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Rodgers extra challenging for Lions

First, he sighed.

Detroit Lions middle linebacker Stephen Tulloch then replied not with a name but a jersey number – “12” – when asked what had stood out about Green Bay’s offense during his pregame video study.

That’s the kind of dehumanizing effect Aaron Rodgers can have on opposing defenses.

No NFL quarterback is hotter entering the FOX America’s Game of the Week between the Lions and visiting Packers (1 p.m. ET Sunday). Over the past seven weeks, Rodgers has the most scoring passes (22) and best touchdown-to-interception ratio with only three turnovers.

Such torrid play has helped Green Bay rebound from a 2-3 start with a four-game winning streak.

“He makes that thing go,” Tulloch told FOXSports.com after Wednesday’s practice at Lions headquarters. “You look at the receivers across the board from Randall Cobb to James Jones to Jordy Nelson (with at least 40 catches). He’s spreading the ball out very well.”

During five seasons he spent with Tennessee before joining the Lions in 2011, Tulloch played twice a year against a future Hall of Fame quarterback in Indianapolis’ Peyton Manning. Tulloch said Rodgers evokes those memories when it comes to the style of offense he’s running and how smoothly it’s being executed.

“They’re pass-first but do a good job of controlling the game and slipping some runs in there,” Tulloch said. “It reminds me a lot of Peyton. He was a very smart quarterback, and you have to be disciplined in coverage.”

Maintaining such discipline has proven a challenge in Detroit this season because of the injuries that have decimated the secondary, especially at cornerback. One example Tulloch cited was last Sunday’s 34-24 loss in Minnesota. The Lions (4-5) got sloppy and collapsed in the second half. Adrian Peterson gained 134 of his 171 rushing yards during the final two quarters, including a 61-yard touchdown jaunt, and quarterback Christian Ponder was efficient with 119 passing yards and another score without a turnover.

“Obviously, we took a step back,” Tulloch said. “For the most part, we controlled the game until the third quarter, and then we got loose in different areas.

“Like last year, injuries can bite you a little bit, but you’ve got to find a way to get through it. Guys have to step up in those roles.”

Tulloch hinted the Lions haven’t had the luxury of deploying as many different defensive looks as coordinator Gunther Cunningham would like because of the ever-changing personnel at cornerback and safety. Detroit has fielded a different starting combination in the secondary for eight of nine games and might be forced to make more changes against Green Bay. Four top defensive backs – CB Chris Houston (ankle) and safeties Erik Coleman (eye), Louis Delmas (knee) and Amari Spievey (concussion) – didn’t practice Wednesday, and it’s unknown whether cornerback Drayton Florence (broken forearm) will be making his return off the injured reserve list.

“It’s different,” Tulloch said. “You can’t put yourself in a position where you’re trying to do too much because you don’t know what the guy behind you is going to do. You’ve just got to trust and believe that the guy behind you will be able to hold his own and you do your job.

“The last thing you want is to try and do more than you should and mess up the intent of the defense. We have a lot of veterans who understand that.”

One of them is Tulloch himself. Signed to a five-year, $25.5 million contract extension during the offseason, Tulloch ranks second on the Lions with 53 tackles and is tied for the lead in passes defensed with five.

Tulloch is playing so well that Rodgers offered unsolicited praise by last name – not jersey number – during a Wednesday conference call with Lions media.

“He’s a big-time player,” Rodgers said.

Stopping another one like Rodgers is Tulloch’s challenge Sunday.

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Scout says Ndamukong Suh has been coddled, doesn’t push himself
Posted by Michael David Smith on November 15, 2012, 11:39 AM EST

In a week when much of the talk around the NFL has centered on the criticism that Tim Tebow took from an anonymous source in the Jets’ locker room, another one of the most polarizing players in the NFL has also taken some heat from an unnamed source.

In a Milwaukee Journal Sentinel story about the Packers’ upcoming game with the Lions, an unnamed NFC scout is quoted as saying that Detroit defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh hasn’t lived up to his physical talents because no one pushes him to bring the best out in himself.

