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Post Winslow Stands to Lose Bonus
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Sun, 22 May 2005 07:22:53 -0700

Updating previous reports, Patrick McManamon, of the Akron Beacon Journal, reports Cleveland Browns TE Kellen Winslow Jr. (knee) stands to lose out on the $2.4 million bonus he is owed in July this year due to a breach in contract after his reckless motorcycle accident that will force him to miss the entire 2005 season with a knee injury. The team could consider transforming that bonus money into performance clauses in his contract.



There's not a chance I would pay him this bonus under any circumstances! In fact I'd sue him to get back what I've already paid him. He's a head case and damaged goods. He may never be the same after this knee injury.


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Wonder if his broken leg was the same limb as his torn ACL. That'd be interesting.


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Post Winslow Jr. Expected to be Asked for Money
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Tue, 24 May 2005 23:10:31 -0700

Adam Schefter, of NFL.com, reports the Cleveland Browns are expected to ask TE Kellen Winslow Jr. to repay about $3 million worth of bonuses already paid to him. The team is also expected to withhold the $2 million bonus payment due to Winslow Jr. in July. The Browns are trying to decide the right time to ask for the money and right now that appears to be when Winslow Jr. fails to arrive at the team's mandatory minicamp next month.


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Browns tight end Kellen Winslow has released the following statment Thursday:

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"I want to first and foremost thank the Cleveland Browns organization, the coaching staff, medical staff, my teammates and fans of the Cleveland Browns who have continued to pray for my recovery. I cannot express how moved I am by the support and words of encouragement I have received from all over the country.

"To those members of the Cleveland Browns family who I have disappointed by my decision to ride a motorcycle, I humbly apologize. In hindsight it was unwise to attempt to learn to ride a motorcycle without a professional instructor in a controlled environment. While many of you are disappointed that I will not be on the field with my teammates for this upcoming season, no one is more disappointed in this fact than me.

"I worked extremely hard to recover from last season's injury. To the entire Cleveland Browns family, I pledge to work twice as hard to recover from the injuries sustained from my motorcycle accident."


May 27th, 2005, 11:29 am
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spiderman wrote:
Browns tight end Kellen Winslow has released the following statment Thursday:

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"To those members of the Cleveland Browns family who I have disappointed by my decision to ride a motorcycle, I humbly apologize. In hindsight it was unwise to attempt to learn to ride a motorcycle without a professional instructor in a controlled environment.


Everyone knows that this assclown was pulling wheelies at 45 MPH. No beginner, in their right mind, should be popping wheelies while learning how to ride! This statement just goes to show how much Winslow talks out of his badonkadonk.


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I wonder how many lawyers, agents, and PR guys looked at that "statement" before it was released?


Who do you guys think wrote it?

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I wonder how many lawyers, agents, and PR guys looked at that "statement" before it was released?


Who do you guys think wrote it?



BS2053,

You are SO right!!

When I read that I said "He is to stupid to have written this himself; his agents - the Postons - wrote it".

I'm certain of that.


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bsand2053 wrote:
I wonder how many lawyers, agents, and PR guys looked at that "statement" before it was released?


Who do you guys think wrote it?



BS2053,

You are SO right!!

When I read that I said "He is to stupid to have written this himself; his agents - the Postons - wrote it".

I'm certain of that.


If the Postons wrote it, then they need to brush up on their command of the rules of grammar. They used "who" when they should have used "whom" and they wrote "no one is more disappointed in this fact than me" when they should have written "no one is more disappointed than I."

I know that it's quibbling to take issue with these things, but why pull punches when we're talking about the Postons? :D

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Winslow Sr.: 'He's not a piece of property'



INDEPENDENCE, Ohio -- Injured Cleveland Browns tight end Kellen Winslow II made his first public appearance since his motorcycle crash, and his father used the occasion Friday night to lambaste the media for its coverage of the accident.

The 21-year-old Winslow tore the anterior cruciate ligament in his right knee when he wrecked his high-powered motorcycle May 1 while doing tricks in a secluded parking lot near his home. He will miss all of next season.

Winslow II, who missed 14 games as a rookie with a broken right leg, will undergo surgery in the next few weeks.

Shortly after arriving at an auction and roast celebrating the Browns' 1964 NFL championship team, the former first-round pick, who didn't limp, said he didn't want to talk to waiting reporters.

"No," he said politely. "I'm good."

Kellen Winslow Sr., who drove his son to the event and escorted him into the hotel, initially said he would not comment, either. However, a few hours later, the Hall of Famer changed his mind.

The former San Diego Chargers star angrily accused the media of turning the younger Winslow's accident and recovery into a spectacle.

"I'm disappointed in the way you guys have handled it. Twenty-one-year-old people make mistakes," he said. "He made a mistake. You made it a circus. Remember when you were 21? A human being at 21 makes mistakes. He's not a piece of property."

Winslow Sr. was asked if he expected his son to make a full recovery.

"It's a long career," he said. "I played nine years in the National Football League. Technically, I played six years -- two strikes, two major injuries and I came out OK. We look at it as a long-term career.

