If they spend money on a FA S I would prefer to see Quin from Houston. He isn't an elite player but has played significant time in coverage while in Houston.
March 6th, 2013, 9:47 pm
kdsberman
Team MVP
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Re: Free Agency splash
sweetd20 wrote:
If they spend money on a FA S I would prefer to see Quin from Houston. He isn't an elite player but has played significant time in coverage while in Houston.
Agree with this.
March 6th, 2013, 9:53 pm
Footsoldier32
5th Round Pick - Traded
Joined: February 28th, 2007, 12:13 pm Posts: 1011
Re: Free Agency splash
I like the idea of putting Freeney in blue and silver.
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March 7th, 2013, 1:08 am
Killwill25
Rookie Player of the Year
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Re: Free Agency splash
freeney would be a nice placeholder for 1-2 years while we tweak the d-line. he'd soften the blow(and maybe even bre an upgrade) of losing avril
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March 7th, 2013, 2:24 am
DayDreamer
5th Round Pick - Traded
Joined: December 18th, 2008, 9:18 am Posts: 1095 Location: Where I lay my head is home
Re: Free Agency splash
Killwill25 wrote:
freeney would be a nice placeholder for 1-2 years while we tweak the d-line. he'd soften the blow(and maybe even bre an upgrade) of losing avril
Can't afford him, I'm sure a lot of teams have interest in him and that's enough to drive his cost up beyond our reach.
March 7th, 2013, 4:53 am
kdsberman
Team MVP
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Re: Free Agency splash
Well lets hope the Stafford restructuring happens freakin soon here...FA starts in 5 days.
March 7th, 2013, 5:59 am
wjb21ndtown
Re: Free Agency splash
kdsberman wrote:
Well lets hope the Stafford restructuring happens freakin soon here...FA starts in 5 days.
After the Flacco deal it may not happen at all. I'm really skeptical at this point if I even want the Stafford EXTENSION (it won't be a restructure, it will be a massive extension) to go through. It should only save us $3-5 million (most of Staff's money is guaranteed), and his extension is going to likely average $15 million + per year for 5-7 years. That's a lot of scratch to someone that hasn't earned it.
Well lets hope the Stafford restructuring happens freakin soon here...FA starts in 5 days.
After the Flacco deal it may not happen at all. I'm really skeptical at this point if I even want the Stafford EXTENSION (it won't be a restructure, it will be a massive extension) to go through. It should only save us $3-5 million (most of Staff's money is guaranteed), and his extension is going to likely average $15 million + per year for 5-7 years. That's a lot of scratch to someone that hasn't earned it.
I wouldn't say he hasn't earned it. Can you name the last QB the Lions had that put up the same yearly stats he has? Granted he's only taken us to the playoffs only once, but a QB can only do so much with what he's given on the offensive side of the ball. Also, IMO if the D was better last year and STs hadn't cost us a couple of games we very well could of gotten into the playoffs again... but as we all know.. that didn't happen. I'm behind Stafford and hope he's a Lion for a long time to come.
