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Draft "gurus" all tend to overlook offensive linemen. At least until April when they suddenly are "moving up the boards" yet have done nothing new.

If the Lions don't protect Stafford and he keeps getting injured the future is not so bright.

By the time the draft comes there will be an OT well worth pick 13.


The Lions Offensive line gave up the 6th fewest sacks in the league. I think we are protecting him just fine. The times he got sacked were mainly because he didn't get rid of the ball fast enough. Indecision got Stafford hurt. He needs to get it out quickly if he wants to stay healthy.


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I'm hoping that the Lions don't take an OT in the draft, let alone the 1st round. Right now, they have Backus, Cherilus, Fox, and Hilliard under contract or tendered. I'd stick with that group and hope that either Fox or Hilliard develops into a starter. If not, then the position could be a priority in 2012. If anything, I'd like to see them address the interior OL (an OG/C flex player in particular) this draft.

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Backus gave up the one big sack that got Stafford hurt in game 1, but LT is not our problem area. RT isn't even our problem area. The area we allowed too much pressure and the reason we couldn't run the ball consistently, was the interior line, specifically on the right side. C and G and neither of those are 1st round picks.

Dom is scrappy, but he doesn't have the strength anymore to consistently get push in the middle. Peterman got his money and played pathetically. Replacing Dom could do the trick if Peterman returned to form, but i'd rather get a C and a Guard and see immediate improvement.

All these mock specialists haven't spent a lot of time looking at Lion's tape. They just know Stafford got hurt and they want to toss the LT's in the mix. Even grabbing a top-end LT wouldnt' improve our offense, because the problem area is still there. Teams loaded up our left side because we couldn't run right to save our lives.

LT is a need next season if Fox or a FA replacement can't be found, but not this draft.


March 9th, 2011, 3:08 am
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Daniel Loper got a 2 yr contract for about $4mill from the Raiders. Should he be in our lockeroom? Nope! I have to agree with you folk's last 3 posts. Our interior OLine is the O's biggest problem (other than Stafford not being on the field).
I keep seeing mocks having us taking a LT and having Backus slide to LG.

#1 we don't need a LG. Rob Sims will do just fine! Can Backus play LG? Can Fox start at LT? If so all we need is a center that hates opposing players more than he does the fans!

We will need a LT before too long and I'm hoping that our staff can put Fox there. That would be awesome.

Moving to RG might give Backus a couple of more years. Peterman is a waste of a roster spot. The sooner we can replace Riola the better. Just because these two have been on the team for 10+ yrs does not mean they are starters.

Draft the BPA unless we trade down and draft Pouncey, which would be pretty cool.


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Daniel Loper got a 2 yr contract for about $4mill from the Raiders. Should he be in our lockeroom? Nope! I have to agree with you folk's last 3 posts. Our interior OLine is the O's biggest problem (other than Stafford not being on the field).
I keep seeing mocks having us taking a LT and having Backus slide to LG.

#1 we don't need a LG. Rob Sims will do just fine! Can Backus play LG? Can Fox start at LT? If so all we need is a center that hates opposing players more than he does the fans!

We will need a LT before too long and I'm hoping that our staff can put Fox there. That would be awesome.

Moving to RG might give Backus a couple of more years. Peterman is a waste of a roster spot. The sooner we can replace Riola the better. Just because these two have been on the team for 10+ yrs does not mean they are starters.

Draft the BPA unless we trade down and draft Pouncey, which would be pretty cool.


I had been thinking lately that it wouldn't be a bad idea to trade back to the late teens/early 20s and grab Pouncey. At worst, he can play RG if he can't take over the C position from Raiola.

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I had been thinking lately that it wouldn't be a bad idea to trade back to the late teens/early 20s and grab Pouncey. At worst, he can play RG if he can't take over the C position from Raiola.



No need for that. I'd prefer the Lions use their third round pick on John Moffitt. The big knack on Moffitt right now is that he ran a 5.55 forty time at the Combines. Who the Hell cares? The Lions can play him at either center or guard, and he was one of the more impressive interior lineman at the Senior Bowl this year. He's got a mean streak, is strong and has more size than Raiola. He's the guy I hope the Lions take if they want an interior lineman for the offense.

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I was higher on Moffitt earlier in the process than I am now, but I still like him. I would be happy with him as our third round pick if we have addressed CB and LB already (either draft or FA).


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I think the big problem with both of our tackles is that they don't run block all that well. Backus is ok and so is Gos, but I wouldn't call them world beaters. If the Lions want to be able to make a big step forward, they're going to have to be able to run the ball more effectively then they have in the last two years. It'd be great to get Best out on the corner and see what he can do. The interior right now is a bigger need then the tackles. I wouldn't mind getting Pouncey if they traded down, and let him play RG. I'm wasn't overly impressed with him at C this year, but he might be able to make that transition. He was much better G playing next to his brother last year then at C this year.

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I think the big problem with both of our tackles is that they don't run block all that well. Backus is ok and so is Gos, but I wouldn't call them world beaters. If the Lions want to be able to make a big step forward, they're going to have to be able to run the ball more effectively then they have in the last two years. It'd be great to get Best out on the corner and see what he can do. The interior right now is a bigger need then the tackles. I wouldn't mind getting Pouncey if they traded down, and let him play RG. I'm wasn't overly impressed with him at C this year, but he might be able to make that transition. He was much better G playing next to his brother last year then at C this year.


