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I see that Jared Allen is still available, or was the last I knew, and he wants fair market value. With Willie's loss to the Bears, and still having a need, wouldn't JA be a good target? He's a known commodity, and probably would rank up there with Red Eyes for the next few seasons....

That would allow us to concentrate on the Safeties and Centers without having to reach for a man with questionable work ethic like Clowney, or am I way off base.


I like Allen, and I think he'd come because of the Gun connection, but Ware just got $10/yr from the Broncos. Allen's been just as (if not more) productive the past couple seasons, so I think he'll want to be paid handsomely. I wouldn't rule it out though.

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WarEr4Christ wrote:
I see that Jared Allen is still available, or was the last I knew, and he wants fair market value. With Willie's loss to the Bears, and still having a need, wouldn't JA be a good target? He's a known commodity, and probably would rank up there with Red Eyes for the next few seasons....

That would allow us to concentrate on the Safeties and Centers without having to reach for a man with questionable work ethic like Clowney, or am I way off base.


I like Allen, and I think he'd come because of the Gun connection, but Ware just got $10/yr from the Broncos. Allen's been just as (if not more) productive the past couple seasons, so I think he'll want to be paid handsomely. I wouldn't rule it out though.


Allen has an asking price in mind, and will retire before he settles for less...Plus he is pretty notorious for his hate for the city of Detroit. I dont see it happening.

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Without his BFF Gosder still here I just don't see it happening. :lol:

Red eyes was brought in more for his leadership than anything else, although he did have a productive year or two. With veteran guys like Tully, Quin, Houston and Suh on the defensive side that isn't a big need.

The asking price will be way too high for Detroit unless he doesn't get a contract for a few more weeks and it starts plummeting as fast as the 2013 Lions did the 2nd half of the season.

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You know new coaches always sign a few former players who know their systems. This is just one of those signings.


Yep, I guess so far im looking for something to get excited about this offseason. so far (IMO) we have a MEH coach, and faster Nate 2.0 and everything else falls under the MEH category as well. I sound like im complaining (and maybe i am...a little) but i dont mean to. I'm simply just not excited so far by anything thats been done. If we score Emanual Sanders, or end up with Watkins in the draft, my opinion will probably change, but for now.....MEH!


I'd rather have a smart free agency that sets up an effective draft than a flashy name signing. The signings up to and including Pett IMO are smart, fiscally, and strategically. We'll just see how it plays out in 6 mon.... uh ohhhh, did someone put some Kool Aid in my coffee this morning?

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chilledmonkeybrains wrote:
regularjoe12 wrote:
Pablo wrote:
You know new coaches always sign a few former players who know their systems. This is just one of those signings.


Yep, I guess so far im looking for something to get excited about this offseason. so far (IMO) we have a MEH coach, and faster Nate 2.0 and everything else falls under the MEH category as well. I sound like im complaining (and maybe i am...a little) but i dont mean to. I'm simply just not excited so far by anything thats been done. If we score Emanual Sanders, or end up with Watkins in the draft, my opinion will probably change, but for now.....MEH!


I'd rather have a smart free agency that sets up an effective draft than a flashy name signing. The signings up to and including Pett IMO are smart, fiscally, and strategically. We'll just see how it plays out in 6 mon.... uh ohhhh, did someone put some Kool Aid in my coffee this morning?


Must have, cuz our new Saftey looks like a poor mans Delmas. I'm not looking for flashy...I'm looking for IMPROVEMENT. Tate is a step up... other than that, where have we improved this offseason? we're filling holes...but Im not seeing us fill them with anything better than we had before.

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The Lions haven't signed a player from the Jacksonville Jaguars yet. I like that.


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regularjoe12 wrote:
chilledmonkeybrains wrote:
regularjoe12 wrote:
Pablo wrote:
You know new coaches always sign a few former players who know their systems. This is just one of those signings.


Yep, I guess so far im looking for something to get excited about this offseason. so far (IMO) we have a MEH coach, and faster Nate 2.0 and everything else falls under the MEH category as well. I sound like im complaining (and maybe i am...a little) but i dont mean to. I'm simply just not excited so far by anything thats been done. If we score Emanual Sanders, or end up with Watkins in the draft, my opinion will probably change, but for now.....MEH!