“He is one example of a football culture that coddles elite players and does not force them to push themselves for fear that the player will tune you out,” the scout said. “We complain at this level that finding leaders is a difficult task, but leadership is, as Eddie Robinson once said, fighting for the hearts and souls of men and getting them to believe in you. For a player like Ray Lewis, he demands so much of himself and is willing to push himself, that when he confronts a teammate over work ethic, the player has no choice but to respect him. Players like Suh do not demand excellence of themselves because they believe they can be excellent just by walking on the field. These players will underachieve by comparison to expectations.”

Since his breakout rookie season in 2010, Suh has taken a lot of heat for a decline in production, as well as personal fouls on the field and personal troubles off the field. The Lions’ coaching staff, however, has always insisted that Suh is playing well, even if he has fewer sacks and tackles than he did as a rookie. At least one scout seems to think that the Detroit coaches defending Suh are part of the problem.

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And here's the article:

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Detroit’s Ndamukong Suh argues with Terry McAulay after Suh was ejected from the game against Green Bay last Thanksgiving.

Detroit's defensive end can bring it, players say
By Tyler Dunne of the Journal Sentinel Nov. 13, 2012

Green Bay - He's not going to change. Players realize this. Ndamukong Suh will be himself, ready or not.

The latest greatest hit came at Chicago on Oct. 22.

Suh - 6 feet 4 inches and 307 pounds of untamed aggression - tossed Chicago Bears offensive lineman Lance Louis aside, grabbed quarterback Jay Cutler's hand with his own left paw and pinned his right arm between the quarterback's head and shoulder. Clutching Cutler in a WWE-style vise, Suh slammed him to the ground.

Again, a nationally televised audience was treated to the most enigmatic defensive player in the game.

"I thought it was nasty. I didn't think there was anything dirty about it," Green Bay Packers guard-turned-tackle T.J. Lang said. "When those guys get to the quarterback, they want to hit you and they want to hit you hard. I thought it was just a good, clean, hard hit. He didn't do anything illegal. So that's something you have to watch. Him, especially.

"When he gets to the quarterback, he's going to try to make them pay."

No player blurs the line of respect and resentment across the league like Detroit's Suh. In a midseason Sporting News poll, Suh was voted the dirtiest player in the NFL by his peers. In a Forbes poll of fans, Suh was voted the most disliked player in the league. And this season, one anonymous general manager told Pro Football Weekly that Suh belongs on the "All-Hype Team."

Yet there's also no defensive tackle in the game with his cannonball explosion, his finishing punch. In three seasons, Suh has 17 1/2 sacks and 88 solo tackles. On Sunday, the 2010 second overall pick out of Nebraska will be a game-long focus for the Packers' reconfigured offensive line.

So which is it - dirty, overhyped, dominant, respected? All the above? This is an ever-evolving debate that'll probably continue throughout Suh's career. Controversy is never too far.

Between the lines, Suh has Green Bay's respect. It's not all hype, they say. Suh brings it. On the field, right guard Josh Sitton says the third-year pro is "all-business."

"It's legit," Sitton said. "He's a good football player. People have been saying he's slumping or had a sophomore slump last year. But it's all media."

Lang agreed, saying Suh has "everybody's attention" throughout a game. Linemen, tight ends, running backs, everyone chips in to slow him down. Offenses try placing roadblocks wherever possible. Lang said he fully respects Suh's game, adding "You know when you play him, it's going to be a 60-minute fight."

Yet, there are doubters. Criticism directed at Suh might not be "all media" as Sitton suggests. And some within league circles disagree with Lang's 60-minute assessment. One NFC scout in particular said Suh takes plays off. Maybe the player that broke onto the scene in 2010 with 10 sacks and subsequent endorsements with Chrysler, Subway and Dick's Sporting Goods isn't a rare, transcendent force of nature.

Initial buzz has receded.

The NFC scout explained that select "dominant" players like Suh never learn what it takes to play at the highest level "play in and play out."

"He is one example of a football culture that coddles elite players and does not force them to push themselves for fear that the player will tune you out," the scout said. "We complain at this level that finding leaders is a difficult task, but leadership is, as Eddie Robinson once said, fighting for the hearts and souls of men and getting them to believe in you. For a player like Ray Lewis, he demands so much of himself and is willing to push himself, that when he confronts a teammate over work ethic, the player has no choice but to respect him.

