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2010-11 bowl schedule
The 2010-11 bowl season starts in Albuquerque, N.M., and ends in Glendale, Ariz. Here's a look at the schedule from the New Mexico Bowl on Dec. 18 to the Tostitos BCS National Championship Game on Jan. 10 in University of Phoenix Stadium.
All times Eastern
2010-11 College Football Bowl Schedule Bowl Location Date/Time Network New Mexico BYU vs. UTEP Albuquerque, N.M. University Stadium Dec. 18 2 p.m. ESPN uDrove Humanitarian Northern Illinois vs. Fresno State Boise, Idaho Bronco Stadium Dec. 18 5:30 p.m. ESPN R+L Carriers New Orleans Ohio vs. Troy New Orleans Louisiana Superdome Dec. 18 9 p.m. ESPN Beef 'O' Brady's St. Petersburg Southern Mississippi vs. Louisville St. Petersburg, Fla. Tropicana Field Dec. 21 8 p.m. ESPN MAACO Las Vegas Utah vs. Boise State Las Vegas Sam Boyd Stadium Dec. 22 8 p.m. ESPN S.D. County Credit Union Poinsettia Navy vs. San Diego State San Diego Qualcomm Stadium Dec. 23 8 p.m. ESPN Sheraton Hawaii Hawaii vs. Tulsa Honolulu Aloha Stadium Dec. 24 8 p.m. ESPN Little Caesars Florida International vs. Toledo Detroit Ford Field Dec. 26 8:30 p.m. ESPN AdvoCare V100 Independence Air Force vs. Georgia Tech Shreveport, La. Independence Stadium Dec. 27 5 p.m. ESPN2 Champs Sports West Virginia vs. NC State Orlando, Fla. Florida Citrus Bowl Dec. 28 6:30 p.m. ESPN Insight Missouri vs. Iowa Tempe, Ariz. Sun Devil Stadium Dec. 28 10 p.m. ESPN Military Bowl Presented By Northrop Grumman East Carolina vs. Maryland Washington, D.C. RFK Stadium Dec. 29 2:30 p.m. ESPN Texas Illinois vs. Baylor Houston Reliant Stadium Dec. 29 6 p.m. ESPN Valero Alamo Oklahoma State vs. Arizona San Antonio Alamodome Dec. 29 9:15 p.m. ESPN Bell Helicopter Armed Forces Army vs. SMU Dallas Gerald J. Ford Stadium Dec. 30 Noon ESPN New Era Pinstripe Kansas St. vs. Syracuse Bronx, N.Y. Yankee Stadium Dec. 30 3:20 p.m. ESPN Franklin American Mortgage Music City North Carolina vs. Tennessee Nashville, Tenn. LP Field Dec. 30 6:40 p.m. ESPN Bridgepoint Education Holiday Nebraska vs. Washington San Diego Qualcomm Stadium Dec. 30 10 p.m. ESPN Meineke Car Care South Florida vs. Clemson Charlotte, N.C. Bank of America Stadium Dec. 31 Noon ESPN Hyundai Sun Notre Dame vs. Miami El Paso, Texas Sun Bowl Dec. 31 2 p.m. CBS AutoZone Liberty Georgia vs. UCF Memphis, Tenn. Liberty Bowl Dec. 31 3:30 p.m. ESPN Chick-fil-A South Carolina vs. Florida State Atlanta Georgia Dome Dec. 31 7:30 p.m. ESPN TicketCity Northwestern vs. Texas Tech Dallas Cotton Bowl Jan. 1 Noon ESPNU Outback Florida vs. Penn State Tampa, Fla. Raymond James Stadium Jan. 1 1 p.m. ABC Capital One Alabama vs. Michigan State Orlando, Fla. Florida Citrus Bowl Jan. 1 1 p.m. ESPN Gator Bowl Mississippi State vs. Michigan Jacksonville, Fla. Municipal Stadium Jan. 1 1:30 p.m. ESPN2 Rose Bowl Game presented by VIZIO Wisconsin vs. TCU Pasadena, Calif. Rose Bowl Jan. 1 5 p.m. ESPN Tostitos Fiesta Connecticut vs. Oklahoma Glendale, Ariz. U. of Phoenix Stadium Jan. 1 8:30 p.m. ESPN/ESPN3D Discover Orange Stanford vs. Virginia Tech Miami Sun Life Stadium Jan. 3 8:30 p.m. ESPN Allstate Sugar Ohio State vs. Arkansas New Orleans Louisiana Superdome Jan. 4 8:30 p.m. ESPN GoDaddy.com Middle Tennessee vs. Miami (Ohio) Mobile, Ala. Ladd-Peebles Stadium Jan. 6 8 p.m. ESPN AT&T Cotton LSU vs. Texas A&M Arlington, Texas Cowboys Stadium Jan. 7 8 p.m. FOX BBVA Compass Bowl Pittsburgh vs. Kentucky Birmingham, Ala. Legion Field Jan. 8 Noon ESPN Kraft Fight Hunger Nevada vs. Boston College San Francisco AT&T Park Jan. 9 9 p.m. ESPN Tostitos BCS National Championship Game Oregon vs. Auburn Glendale, Ariz. U. of Phoenix Stadium Jan. 10 8:30 p.m. ESPN/ESPN3D
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December 6th, 2010, 10:16 am
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Re: 2010-11 bowl schedule
The 2010-11 Big Ten bowl lineup is now official.
