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Should the Lions sign free-agent CB Ty Law, one of their young cornerbacks would be moved to free safety to compete with Terrence Holt. Look for second-year CB Keith Smith (5-11, 191) to emerge as the top option for the switch. The Lions rave about Smith's athleticism and, with Dre' Bly, Fernando Bryant and potentially Law ahead of him on the depth chart at corner, moving him to safety is the best way to ensure he gets on the field.

? The Lions haven't given up on 2003 fourth-round pick RB Artose Pinner. The 99th pick in the draft two years ago, Pinner was lost for most of his rookie year with a broken foot and lost his job to '04 first-round pick Kevin Jones last year. Jones is the undisputed starter, but Detroit really likes what Pinner provides as an inside runner.

Bailey? Strong-side LB Boss Bailey will practice just once a day for most of Lions training camp. After an impressive rookie season, Bailey did not play in 2004 after undergoing surgery to repair torn meniscus cartilage in his right knee. The Lions are still deciding how to use '04 second-round pick Teddy Lehman. They consider him the future starter at middle linebacker but have no plans to bench run-defense cog Earl Holmes at this point.


May 24th, 2005, 8:05 am
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...? The Lions haven't given up on 2003 fourth-round pick RB Artose Pinner. The 99th pick in the draft two years ago, Pinner was lost for most of his rookie year with a broken foot and lost his job to '04 first-round pick Kevin Jones last year. Jones is the undisputed starter, but Detroit really likes what Pinner provides as an inside runner....



I'm a little surprized that Mooch doesn't try to use pinner in short yardage situations just a little bit more than they do. How many 3 and 2's do we see where we pass? As a rule our screens and fades stink and I'd much rather pound it up the middle w/ Cory Schlesinger as lead blocker.


But maybe that's why Mooch is getting $5 mill a year and I'm not.


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I'm a little surprized that Mooch doesn't try to use pinner in short yardage situations just a little bit more than they do. How many 3 and 2's do we see where we pass? As a rule our screens and fades stink and I'd much rather pound it up the middle w/ Cory Schlesinger as lead blocker.


But maybe that's why Mooch is getting $5 mill a year and I'm not.


I couldn't agree more........that's why you're not. Just kidding.

I agree that the Lions should use Pinner as a short yardage specialist. Pinner is built like a fire hydrant and always moves forward. People criticize his low yards per carry average, but fail to mention he was used early in the season when NONE of our backs was getting yardage due to the offensive line problems. They also fail to mention he was used mostly as a short yardage back. You think the Raiders give a rodents obese perspiring rectum about the YPC average Zack Crockett has? At 5'8" and over 200 lbs, Pinner is made for such a role.

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May 24th, 2005, 9:10 am
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I disagree. I don't think the Lions have great faith in Pinner - I think that is why they brought in White. While Tose' does seem like a solid short-yardage back, he is not as strong as Bryson in catching the ball out of the backfield or picking up the blitz. This hurts the Lions ability to use him on 3rd downs. I wouldn't be totally shocked to see Pinner cut during training camp in favor of KJ, White and Bryson if they decide to keep only 3 backs (which they typically do). Unfortunately, I think Pinner limits the offenses options at this point in his career, hopefully he can improve in these areas and stick with the team.

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May 24th, 2005, 10:17 am
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Pablo,

I think you're right that the Lions front office doesn't have faith in Pinner. And that bothers me.

I like him for his work ethic, attitude and passion for the game AND for what we ask (or should be asking) of him. A short yardage, change of pace, 1st - 2nd & 4th down back. I agree that Bryson owns the 3rd down spot - but Pinner should be the short yardage guy.

As for White - I don't know that much about him but I thought he was brought in more for his return abilities in case we couldn't get Drummond back.