This is exactly what I'm thinking too. As much as we like to rag on Backus he isn't as bad as we think he is. Most teams would welcome him with open arms. If there's no Jake Long or Joe Thomas kind of prospect here (and there isn't) then don't reach. I'd also like to see them trade down and take Pouncey later. Raiola needs to go just as much if not more then Backus, and apparently so does Peterman. The 3 scenarios I'd like to see happen are 1) trade UP for Akumura, 2) Trade back for Pouncey, 3) Trade back for Wilson.

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Truth or smokescreen? That is the question:
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Martin Mayhew open to it but isn't convinced Lions need help on offensive line

1:59 AM, Mar. 23, 2011 | BY DAVE BIRKETT
DETROIT FREE PRESS SPORTS WRITER

NEW ORLEANS -- Lions general manager Martin Mayhew posed the question unprompted as he and three reporters waited for lunch during a break at the NFL's annual meetings Tuesday: Any idea how many sacks the Lions allowed last season?

After ranking near the top of the league in most allowed the previous three years, the Lions surrendered 27 sacks in 2010, tied for sixth-fewest in the NFL.

If it seemed like more, that's what happens when three quarterbacks suffer five injuries (three separated shoulders, a broken finger and a broken forearm), and every pundit predicting the draft deems the offensive line a major area of need.

"I read one article, I said, 'This guy doesn't know what he's talking about,' " Mayhew said. "Then I read another one, and I thought, 'Wait a minute, they're all saying the same thing.'

"They're all saying that's an issue for us, that that's a problem for us. I think they make a connection between the injuries and the ability to protect the quarterback, when that may not be a correct assumption. ... Sometimes injuries just happen, and you just get a bunch of things at the same time."

Philosophically, Mayhew said the Lions always will be interested in adding an offensive lineman. He did not rule out taking one at pick No. 13 in the first round.

"Anytime you're not the best at something, you can improve," Mayhew said.

But while questions linger about Gosder Cherilus' health (he's coming off microfracture knee surgery) and Jeff Backus' future (he's 33 and entering the final year of his contract), fortifying the offensive front would benefit quarterback Matthew Stafford as much as anyone.

Stafford, the No. 1 overall pick in 2009, underwent surgery on his right shoulder in January and is rehabbing at the Andrews Institute in Pensacola, Fla. He has been limited to 13 starts in his first two seasons and played in three games last year, suffering two shoulder separations.

"I've heard a lot of people talk about young quarterbacks and the potential of missing off-season work and things like that and how it (will) set them back in development," coach Jim Schwartz said Tuesday. "I know enough about Matt to know that we're not really talking about that with him. We're talking about his health. We're not talking about (how) he needs to learn the offense or he needs to become a more accurate thrower or he needs to learn what defenses do or his work ethic needs to get better.

"He's not dealing with issues like that. He's dealing with just the availability of being on the field. And we have full confidence that he's going to get that behind him."

At Georgia's pro day Tuesday, Stafford said that's almost already the case. He told nfl.com his shoulder is recovering well and he plans to throw with Lions receivers as soon as he's healthy.

Schwartz said Stafford wasn't throwing as of the last medical update he received -- teams cannot have direct contact with players during the NFL lockout, but trainers can monitor injury rehabs from afar -- but he reiterated that he's confident the quarterback will make good on his massive potential.

"I think we've seen about everything we need to see from him," Schwartz said. "I think that it was a huge step, to go from rookie year to second year. And although he wasn't on the field enough last year, it wasn't as though he was a work-in-progress. I mean, the guy played about 120 snaps, which is equivalent of about two games. He threw six touchdown passes, one interception. Go do the math on that one. He left all three games with the lead. What do you say about that? You say he needs to stay on the field more.

"He needs to stay on the field more, and that's really where we're at."


http://www.freep.com/article/20110323/SPORTS01/103230393/1049/sports01/Martin-Mayhew-open-isn-t-convinced-Lions-need-help-offensive-line

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It could very well be a smokescreen, but there's also the Jimmy Smith positive talk coming from Mayhew, so maybe he's talking straight to us and he intends to pick Smith if the rest of his vetting process checks out.

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One thing I think we've all learned, is not to believe anything that's being said prior to the draft.


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One thing I think we've all learned, is not to believe anything that's being said prior to the draft.

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FWIW Dallas is rumored to be seeking a Tackle in the first round. They apparently aren't in love with Amukamara and do not plan to pick him at #9. In fact, they may trade down and grab their T further down in round 1. Should the Lions trade with them if Amukamara is sitting at #9? Rumor has it the Cowboys like Carimi; would 13 still be too high to take him? Would they be looking for more of a ransom for #9 then would be worthwhile?

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FWIW Dallas is rumored to be seeking a Tackle in the first round. They apparently aren't in love with Amukamara and do not plan to pick him at #9. In fact, they may trade down and grab their T further down in round 1. Should the Lions trade with them if Amukamara is sitting at #9? Rumor has it the Cowboys like Carimi; would 13 still be too high to take him? Would they be looking for more of a ransom for #9 then would be worthwhile?


First, should the Lions trade up for Amukamara? Were I Martin Mayhew, the answer would be yes....so long as Jerry Jones is going to be reasonable about it and not try to "get something back" for how he got fleeced on Roy Williams. I'd trade our fourth rounder and maybe a late pick next year...that'd be about it.

As for what Dallas would do, if they like Carimi then they'd be willing to reach because it's what they've done before. However, I think Dallas would look to move back again, probably into the early 20s and then take Carimi.

However, something tells me if Amukamara is there at #9, the Cowboys snap him up.

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