As expected, Wisconsin earned the league's automatic BCS berth and will face TCU in the Rose Bowl Game presented by Vizio. It marks Wisconsin's first trip to Pasadena since 2000.
Ohio State earned a BCS bowl berth for the sixth consecutive year and will face Arkansas in the Allstate Sugar Bowl.
Not surprisingly, Michigan State was snubbed by the BCS selections but gets to face defending national champion Alabama in the Capital One Bowl.
Iowa is headed to the Insight Bowl to face Missouri for the first time since 1910.
Here's the full lineup:
Insight Bowl, Dec. 28: Iowa vs. Missouri
Texas Bowl, Dec. 29: Illinois vs. Baylor
TicketCity Bowl, Jan. 1: Northwestern vs. Texas Tech
Gator Bowl Presented by 5-Hour Energy, Jan. 1: Michigan vs. Mississippi State
Outback Bowl, Jan. 1: Penn State vs. Florida
Capital One Bowl, Jan. 1: Michigan State vs. Alabama
Rose Bowl Game presented by Vizio: Wisconsin vs. TCU
Allstate Sugar Bowl: Ohio State vs. Arkansas
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December 6th, 2010, 11:15 am
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Re: 2010-11 bowl schedule
Indeed, a great time of year
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December 6th, 2010, 11:17 am
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Re: 2010-11 bowl schedule
steensn wrote:
As expected, Wisconsin earned the league's automatic BCS berth and will face TCU in the Rose Bowl Game presented by Vizio. It marks Wisconsin's first trip to Pasadena since 2000.
Ohio State earned a BCS bowl berth for the sixth consecutive year and will face Arkansas in the Allstate Sugar Bowl.
Not surprisingly, Michigan State was snubbed by the BCS selections but gets to face defending national champion Alabama in the Capital One Bowl.
so lame... College football is really broken and needs some fixin.
By broke, is it that a VT team that got beat by James Madison, or a terrible Uconn, both getting a BSC bid? In that case, there needs to be some provisions for ending up in the top 10 final BCS rankings or something.
But the BCS has the BEST two teams playing each other in college football, it did it's job.
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December 6th, 2010, 12:01 pm
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Re: 2010-11 bowl schedule
steensn wrote:
By broke, is it that a VT team that got beat by James Madison, or a terrible Uconn, both getting a BSC bid? In that case, there needs to be some provisions for ending up in the top 10 final BCS rankings or something.
But the BCS has the BEST two teams playing each other in college football, it did it's job.
Really, so only the top two teams in a regular season should play in the title game? I guess then that only the teams with the best NFC an AFC records need to play in the SuperBowl.
BTW - the BEST two teams in your opinion, I'd happen to disagree but we will never know because of this jacked up system. Let's determine this on the field, not in the computers...
That is fine, you can disagree with y opinion, but it is shared by most of the US. There are very few who dissent, on the basis of any normal dissension.