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Lions geared to stay in market for free-agent CB LawDetroit

Since meeting with former Patriots CB Ty Law on May 10 ? at which point team doctors performed a detailed physical examination ? the Lions have held in-house discussions about whether to remain in the market for the four-time Pro Bowler. The verdict was emphatic support for bringing in the 11th-year veteran. Members of the front office are confident the Lions have the finances to be competitive with the other teams believed to be involved. Should it reach a bidding war between Detroit and Miami, the Lions like their chances. The Steelers and Colts had shown interest prior to the draft, but both teams drafted cornerbacks. Team president Matt Millen said talks had not reached the negotiating stage. Law, who missed the final nine games of the ?04 regular season with a broken left foot, continues to rehab the injury and can run in a straight line but will be unable to perform football-type agility drills until at least mid-June.


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... Law, who missed the final nine games of the ?04 regular season with a broken left foot, continues to rehab the injury and can run in a straight line but will be unable to perform football-type agility drills until at least mid-June.



Running in a straight line is nice. But if he can't back peddle or cut or leap and land by now (almost June) how will he be able to by the time training camp starts? (in July).

I'm no Doctor (but I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night) and I'm not certain he could even be ready for the regular season.


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It's hard to tell, but it seems to me that the measure of Law's abilities were taken at the beginning of May and predict improved abilities for Mid June. That's about a 6 week window, give or take. I don't know how well or quickly he's recovered in the past , but 6 weeks seems like a decent amount of time to show improvement.

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Pablo wrote:
I disagree. I don't think the Lions have great faith in Pinner - I think that is why they brought in White. While Tose' does seem like a solid short-yardage back, he is not as strong as Bryson in catching the ball out of the backfield or picking up the blitz. This hurts the Lions ability to use him on 3rd downs. I wouldn't be totally shocked to see Pinner cut during training camp in favor of KJ, White and Bryson if they decide to keep only 3 backs (which they typically do). Unfortunately, I think Pinner limits the offenses options at this point in his career, hopefully he can improve in these areas and stick with the team.


There is something of a logjam in the Lions backfield and I know that lionheartd had that opinion about Pinner's vulnerability, but I think the decision making is more complicated here. Essentially, we have a legitimate RB and a legitimate FB. After that, what we have is three guys who are great receivers out of the backfield, but who are tailbacks in size rather than fullbacks, but who are not home run rushers or guys who are of anything better than average effectiveness as the feature back. True, 2 of the 3 will stay and it will probably come down to health. If everyone is healthy then it gets interesting. Pinner is by no means doomed in my mind.

Of the three:

White is the best receiver and the biggest chunk threat because of his jukes and lateral agility.

Bryson is the best blocker and has great speed and good hands.

Pinner is the best inside runner, but he also has great hands.


Now, we do not have a developmental FB on the roster so they all could stick by moving one guy to "FB", but with Sledge's age and health issues, you know that they want to keep a pure FB for blocking purposes. If none of those prospects make the cut, than Pinner or Bryson may project to FB. On the surface, Bryson almost seems a lock to stick because he is the most versatile and experienced in terms of the blocking schemes which is very important. Except for lead blocking he can do it all. White would be the ideal 3rd down back if you plan on taking KJ out on third downs, which I would be disinclined to do. Pinner is probably the best option if KJ went down, since he is the only guy capable of carrying 25 times and cranking out 100 yards while getting a complimentary 30-50 through the air. Depending on whether Pinner could learn the blocking schemes, you could argue for him and White making it over Bryson. Pinner is younger, cheaper, and is a better option as the feature back in the event of a KJ injury, and I do not think you lose much on him as a receiver. Also, you could use him to grind down the clock, which figures to be important if our WRs stay healthy and we run up the score on teams. White would be the best change of pace back and is better than Bryson in that he is threat to run and has more potential for a big play in the passing game.

In sum, in making your choice, you have to consider KJ's health issues and also the fact that with 3 stud WRs there figures to be a lot more room on the underneath routes. From that perspective, you could make a case for Pinner/White. Special teams is another big factor and there Bryson has the commanding edge. It will be an interesting battle!

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On Ty Law----insider (Chewy) said the Lions are looking for him as FS.
That would put all experienced veterans in the backfield. I figure Holt will see more time, but still a bench player.


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