I'd rather have a smart free agency that sets up an effective draft than a flashy name signing. The signings up to and including Pett IMO are smart, fiscally, and strategically. We'll just see how it plays out in 6 mon.... uh ohhhh, did someone put some Kool Aid in my coffee this morning?


Must have, cuz our new Saftey looks like a poor mans Delmas. I'm not looking for flashy...I'm looking for IMPROVEMENT. Tate is a step up... other than that, where have we improved this offseason? we're filling holes...but Im not seeing us fill them with anything better than we had before.


Ihedigbo not only hits harder, but as far as I know he actually uses his arms to tackle so I'd call that an upgrade over Delmas. Also Ihedigbo actually plays strong safety in a more traditional mold which will put Quinn back to a more natural FS role you would expect to see a former CB play. Then to go along with all that he had a better season than Delmas had stat wise with 100 combined tackles 2 FR and 3 INT.


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rao wrote:
regularjoe12 wrote:
chilledmonkeybrains wrote:
regularjoe12 wrote:
Pablo wrote:
You know new coaches always sign a few former players who know their systems. This is just one of those signings.


Yep, I guess so far im looking for something to get excited about this offseason. so far (IMO) we have a MEH coach, and faster Nate 2.0 and everything else falls under the MEH category as well. I sound like im complaining (and maybe i am...a little) but i dont mean to. I'm simply just not excited so far by anything thats been done. If we score Emanual Sanders, or end up with Watkins in the draft, my opinion will probably change, but for now.....MEH!


I'd rather have a smart free agency that sets up an effective draft than a flashy name signing. The signings up to and including Pett IMO are smart, fiscally, and strategically. We'll just see how it plays out in 6 mon.... uh ohhhh, did someone put some Kool Aid in my coffee this morning?


Must have, cuz our new Saftey looks like a poor mans Delmas. I'm not looking for flashy...I'm looking for IMPROVEMENT. Tate is a step up... other than that, where have we improved this offseason? we're filling holes...but Im not seeing us fill them with anything better than we had before.


Ihedigbo not only hits harder, but as far as I know he actually uses his arms to tackle so I'd call that an upgrade over Delmas. Also Ihedigbo actually plays strong safety in a more traditional mold which will put Quinn back to a more natural FS role you would expect to see a former CB play. Then to go along with all that he had a better season than Delmas had stat wise with 100 combined tackles 2 FR and 3 INT.


I hope you are right! I really really do. Maybe I just havn't watched him enough, but from what I have seen, I wont call him a liability (Like Delmas sometimes was) but I can't call him an upgrade either...I'm not impressed with his cover skills. Our Corners arnt stong enough to handle the job themselves, and while he might help us more against the run, I dont see him helping much in the passing game (where IMO we need the most help). Delmas looks much better in coverage than I have seen of the new guy.

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Screw Jared Allen, I wouldnt want him in a Lions uniform after all the disrespectful stuff hes said about this city, screw him.

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Allen is old, so fair market value for him isn't close to what he's asking at the moment. I think IF a team is going to pay a higher price for him, they'll wait until after week 1 so the entire years salary isn't guaranteed. If he doesn't play up to par, cut him and lose nothing.

Also Tapp is a 3-4 LB also, so I think he's more situational guy. With Austin running some hybrid schemes it wouldn't force them to switch personnel constantly. I think he might be more LB depth than DE depth in my opinion.


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regularjoe12 wrote:
rao wrote:
regularjoe12 wrote:
chilledmonkeybrains wrote:
regularjoe12 wrote:
Pablo wrote:
You know new coaches always sign a few former players who know their systems. This is just one of those signings.


Yep, I guess so far im looking for something to get excited about this offseason. so far (IMO) we have a MEH coach, and faster Nate 2.0 and everything else falls under the MEH category as well. I sound like im complaining (and maybe i am...a little) but i dont mean to. I'm simply just not excited so far by anything thats been done. If we score Emanual Sanders, or end up with Watkins in the draft, my opinion will probably change, but for now.....MEH!


I'd rather have a smart free agency that sets up an effective draft than a flashy name signing. The signings up to and including Pett IMO are smart, fiscally, and strategically. We'll just see how it plays out in 6 mon.... uh ohhhh, did someone put some Kool Aid in my coffee this morning?