Look, the two best teams should play each other, regular season or not. These are the two best teams in the country, based on most the countries opinion and their play. A single loss playoff system doesn't pit the two best teams in the championship game usually. The two best teams could be in the same bracket, maybe they lost in the final four to the best team. Either way, everything is flawed and the same arguments can be said for the playoff system.
I want to see the two best teams in the country square off, a playoff does not guarantee that anymore than the BCS. I think this is a combination of opinion and some logical algorithm to help clear it up a bit. The BCS attempts to do that, though some rules keep some great teams from good bowl games. Arguably, the CAPITAL ONE BOWL this year is better than the TOSTITOS FIESTA BOWL... but that is getting picky when a playoff doesn't even afford these teams the option to make this kind of cash post season. I think some rules should change to get the right teams in place for the bigger bowl games, UCONN and VT should not be in a BCS game.
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December 6th, 2010, 1:14 pm
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Re: 2010-11 bowl schedule
Actually, I thinks most folks opinion is that the BCS sucks and would like a playoff system. I want to see two teams play for a championship that earned it by knocking off other great teams, not by "oh they were the best team in the regular season" - thankfully Pro sports and NCAA B-Ball get this.
This opinion stuff is OK for figure skating and gymnastics, but not football!
You keep saying "regular season" like it doesn't mean anything. You have a false belief that a playoff system is somehow more fair. Why does a win in a bracket mean more than a win in the regular season? If OSU beats MSU twice in regular season then faces off in the playoff and loses, why does that one win count and the others not? It's easy, because artificial importance is placed on that one win. it only means more because it is the step to get farther. Why can't those steps be in the regular season? Why can't every game or win matter? Why do we have to rely on one game to have all the meaning?
I'm sorry, but it is a farce...
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December 6th, 2010, 2:19 pm
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Re: 2010-11 bowl schedule
Pablo wrote:
Actually, I thinks most folks opinion is that the BCS sucks and would like a playoff system. I want to see two teams play for a championship that earned it by knocking off other great teams, not by "oh they were the best team in the regular season" - thankfully Pro sports and NCAA B-Ball get this.
Agreed!
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This opinion stuff is OK for figure skating and gymnastics, but not football!
LMAO!!!
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December 6th, 2010, 3:30 pm
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Re: 2010-11 bowl schedule
steensn wrote:
You keep saying "regular season" like it doesn't mean anything. You have a false belief that a playoff system is somehow more fair. Why does a win in a bracket mean more than a win in the regular season? If OSU beats MSU twice in regular season then faces off in the playoff and loses, why does that one win count and the others not? It's easy, because artificial importance is placed on that one win. it only means more because it is the step to get farther. Why can't those steps be in the regular season? Why can't every game or win matter? Why do we have to rely on one game to have all the meaning?
IMO the "regular season" counts for seeding in the playoffs and the playoffs are where champions are crowned.
Let me put it this way: Why does ANY sport have a playoff system? Why not just bypass that part of the competition altogether, maybe just extend all the seasons to make up for the difference, right?
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December 6th, 2010, 3:35 pm
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Re: 2010-11 bowl schedule
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Why does a win in a bracket mean more than a win in the regular season?
Because it is win or go home. Really, you can't understand that? Would a Lions playoff win mean more than a regular season win? Hell ya.
Based on your logic, hell just name Auburn the champion now - why do they even need to play a game since most people and the computers this Auburn was the best team in the regular season. Starting to see how flawed your argument is yet?
But you still don't get it. Let's see OSU finishes one spot ahead of MSU in basically every poll but gets into a BCS game and gets $17M to the Spartans $4.25M, really one spot in the standing equals four times the payout? talk about a farce...
BTW - here is an interesting article on how the BCS rankings aren't checked and just another reason why they are flawed...
IMO the "regular season" counts for seeding in the playoffs and the playoffs are where champions are crowned.
Let me put it this way: Why does ANY sport have a playoff system? Why not just bypass that part of the competition altogether, maybe just extend all the seasons to make up for the difference, right?
There is a distinct difference here IMO. I agree a playoff is the way to crown THE champion. Not to determine the #2, #3, etc. It certainly crowns the champion as best you can determine. I think the NBA/NHL playoffs do the best deciding, they do multiple game series to make sure it wasn't a one time thing. That is their job, the point is to crown the champion. It is a business... perfect for me IMO.