"You guys look at it as a moment in time and you blow it out of proportion. This Jerry Springer mentality of journalism, you guys are better than that. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Presidents make mistakes. Senators make mistakes. Journalists, if you still call yourselves that, make mistakes."

As his father was speaking in the hallway, Kellen Winslow II was inside the ballroom listening to a speech by Hall of Fame Browns running back Jim Brown.

Because Winslow II breached a "dangerous activities" clause in his contract by getting hurt while riding a motorcycle, the Browns may try to recoup some of the bonus money they have paid him.



I completely agree that 21 year olds make mistakes. We all do. That's going to happen. I don't have an issue with that. I take issue with the attitude and complete lack of personal accountability displayed by KWII. After listening to his Dad - I know where it comes from.

Winslow Sr. is an rectum. He proves it every time he opens his mouth. Regarding Millen and head coach selections; At draft time this year; and again now.

Blaming the press for turning it into a circus - I don't get it. I didn't see the press do that. The net maybe - but that's why we're here! And if you do stupid things and don't own up to it - learn to expect it.

Is it only me who noticed that the furor over KWII calmed down after his public statement of apology (even though it was obviously not crafted by him). I believe that's all the public wants - just admit you F***ed Up and people will forgive you... The vast majority of the time.

Enter KW Sr. and point the finger at others and you're fair game again.

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Post More about Winslow Jr. Contract Situation
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Fri, 15 Jul 2005 19:48:35 -0700

Adam Schefter, of NFL.com, reports the Cleveland Browns are trying to reach a peaceful solution with TE Kellen Winslow Jr. over his contract situation. The Browns and Winslow already are discussing various ways about how to best address the situation in which the tight end's contract calls for him to be paid a $2 million bonus on Friday, July 15, another $950,000 bonus on December 15 and a $2.4125 million bonus on July 15, 2006. The Browns are determined to prove that Winslow's actions with his motorcycle crash carry consequences. Thus, they won't pay him the $2 million bonus due Friday, July 15. Winslow and Winslow's father are discussing a long-term solution with the Browns so Cleveland can be properly compensated and Winslow can remain a significant part of the Browns future.


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Sat, 16 Jul 2005 20:28:54 -0700

Terry Pluto, of the Akron Beacon Journal, reports the Cleveland Browns have decided to take a middle of the road approach to TE Kellen Winslow Jr.'s contract. They are not going after old money. Some experts think that the Browns could ask Winslow to give back up to $5 million, but that would probably lead to a long legal dispute. One NFL executive told Pluto: "You only do that if you plan to get rid of the player. Otherwise, you work a compromise." Winslow is due: $2 million July 15, 2005, $950,000 Dec. 15, 2005 and $2.4 million July 15, 2006. At each of those dates, the Browns will evaluate Winslow's progress and then determine if the payment will be made. Winslow also has some cash in salaries for each year through 2009. The team wants to see how he handles his rehab before deciding on whether to pay him or not. Other questions are: Will he remain close to the team while he can't play? Will he buy into the new discipline brought by coach Romeo Crennel? How will he come back from the knee surgery? They don't want to cut him and have him reach his potential with another team. They wisely realize that they are heavily invested in Winslow, so why not be patient and see how it develops?



If it were me I would probably go after the $5 Mil then get rid of him. But given the headache involved with that, this is most likely the reasonable thing to do.


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Sat, 30 Jul 2005 14:00:19 -0700

Tom Withers, of the Associated Press, reports the Cleveland Browns are attempting to restructure the contract of TE Kellen Winslow Jr. to give him a chance to earn back the money they've withheld in previous bonuses. "We are currently discussing a structure that includes the ability where he can earn the lion's share of what he could have made," owner Randy Lerner said. Lerner said the club has had "productive" meetings with Winslow, his family and agents Kevin and Carl Poston to resolve what has been a sensitive issue for the team. Lerner has deferred to first-year general manager Phil Savage in deciding on which route to take with Winslow. Lerner realizes there was a danger of sending the wrong message if the Browns hadn't penalized Winslow for his careless act which injured him and cost him the 2005 season.



I'm not sure that Randy Lerner could be any more fair than he is here. Maybe KW2 will grow up as a result of all this.


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Thu, 11 Aug 2005 23:20:50 -0700

According to ESPN.com's Chris Mortensen, the Cleveland Browns and TE Kellen Winslow Jr. are close to finalizing an agreement that addresses the $10 million bonus that was part of the contract Winslow signed as a rookie in 2004. Under the proposed agreement, the $5 million bonus Winslow has already received will now be designated as a loan but will be forgiven if there are no other breach of contract issues. Of the other $5 million owed to Winslow, $4 million have been rolled into obtainable performance incentives, but $1 million is going to be his penalty for the motorcycle mishap. The new agreement also added one more year to his contract.



This sounds like a fairly creative solution for this 'mishap'.


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Well, if he really was a "soldier" he would have followed orders to begin with :? He is very lucky that the Browns are that generous. Although they need any talent they can get even if it's not for another year :lol:

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