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To fire Caldwell the Lions have to be willing to take a few steps back with Stafford. I think thats going to be the most difficult thing for Quinn to decide upon. Supposedly the Lions have room on the cap to make this a more talented roster - Im looking at that front 7. Quinn might look at his roster and honestly think - well we werent going to advance in the playoffs without a passrush or a running game anyway and the 9 or 10 wins the Lions will end up with might actually be more than what they should get with the roster Quinn provided and the injuries that they had to endure. Quinn might think, I better give Caldwell a chance with a more complete roster bc Stafford is really coming into his element commanding the offense even though opponents know the Lions can only hurt us throwing. On the other hand, Quinn might also look at it like a lot of us do and think - well, can i really keep going with a guy that cant get the right number of people on the field? that cant pull out the red challenge flag or manage a clock? a guy that wont kick a go ahead FG? a guy who seems always just maybe a step behind the opposing coach in games?

My money would be on Caldwell being let go based on the mistake s he s made but it might set them back a year or two with Stafford depending on what kind of offensive coordinator they bring in. Its also why I think Quinn badly erred in how he approached his first two offseasons. After two years, Quinn still doesnt know how Caldwell might do with a more complete roster and the more time he invests in Caldwell without knowing - the less time he s leaving his next coach in getting a chance with some of the high level players they do have.


December 10th, 2017, 9:07 pm
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At this point, would it be in our best interest to let Caldwell go and promote Jim Bob Cooter. I mean, we’re at risk to losing him or Teryl Austin to HC’s jobs. I know in the past, they’ve been highly courted by teams for HC consideration. So why let one of them walk out the building particularly JBC and he go to some other team and do what Pederson or McVay is doing for another organization, while we give Caldwell another year an get 8-8 results. Then we go out and hire Josh “I’m Just the Clipboard Holder for Tom Brady” McDaniels and he do what he did in Denver.

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December 11th, 2017, 5:48 pm
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I dont think JBC is at that level right not but its hard to say since the personnel is so limited


December 12th, 2017, 1:13 am
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JBC should be a legit candidate for the job, but it's hard to say which direction Quinn is going to go. This will likely be the only coach he hires, so he has to get it right. Personally, I would grab Dave Toub.

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December 12th, 2017, 11:09 am
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All ill say is that promoting from within never works. Teryl austins defenses have only gotten worse and while jbc has gotten the most out of stafford i dont think ut makes hum deserving of a HC job. I believe if a new OC comes they would tailor the offense to Stafford and not try to force a scheme on jim a la Lombardi


December 15th, 2017, 11:57 am
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JBC has regressed as a coordinator, why would he be a HC candidate?

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JBC has regressed as a coordinator, why would he be a HC candidate?


I agree with this. His obsession to force the run even when it was failing misserably, early in the season. To failing to switch to a quick pass/quick out/ screen offense, mid season before decker came back and LT was a revolving door. To his total abandonment of the run even when we had a lead last this season. And finally it has annoyed me his entire tenure here that he refuses to pick a rb and stick with him for at least a game. It not uncommon for a RB to get better as he warms up mid game. Last year we saw that zenner typically got hot around carry 6-7...and then we'd stop using him and switch to another RB. We saw the same with Washington, and a little with green.

I'm beginning to think JBC isn't what made this offense better as much as finally taking the leash off Stafford. If we make any changes, I'm of the belief that the new OC must understand that this is Matt's offense to run, and the OC's job is to find a run game to give to Matt.

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December 17th, 2017, 5:48 pm
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conversion02 wrote:
JBC has regressed as a coordinator, why would he be a HC candidate?


I agree with this. His obsession to force the run even when it was failing misserably, early in the season. To failing to switch to a quick pass/quick out/ screen offense, mid season before decker came back and LT was a revolving door. To his total abandonment of the run even when we had a lead last this season. And finally it has annoyed me his entire tenure here that he refuses to pick a rb and stick with him for at least a game. It not uncommon for a RB to get better as he warms up mid game. Last year we saw that zenner typically got hot around carry 6-7...and then we'd stop using him and switch to another RB. We saw the same with Washington, and a little with green.

I'm beginning to think JBC isn't what made this offense better as much as finally taking the leash off Stafford. If we make any changes, I'm of the belief that the new OC must understand that this is Matt's offense to run, and the OC's job is to find a run game to give to Matt.


You summed it nicely.

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It's incorrect to say JBC has regressed, he has just never improved. He said himself that he needed to learn how to use the run better, but still has shown no improvement over 2 seasons. He has been creative at times with the pass and he's the guy that recognized that Stafford could be let loose. He deserves some credit for Stafford's improvement and it falls into what he was originally brought to Detroit for in the first place. JBC was a QB coach thrown into an OC role mid season and he's been great at the QB part of his job. As for being a head coaching candidate, I would say he's probably still going to get plenty of looks. The HC doesn't have to call the plays, so I could see a team with a young QB or ready to draft one be interested in a guy like JBC. I think he could also work for Detroit, but you may as well just keep Caldwell another year since your already paying him and just add a dedicated run game coordinator to work with JBC.


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Officially on the #FireCaldwell train. Dude is an idiot

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Well, that was outstanding.

Caldwell has gone as far as he can I think. This team has blown every must win game he has coached, I think. Too many for my taste. Can him this off season, and if Quinn can't get any impact players, he can be next. I am not impressed with the young genius.

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Unfortunately for Caldwell, even after winning seasons and playoff appearances, your team can't lose a must win game like the this one against the Bengals and think you have done a good job.

Time for a new start, sigh, again.

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Hopefully today's putrid display will finally be enough to convince the front office to make a change. Can't come soon enough for me.


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Hopefully today's putrid display will finally be enough to convince the front office to make a change. Can't come soon enough for me.


I feel like this game was more of a show of the lack of talent on the roster rather than bad coaching. Prater missed a kick that if he makes is probably enough for them to win but guys are dropping passes, the QB is running for his life, Cincy is completing passes on your top 2 CBs in clutch situations, Cincy backup TE is schooling your pro bowl snub safety, Lions DL cant stand there ground against a below average OL, none of the Lions Lbackers can read or react quick enough to adequately defend play action, misdirections, etc. Im supportive of replacing Caldwell but I stand firm that he has pretty much overachieved as far as his record as Lions coach given the talent level provided him by his front office - and that is moreso in Quinn s 2 years running the helm where Quinn has left vast holes in important parts of the roster. Until Quinn realizes that the roster is not good enough the next coach wont have much of a chance either. This method of hoping that bargain free agents or 6th and 7th rounders can pull major weight has had a couple of hits but cant be entirely relied upon to carry a winning team.


December 24th, 2017, 10:14 pm
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It’s not Quinn’s fault that his top 2 pass rushers in Ziggy and Hyder were hurt half the year or on IR. It’s not Quinn’s fault that he had like 9 different starting OL combos this season because everyone’s hurt. It’s not Quinn’s fault that Players consistently blow edge contain on outside rush plays. I could go on and on, but you can’t say Quinn left huge holes when most of the huge holes are created by injuries. If you want to say LB - I’ll agree, however, many people wanted Killibrew in there and he’s been pretty bad. Caldwell has been advocating for Killibrew at LB. if the coach hand the OC say they don’t need or want a FB, Quinn won’t give them one. I think Caldwell and the staff are much more to blame than you guys are giving them.

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