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March 7th, 2013, 12:58 pm
TheRealWags
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Re: Free Agency splash
A little perspective on what Stafford means to this franchise:
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Detroit Lions Passing Records
MOST PASSING YARDS, CAREER PLAYER YDS ATT CMP CMP% TD INT RTG YEARS 1. Bobby Layne 15,710 2,193 1,074 49.0 118 142 63.7 1950-58 2. Matthew Stafford **** 12,802 1,863 1,114 59.8 80 54 82.8 2009- 3. Scott Mitchell 12,647 1,850 1,049 56.7 79 57 79.2 1994-98
MOST PASSING YARDS, SEASON PLAYER YDS ATT CMP CMP% TD INT RTG YEAR 1. Matthew Stafford **** 5,038 663 421 63.5 41 16 96.6 2011 2. Matthew Stafford **** 4,967 727 435 59.8 20 17 79.8 2012 3. Scott Mitchell 4,338 583 346 59.3 32 12 92.3 1995
MOST PASSING YARDS, GAME PLAYER YDS OPP DATE 1. Matthew Stafford **** 520 at GB 01/01/12 2. Matthew Stafford **** 443 vs. ATL 12/22/12 3. Matthew Stafford **** 441 vs. Hou 11/22/12
MOST TOUCHDOWN PASSES, CAREER PLAYER TD ATT CMP CMP% YDS INT RTG YEARS 1. Bobby Layne 118 2,193 1,074 49.0 15,710 142 63.7 1950-58 2. Greg Landry 80 1,747 957 54.8 12,451 81 73.4 1968-78 3. Matthew Stafford **** 80 1,863 1,114 59.8 12,802 54 82.8 2009-
MOST TOUCHDOWN PASSES, SEASON PLAYER TD ATT CMP CMP% YDS INT RTG YEAR 1. Matthew Stafford**** 41 663 421 63.5 5,038 16 96.6 2011 2. Scott Mitchell 32 583 346 59.3 4,338 12 92.3 1995 3. Bobby Layne 26 332 152 45.8 2,403 23 67.6 1951
MOST TOUCHDOWN PASSES, GAME PLAYER TD OPP DATE 1. Matthew Stafford **** 5 vs. Car 11/20/11 Matthew Stafford **** 5 at GB 01/01/12 Matthew Stafford **** 5 vs. Cle 11/22/09 Gary Danielson 5 vs. Min 12/9/78
MOST PASS COMPLETIONS, CAREER PLAYER CMP ATT CMP% YDS TD INT RTG YEARS 1. Matthew Stafford **** 1,114 1,863 59.8 12,802 80 54 82.8 2009- 2. Bobby Layne 1,074 2,193 49.0 15,710 118 142 63.7 1950-58 3. Scott Mitchell 1,049 1,850 56.7 12,647 79 57 79.2 1994-98
MOST PASS COMPLETIONS, SEASON PLAYER CMP ATT CMP% YDS TD INT RTG YEAR 1. Matthew Stafford **** 435 727 59.8 4,967 20 17 79.8 2012 2. Matthew Stafford **** 421 663 63.5 5.038 41 16 96.6 2011 3. Matthew Stafford **** 374 629 59.5 4,252 17 15 78.9 2006
MOST PASS COMPLETIONS, GAME PLAYER CMP OPP DATE 1. Matthew Stafford **** 37 vs. Atl 12/23/12 2. Charlie Batch 36 at Arz 11/8/01 Matthew Stafford**** 36 at GB 01/01/12 3. Shaun Hill **** 35 at GB 10/3/10
HIGHEST PASSING RATING, CAREER (MIN. 500 ATT.) PLAYER RTG ATT CMP CMP% YDS TD INT YEARS 1. Matthew Stafford **** 82.8 1,863 1,114 59.8 12,802 80 54 2009- 2. Jon Kitna 79.6 1,277 795 62.3 9,034 44 47 2006-08 3. Scott Mitchell 79.2 1,850 1,049 56.7 12,647 79 57 1994-98
There's only 2 records he doesn't currently own and that could change next season; Not too bad for entering his 5th season...
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March 7th, 2013, 1:21 pm
Footsoldier32
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Re: Free Agency splash
The knock on Stafford, though, is that he doesn't get in guys' faces when they drop passes or run wrong routes. He can be calm under pressure (as we saw in 2011) but he's really too cool about it and has no sense of urgency (as we saw in 2012). He is a physical talent and is good at the position but there are things that guys like Brees, Manning, and Brady bring to the table that Stafford does not and those are the things we really need from him if he's going to take the next step in his progression. He has to make guys hold themselves accountable for their mistakes and he also needs to be a little more accurate consistently.
Don't get me wrong, I love having the guy on the team, he's fun to watch, and he's the best QB we've had in a long time (if not ever) but there are things that he needs to improve on if this team is serious about a super bowl win.
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March 7th, 2013, 1:34 pm
rao
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Joined: November 28th, 2007, 12:50 pm Posts: 1993 Location: Newport Beach, Ca
Re: Free Agency splash
Footsoldier32 wrote:
The knock on Stafford, though, is that he doesn't get in guys' faces when they drop passes or run wrong routes. He can be calm under pressure (as we saw in 2011) but he's really too cool about it and has no sense of urgency (as we saw in 2012). He is a physical talent and is good at the position but there are things that guys like Brees, Manning, and Brady bring to the table that Stafford does not and those are the things we really need from him if he's going to take the next step in his progression. He has to make guys hold themselves accountable for their mistakes and he also needs to be a little more accurate consistently.