"Players like Suh do not demand excellence of themselves because they believe they can be excellent just by walking on the field. These players will underachieve by comparison to expectations."

That might be true. But it's not his actual play that generates headlines. His first two seasons, Suh racked up $42,500 in fines. The breaking point, of course, was on Thanksgiving last year.

In Green Bay's 27-15 win last season, Suh shoved Evan Dietrich-Smith's head into the Ford Field turf multiple times and stomped on the guard's arm. More than the act itself, Packers players were most upset with how Suh handled it.

After being ejected, Suh refused to take responsibility. The second-year defensive tackle said he was "held down" by Dietrich-Smith and that he pushed his leg down to "get myself out of the situation" - an explanation Lang labeled "bull(expletive)."

Tight end Andrew Quarless said Suh was lucky that he wasn't on the field.

"I think probably where most people don't like him is from the way he plays - the personal fouls, the kicking people and last year having a hard time owning up to it," Lang said. "I think he definitely has some character issues. But I think he's a good player, a hardworking guy."

Naturally, Suh has developed a reputation for being dirty, for habitual line-stepping. Lions defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham said controversy follows Suh "because his name's Ndamukong Suh. . . . It makes me laugh sometimes."

True, anything Suh does the rest of his career will be analyzed through a hypercritical lens. The Bears players who witnessed the Cutler smack-down last month agree the hit was clean. Cutler himself didn't have a problem with it, and Suh was not fined.

With Chicago's linemen, there's a cautious bite of the tongue.

"He's just a competitor," Bears guard Chilo Rachal said. "He's just a nasty finisher. That's in his gene line. That's just how he plays football - he's nasty."

And that's the consensus. One point everyone can agree on is that Suh plays "nasty," angry. This demeanor is the root of the fines, the stomp, the hype, whatever might come next. But do players respect or resent this edgy style?

Rachal smiles and doesn't give a clear-cut answer.

"He's just a nasty guy," he said. "He's a finisher. It is what it is."

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LOL this is starting to get good; its a bit of a shame that GB and Seattle have already played each other...who knows, maybe they'll meet again in the playoffs. If they do, it should be fun
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Richard Sherman isn’t buying Tramon Williams as Optimus Prime
Posted by Josh Alper on November 15, 2012, 11:24 AM EST

Packers cornerback Tramon Williams took a page from Seahawks cornerback Richard Sherman’s book and dubbed himself Optimus Prime ahead of this week’s matchup with Megatron, a.k.a Lions wide receiver Calvin Johnson.

Williams also took a shot at Sherman for getting pushed around by Johnson during the Lions’ victory over the Seahawks earlier this season. Johnson had three catches for 46 yards in that game, so any pushing around didn’t really result in a huge advantage for the Lions receiver. Sherman pointed that out on the NFL Network Thursday in response to Williams’ comments.

“Yeah, we were pushed around to the tune of 46 yards, I believe,” Sherman said. “Not too much pushing. I don’t understand that shot, he took a shot at us. Last I checked, we’ve never given up 250 yards to anybody. We barely give that up in a game. To give that up to one player, I mean that was the last time they played him I believe. I don’t really know if he’d be the one (to) come talk to us about playing coverage.”

The Packers actually allowed 244 receiving yards to Johnson last season, the most any opposing player has ever compiled in a game against the Packers. That doesn’t exactly put Williams in a place of great strength as he suggests that he’s the man (robot?) capable of keeping Johnson from having a huge game.

We’ll see how it plays out Sunday, but we’d be pretty happy never to hear another Transformers reference from an NFL cornerback regardless of the outcome. Unless they want to argue about who is Shia LaBeouf, because that would actually be amusing.

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Looks like we sit back and watch.

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Playoffs are a distant, not very likely, possibility. So, they will screw up and win. When losing will net them a fantastic CB in the draft.


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Playoffs are a distant, not very likely, possibility. So, they will screw up and win. When losing will net them a fantastic CB in the draft.

or an amazingly talented depth guy...

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