In the NCAA basketball world, there is a compromise for the students so they are not overwhelmed, they do not play multiple game series. There is LESS likely a chance the best team actually wins it all, but it is good enough for the situation and trade offs. Fine, we all agree...
In the NCAA football world, there is tradition, $$$, etc. at steak. The schools WILL NOT let go of bowl games because that keeps their programs running. For example, the OSU athletics actually funs the academics to some level. The small schools are playing for a chunk of change too, just to keep their athletics open. A playoff system WILL NOT distribute that kind of money. It simply won't happen because schools cannot afford it. The NCAA basketball can have their tourney because the FOOTBALL programs are raking in the dough to fund the athletic department. It's simple... tradition and $$$ will never see the bowl games go away. Even Pablo is complaining about not getting the $$$ yet wants to do away with it!?
The BCS looks to pit great match ups of the best teams. It did it this year, it has done it in years past. NCAA football doesn't need a 100% for sure winner... it is the biggest college sport by far even with it's flaws. Why change it? The goal doesn't need to be crown a champ on your way to losing the millions of dollars pumped into the schools. It isn't worth it because it isn't a NEED.
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Ouch.. haha!
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December 6th, 2010, 4:01 pm
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Re: 2010-11 bowl schedule
steensn wrote:
In the NCAA football world, there is tradition, $$$, etc. at steak. The schools WILL NOT let go of bowl games because that keeps their programs running. For example, the OSU athletics actually funs the academics to some level. The small schools are playing for a chunk of change too, just to keep their athletics open. A playoff system WILL NOT distribute that kind of money. It simply won't happen because schools cannot afford it. The NCAA basketball can have their tourney because the FOOTBALL programs are raking in the dough to fund the athletic department. It's simple... tradition and $$$ will never see the bowl games go away. Even Pablo is complaining about not getting the $$$ yet wants to do away with it!?
The BCS looks to pit great match ups of the best teams. It did it this year, it has done it in years past. NCAA football doesn't need a 100% for sure winner... it is the biggest college sport by far even with it's flaws. Why change it? The goal doesn't need to be crown a champ on your way to losing the millions of dollars pumped into the schools. It isn't worth it because it isn't a NEED.
Who said anything about giving up the Bowl games??? Incorporate those bowl games into the playoff capping it off with a TRUE, LEGIT National Championship game. Why can't that be done? Why does it have to be Bowl game OR playoff? Not too mention, a true playoff system would probably generate MORE $$$ for the schools (and NCAA as a whole).
First off, I'm sure we all know I am NO NCAA football expert (not really that big of a fan...)...that being said, here is my Q&D ideas for a potential playoff system:
ALL NCAA D1/BCS conferences will have a Conf Championship game (which could be some of the current Bowl games??) The winners of those games, will face each other and so on until a true National Championship game is played. Teams that don't make it to their Champ game will be going to Bowl games.
Granted that is very simplistic, but I'm sure you get the idea. Its not really that far fetched or that difficult to accomplish. Will it take some time? Sure, but the end result should eliminate all this ranking crap (which is purely subjective).
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December 6th, 2010, 4:14 pm
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Re: 2010-11 bowl schedule
Football has to be a one and done playoff system as you can't have a multiple game series due to the recovery time of the sport.
steensn wrote:
A playoff system WILL NOT distribute that kind of money. It simply won't happen because schools cannot afford it. The NCAA basketball can have their tourney because the FOOTBALL programs are raking in the dough to fund the athletic department. It's simple... tradition and $$$ will never see the bowl games go away. Even Pablo is complaining about not getting the $$$ yet wants to do away with it!?
I'm not complaining about the $ per se, I'm stating how flawed even that system is. One spot in the rankings = 4X the $, so MSU's other sports are screwed because the computers put OSU one spot ahead - that makes it fair? BTW - shouldn't the system be set up to distribute the $ in a fairer means?
steensn wrote:
it is the biggest college sport by far even with it's flaws. Why change it?
So it's the biggest sport, why change it? Hummmmm, to make it better - much better? A novel concept I know. GM was the biggest automaker in the world, did they need changing? Rome was the most powerful... Oh, I could go on and on blowing away that line of thinking. Your argument has been made by MLB for years, how is that turning out? Well, I guess they are still America's passtime.
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