Must have, cuz our new Saftey looks like a poor mans Delmas. I'm not looking for flashy...I'm looking for IMPROVEMENT. Tate is a step up... other than that, where have we improved this offseason? we're filling holes...but Im not seeing us fill them with anything better than we had before.


Ihedigbo not only hits harder, but as far as I know he actually uses his arms to tackle so I'd call that an upgrade over Delmas. Also Ihedigbo actually plays strong safety in a more traditional mold which will put Quinn back to a more natural FS role you would expect to see a former CB play. Then to go along with all that he had a better season than Delmas had stat wise with 100 combined tackles 2 FR and 3 INT.



I hope you are right! I really really do. Maybe I just havn't watched him enough, but from what I have seen, I wont call him a liability (Like Delmas sometimes was) but I can't call him an upgrade either...I'm not impressed with his cover skills. Our Corners arnt stong enough to handle the job themselves, and while he might help us more against the run, I dont see him helping much in the passing game (where IMO we need the most help). Delmas looks much better in coverage than I have seen of the new guy.


I understand your concerns with that, but with the size of the WR these days I think it may start to be good to have a guy that can lay the wood out there. For as reckless as Delmas was his hitting power never impressed me and that was with him going for the big hit everytime. Teams showed a few times last season that even a big guy like CJ can be taken off his game with big hits. Quinn and Carey are both pretty good coverage safeties when you are worried about the long plays, but I think a player like Ihedigbo will give the d some teeth. I think the non 1st round safeties should give really good value this year. I also don't believe the Lions ever had even a remote chance of signing Bryd or Ward. They were being courted by winning franchises willing to pay top dollar. Lions can't compete with that.


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Allen is old, so fair market value for him isn't close to what he's asking at the moment. I think IF a team is going to pay a higher price for him, they'll wait until after week 1 so the entire years salary isn't guaranteed. If he doesn't play up to par, cut him and lose nothing.

Also Tapp is a 3-4 LB also, so I think he's more situational guy. With Austin running some hybrid schemes it wouldn't force them to switch personnel constantly. I think he might be more LB depth than DE depth in my opinion.


I'm pretty sure Tapp has only played 3-4 LB for 1 year in his 9 year NFL career. He's going to give the Lions exactly what they got from Willie Young if not more. I think the only real concern the Lions should have at DE is on how Jones recovery is going. If he looks to be fine then they should be good at end, but if he's behind in his recovery a starter at LDE is going to be a legit need.


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The Lions haven't signed a player from the Jacksonville Jaguars yet. I like that.


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The real gain from Tapp is he should bring some accountability to the Lion's locker room. I followed him and the Hokies pretty closely while he was at VTech and he has always been a first guy in last guy out type of player and demands the same from his teammates. He isn't an elite talent unfortunately but should be a good rotational/insurance policy. As far as S goes not impressed with a guy with suspect coverage skills when they play the Packers and Bears twice a year and also have the Patriots on the schedule this season if I'm not mistaken. I think I would have rather seen them go after Clemons from Miami. At the end of the day the Pettigrew signing isn't great but he has shown he can play in the NFL and gives the Lions flexibility because he can block. That aspect is what I think is going to pay off becaus I envision quite a few more playaction passes this season and not the lame fake handoff from the shotgun that Linehan was calling.


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So far I am liking the moves in FA, nothing overly splashy but filling holes. Seems like what is overpaying a bit for Tate is being offset by getting Pettigrew for what a lot of observers feel was less than what he could have got. (side note, being a fly on the wall when Pettigrew starts reading the articles and goes back to his agent with a wtf!).

Also, just wanted to throw a theory out there just for fun. A lot of the salary cap/ signing of players discussions have involved whether Suh would restructure or not. But what if we look it at it from the other side of the coin. The Lions just came off a disappointing season where they basically gave away the division. Now they are semi rebuilding with new coaches and philosophies. Before any player restructures, would it be reasonable for Suh to wait and see that the team is committed to bringing the lions to the next level before offering to restructure. He is getting a big payday already, so why not wait to see what the team does before committing to the long term? If he doesn't like what he sees, then play out the contract, then opt to go to a what he sees as a true contender to win a championship. Maybe after a decent FA period, and a good draft, he will rework his deal to allow for another top tier player to be brought in to get the Lions over the hump.

Anyway, was just a thought running through my head on a boring Saturday morning drinking coffee.

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