'd hate to see either one of them go; but if we have to lose one it just seems that KVB is beginning to slow down anyway.

In contrast to our situation see the article below...


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January 12, 2012 at 1:00 am

Lions have hefty free-agent shopping list
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Titans cornerback Cortland Finnegan could be an option for the Lions secondary. (Wesley Hitt/Getty Images)


Expect a free agent frenzy this spring in the NFL that could lead to an unprecedented buyer's market for the Lions front office.

Charley Casserly, a former Redskins and Texans general manager, estimated last month that "more than 25 percent" of the NFL will be unrestricted free agents this spring — expected to be the most in league history.

"What's that mean?" Casserly said last month on CBS' "The NFL Today." "Carnage for the players: less money for free-agent players than last year. Not a good sign if you're a free agent this year."

Some positions of concern for NFL teams this offseason: cornerback, safety, left tackle, linebacker and kick/punt return specialist.

Casserly said he expects the salary cap to stay at the 2011 mark: $120 million.

Teams are also, according to ESPN's John Clayton, expected to have three cap exemptions worth $1.5 million on three players.The free agent signing period begins March 13.

Here's a look at some free agents the Lions might want to consider:

Defense

Cornerbacks

Cortland Finnegan, Titans: The team's mainstay for six seasons doesn't lack toughness, is only 27 and appears to be eager for a change of scenery.

Brandon Carr, Chiefs: Flint native and former Grand Valley State standout might be tempted to play in his home state.

Tim Jennings, Bears: Sound 28-year-old tackler who's been healthy most of career, seeing the field in 32 straight games.

Terrell Thomas, Giants: Had a career-high 111 tackles in 2010, but a torn ACL forced him to miss all of 2011.

Tracy Porter, Saints: Shook off a November neck injury and appears to have, at 25, his best football ahead of him.

Safeties (starters and backups)

Michael Griffin, Titans: Former first round pick of the 2007 draft hasn't missed a game in five seasons (80 straight games).

LaRon Landry, Redskins: Known as an elite performer when he's healthy, but could have lingering Achilles issues.

Tyvon Branch, Raiders: A 25-year-old strong safety known for being effective at the line of scrimmage (109 tackles in 2011).

Brandon Meriweather, Bears: Doesn't lack talent, but was fined 25,000 for a helmet-to-helmet on the Panthers' Steve Smith.

Linebackers (starters and backups)

Dan Connor, Panthers: Former Penn State standout, 26, had a career-high 75 tackles in 2011 as a starter for 11 games.

Erik Walden, Packers: Familiarity with the NFC North and productivity (60 tackles, three sacks in 15 starts) is a plus, but had a felony assault charge recently dropped.

Ernie Sims, Colts: Former Lion is mobile, has a long wingspan, likely cheap to sign and appears past his previous injury woes.

Chris Chamberlain, Rams: Good young prospect, 26, on a bad team who won a starting job on the weakside in Week 6.

Defensive ends (starters and backups)

Calais Campbell, Cardinals: Great option to replace Cliff Avril if he doesn't get resigned, but probably a very expensive one, too.

Jason Jones, Titans: A former Eastern Michigan standout from Detroit who had Jim Schwartz for a defensive coordinator in 2008.

Cory Redding, Ravens: Former third-round pick of the Lions in 2003 keeps cranking out solid numbers (29 tackles, 4.5 sacks in 2011).

Matt Roth, Jaguars: Former Iowa stand out was production last season despite being limited to nine games because of a concussion.

Offense

Left tackles (starters and backups)

Demetrius Bell, Bills: Appears one of the best options out there (30 starts in 31 games), especially if the Lions choose to part ways with veteran Jeff Backus.

Jared Gaither, Chargers: Claimed off waivers on Nov. 30, has starting experience, is 6-foot-9, but could be a liability because of previous injuries.

Ben Grubbs, Ravens: Solid run blocker started 10 regular season games for the Ravens despite struggling with a toe injury.

Alex Boone, 49ers: Has plenty of talent, but also plenty of off-field issues dating back to his Ohio State career, so he's likely a long shot.

Receivers (backups)

Anthony Gonzalez, Colts: This three-year Ohio State letterman was once a Colts starter, but was forced to play a diminished role in 2011.

Devin Thomas, Giants: Former Michigan State standout could be a viable fourth stringer and answer for punt and kick returns.

Ted Ginn, 49ers: Former Ohio State speedster, 26, is an experienced return specialist who has 159 career receptions for 2,047 yards.

Eric Weems, Falcons: A 26-year-old who is already one of the league's most underrated kick returners (23.5 ypr. - 563 yards on 24 attempts).

Centers (backups)

Nick Hardwick, Chargers: Indianapolis native who played at Purdue is a third alternate for the Pro Bowl and appears to have a few good years left.

Jeff Saturday, Colts: Five-time Pro Bowler and Super Bowl champion, 36, might be a decent option for a one-year contract.

Scott Mruczkowski, Chargers: Cleveland native, 29, was put on injured reserve because of a concussion but still has potential.

Running backs (backups)

LenDale White, Broncos: Could be a decent option as a backfield bruiser (he's 6-foot-1, 235 pounds) if Mikel Leshoure doesn't pan out.

Steve Slaton, Dolphins: Former Heisman Trophy finalist has explosive ability and should be hungry after a brief stint in Miami.

Ronnie Brown, Eagles: Lions tried to trade for him during the regular season before the deal involving Jerome Harrison fell through.

Thomas Jones, Chiefs: This 33-year-old veteran of five teams still has tread left on his tires.

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2012 ... pping-list



If Casserly is correct then it might make things a bit easier to retain some of our players.

Let's hope!

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It'd be hott to actually get a lineman who creates push. Maybe someone like Ben Grubbs?

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My only problem with that post is that Ben Grubs is a LG not a LT.


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In addition to announcing that all Lions coordinators have signed contract extensions, G.M. Martin Mayhew has said that the team will try to sign two of its key players to new contracts.

According to Anwar Richardson of MLive.com, Mayhew said the team wants to sign receiver Calvin Johnson and defensive end Cliff Avril to new contracts.

The motivations are entirely different. Avril will become a free agent in March. Johnson, who signed a six-year deal when taken with the second overall pick in the 2007 draft, has unlocked a cap-busting base salary of $14 million for 2012, according to NFLPA records.

Signing Johnson to a long-term deal would drop his cap number and free up more money to do other business. Likewise, the failure to sign Johnson would require the Lions to use the franchise tag in 2013 to keep Calvin around, with a one-year tender that would be, at a minimum, $16.8 million.

And so the Lions, who suddenly have become competitive, will now have to deal with the downside of being a winning team — finding a way under the salary cap to retain enough players to remain competitive.

It’s a problem that Lions fans surely will welcome.


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I spent a few hours over the past few days looking into the Lions' cap situation. It's funny that the so-called experts can't agree on most of the cap numbers, so I triangulated. What I know for a fact is that the Lions have atleast $107M commited toward next years cap. What I don't know are how many roster, workout, and incentive bonuses are due. Take that for what it's worth.

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