Don't get me wrong, I love having the guy on the team, he's fun to watch, and he's the best QB we've had in a long time (if not ever) but there are things that he needs to improve on if this team is serious about a super bowl win.
Joe Flacco just won the Super Bowl and was the Super Bowl MVP without getting in people's faces.
March 7th, 2013, 1:47 pm
TheRealWags
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Joined: December 31st, 2004, 9:55 am Posts: 12479
Re: Free Agency splash
Footsoldier32 wrote:
The knock on Stafford, though, is that he doesn't get in guys' faces when they drop passes or run wrong routes. He can be calm under pressure (as we saw in 2011) but he's really too cool about it and has no sense of urgency (as we saw in 2012). He is a physical talent and is good at the position but there are things that guys like Brees, Manning, and Brady bring to the table that Stafford does not and those are the things we really need from him if he's going to take the next step in his progression. He has to make guys hold themselves accountable for their mistakes and he also needs to be a little more accurate consistently.
Don't get me wrong, I love having the guy on the team, he's fun to watch, and he's the best QB we've had in a long time (if not ever) but there are things that he needs to improve on if this team is serious about a super bowl win.
No doubt he has areas to improve upon; in fact all of those QBs you listed also have areas they need to improve on.
How many times have you seen Eli get in someone's face? And of those times, how many were in his first 4-5 years? According to the players, he is the unquestioned leader on the field. IMO Stafford will be fine.
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March 7th, 2013, 1:47 pm
wjb21ndtown
Re: Free Agency splash
LionsFan4Life wrote:
wjb21ndtown wrote:
kdsberman wrote:
Well lets hope the Stafford restructuring happens freakin soon here...FA starts in 5 days.
After the Flacco deal it may not happen at all. I'm really skeptical at this point if I even want the Stafford EXTENSION (it won't be a restructure, it will be a massive extension) to go through. It should only save us $3-5 million (most of Staff's money is guaranteed), and his extension is going to likely average $15 million + per year for 5-7 years. That's a lot of scratch to someone that hasn't earned it.
I wouldn't say he hasn't earned it. Can you name the last QB the Lions had that put up the same yearly stats he has? Granted he's only taken us to the playoffs only once, but a QB can only do so much with what he's given on the offensive side of the ball. Also, IMO if the D was better last year and STs hadn't cost us a couple of games we very well could of gotten into the playoffs again... but as we all know.. that didn't happen. I'm behind Stafford and hope he's a Lion for a long time to come.
It's not about "the last Qb the Lions had" that's put up the stats, it's not even about ANY NFL Qb that's put stats in a Qb friendly system that throws a TON. It's about Stafford's skill set, his ability to read the blitz, his ability to hit open WRs, his ability to find open WRs, and his ability to "look off" DBs. He does none of those things well. CJ constantly bails out crappy throws, he hangs his WRs out to dry because he stares them down before he pulls the trigger, he can't handle the blitz, and he constantly misses open WRs. All of this shows up in the W-L record. He's a good, promising, young Qb that may develop into one of the NFL greats, but he's definitely not there yet. He has durability concerns, accuracy concerns and concerns about his skill-set that Flacco and other elite Qbs don't have.
FWIW, it's the offense going 3 and out, and our inability to pick up first downs in the 4th Q that cost us games, and Stafford is a HUGE part of that.
March 7th, 2013, 2:42 pm
wjb21ndtown
Re: Free Agency splash
It's not about "getting in someone's face." It's about letting people know that you're disappointed in their play, expecting more from your receivers, and not tolerating BS. Stafford DOES NOT DO THAT. He wines and pouts like a little girl if they drop balls, but he does it on the field, behind the OL, and never says anything later. He doesn't hold people accountable, and that's the issue. Flacco, Eli, Brady, Breese, and Manning all do.
March 7th, 2013, 2:45 pm
conversion02
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Re: Free Agency splash
Stafford is not a leader like those guys you mentioned. I agree wjb. I said that the beginning of last year as this team needs a true leader
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